Dr. Manhattan vs. Juggernaut

I'm just kind of tired of Juggy being treated like he beats everyone all the time.  I really think there's got to be some kind of limit to his invulnerability.  Think Doc Manhattan can find it and bring him down, or can Juggernaut STILL win this?

No ring-outs, no prep time.

What's ironic is that I feel the same way about Manhattan. I honestly feel he is overrated. He's powerful but never done stuff to show he's at levels of people like Silver Surfer. He's never shown that he can destroy planets or stars and the scale of his matter manipulation powers have never shown to be at levels of other characters either.

Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.

This is overkill.

Basically it feels like anybody who can beat him is overkill, and anybody he can beat is also overkill, but in the opposite direction.

been done.

" Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.This is overkill. "

mannhattan wins by bfr....

 i think mannhattan is kinda overrated to

Juggs is protected mystically. It would be different if he just had extremely tough flesh that was near impossible to destroy, like admantium or something.

Dr. m could disintegrate that as easily as he does crime bosses. I think Cyttorack's protection keeps him alive here, but Juggs certainly couldnt do anything to put Dr. M down.

Manhattan wins, but not by death.

Hmmm, Doc for the win.

" @High Revolutionary said:

" Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.This is overkill. "

nope "

dr. manhattan for reasons already stated

Doc M all the way, Juggs is an over-rated joke, and totally deserves no wins ever, hell bugs bunny could beat the piece of shit.

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @High Revolutionary said:

" Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.This is overkill. "

nope "

Okay then.It's beyond overkill. "

They keep on fighting, neither of them really doing anything, until one of them gets bored and leaves. Or maybe Cytorrak chooses a new host or something, I don't know.

It's one of those endless battles.

Dr. Manhattan will win.

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @High Revolutionary said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @High Revolutionary said:

" Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.This is overkill. "

nope "

Okay then.It's beyond overkill. "

er, nope as is "he can't disintigrate[sic] him" "

Oh, how so?  He is made up of atoms and molecules isn't he? (I don't count that one time when Jugs recovered from being turned into a pile of bones, because that's not disintegration).Anyway, there is absolutely nothing Jugs can do to hurt Dr. M in a straight fight.  On the flip side, Jugs got handled and had his gem torn out by Onslaught. Dr. M could have done that to him easily as well.  And that would be if Dr. M is going easy on Jugs. "

Dr M wins by BFR

Not sure, I doubt Juggernaut can do anything here.....

The doctor destroys Juggs

nothing juggy can do to hurt dr.m

"Hulk-Prime thinks Juggernaut might win. "

dr manhattan makes juggernaut's heart weigh more than his whole body 

Draw. Juggernaut can't do anything to harm the good doctor, but neither can Manhattan if he can't bypass a magic power-source.

"Dr. M would disintigrate Jugs.This is overkill."

@zi721: agreed

@rabidrage said:

I'm just kind of tired of Juggy being treated like he beats everyone all the time. I really think there's got to be some kind of limit to his invulnerability. Think Doc Manhattan can find it and bring him down, or can Juggernaut STILL win this?No ring-outs, no prep time.

You just sealed Doc's fate when you ruled out "No Ring-Outs"....

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

Juggs is protected mystically. It would be different if he just had extremely tough flesh that was near impossible to destroy, like admantium or something.Dr. m could disintegrate that as easily as he does crime bosses. I think Cyttorack's protection keeps him alive here, but Juggs certainly couldnt do anything to put Dr. M down.Manhattan wins, but not by death.

No ring-outs....

And yes, Juggernaut certainly CAN do something to Manhattan.

@MOONKNIGHT-LANTERN: What can the juggernaut do to dr manhatten??? He is only overated if you havent read the book or if you havent seen the film...

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: How can Dr Manhatten be hurt by Juggernaut?? Enlighten me???

Full potential power Dr manhattan would be somewhere on Pre Retcon MOlecule Man Level of Power.He would destroy Cyttorak and Juggernaut Easy !

Doc can become intangible at any time,,,so I don't see juggs making a successful charge ,or any other physical attacks..but I'm having a hard time thinking of a way doc could win besides BFR...he can incapacitate juggs by encasing him in solid rock so he can't gain momentum

...didn't the juggernaut punch out reality or something?

I've never liked Watchmen. I'm not saying its bad or anything, it just isn't my kind of story.

By contrast, Juggernaut has long been one of my favorite characters. The fact that he had this nigh-unstoppable power and he used it mostly to rob banks and stuff always appealed to me.

That being said, I don't think Juggernaut can pull out a straight victory here. Like Superman, the Doc just has too wide a variety of powers to call on. Now, I'm not so sure he can outright kill a fully powered Juggernaut though. When he isn't being depowered for one stupid reason or another, Juggernaut more than lives up to his 'unstoppable' schtick.

But Manhattan could definitely get the TKO.

What is juggernaut going to do to manhattan? Punch him? really really hard? so what? Best case scenario, he knocks off Mr. M's head. What does that matter? He can occupy several bodies at once, reconstitute his body from complete destruction. Getting punched, even if it's a really hard punch, is meaninless to Dr. M.

There is nothing, with the potential exception of BFR, that Manhattan can do to Juggernaut. While Juggernaut might have some mystic mumbo jumbo depending on his iteration to pull from.

@Bo88gdan said:

Full potential power Dr manhattan would be somewhere on Pre Retcon MOlecule Man Level of Power.He would destroy Cyttorak and Juggernaut Easy !

He could not even stop a bunch of nukes and now he is on Molecule man level? I would love to see what feats are you basing this argument on.

This thread makes me so sad.

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: How can Dr Manhatten be hurt by Juggernaut?? Enlighten me???

Juggernaut is a magical being while Manhanttan isn't.

Manhattan has to follow the laws of physics which something Juggernaut isn't restricted to so Juggernaut doesn't have limits. When Juggernaut is serious, he is able to destroy space, matter, and time. All of which is what Manhattan depends on for both his power and his survival.

Let's take a look at Nightmare, whom grew as large as the inner Solar System and was able to grab 3 different Earths (Earth from the Past -- Earth from the Present -- Earth from the Future) And he crushed Earth with his bare hands. He later fought Juggernaut and lost.

Gallery

What about Stranger?

Stranger is more powerful than Galactus. And Galactus is arguably more powerful than Manhattan by a far. Guess what? Stranger fought Juggernaut.

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

What is juggernaut going to do to manhattan? Punch him? really really hard? so what? Best case scenario, he knocks off Mr. M's head. What does that matter? He can occupy several bodies at once, reconstitute his body from complete destruction. Getting punched, even if it's a really hard punch, is meaninless to Dr. M.

When he punches, it isn't just physical.

It warps space, matter, and time.

Juggernaut's punches (although it looks physical) is reality defying magic. He can "punch" entire realities out of existence.

• Juggernaut doesn't need a reality to still exist. (cited: Oblivion vs Juggernaut)
• Manhattan does.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Your scans just blew my mind, looks like you know your Cain Marko. If he's this powerful he could trash Dr. M not easily, he'd have to play his A-game like in the scans.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Juggernaut is matter so there for he dies like the rest.

Dr Manhatan, goes back in time or just simply removs the atmoicbonds of Juggy! In a punch-A-thon, maybe Juggy but the doc is prety much a GOD

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Juggernaut is matter so there for he dies like the rest.

Lol I see that argument everywhere when it comes to Dr. Manhattan. In that case, Manhattan should have no problem with the whole Marvel universe and beings like Spectre and Anti-Monitor... e.t.c.

Derp!

There is no Winner. Juggernaut is slower than a snail and Dr. M can likely fly or run by a factor of light speed no human can comprehend, I think Juggernauts power would protect him from harm. The fight can't be won by either side, but Juggernaut can easily be avoided. Teleport the ground he is standing on and he will go with it. Done.

@RudeBomberBoy01: Obvious really

Stalemate or Manhattan via BFR.