Dr. Manhattan versus Thanos and Darkseid

@Murder_2120 said:

@kcaz said:

@Murder_2120 said:

@Sherlock: He is not omnisceint because he has emotions. A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

oh will you stop comparing manhattan to a god? you said "Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him", yet he is unaware of his friend's death,or his ex-wife's cancer,or Veidt's plans.

you trying to contradict yourself?

I wasnt contradicting myself, I was explaining how our God is not as powerful as everyone thinks and cannot see the future. If he could see the future then he wouldnt have human reactions such as anger and he wouldnt need to kill thousands of babies because his first plague wasnt the right choice. He would have just killed the Pharaoh and anyone that stood in the Jews way since the innocent Egyptian people had nothing to do with it and suffered for no reason. So, How is Manhattans limited sight any different?

Not trying to banter here, I'm just cleaning up past arguments. I still agree that Manhattan is not a god in the comics only if he existed in our world.

i'm not talking about the future, lets talks about the present or the past.you saying god is all knowing, yet manhattan was clearly unaware of his friend's death,or his ex-wife's cancer,or Veidt's plans.

He is all knowing within his timeline. Except when tachyons are flooded through his timeline. Which makes perfect sense since they travel FTL and therefore are outside of time. Outside of those events he is said to be all knowing of what he will ever do.

@Murder_2120 said:

He is all knowing within his timeline. Except when tachyons are flooded through his timeline. Which makes perfect sense since they travel FTL and therefore are outside of time. Outside of those events he is said to be all knowing of what he will ever do.

come on. manhattan himself admits he could only see HIS OWN future, not others

I just said that. Didnt I just say that? Here: "He is all knowing within his timeline."- Murder_2120

A user on another Manhattan thread suggested he be banned from the battle forums. I could totally get behind that.

Ban Manhattan? Why?

@Murder_2120 said:

Ban Manhattan? Why?

if you want to reply to other people's statement, please click on the reply or quote button on the bottom right, or chances are they would not answer because they have exited the thread

@cooljammy18 said:

Manhattan wankers at it again. Thanos or Darkseid solo.

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@Murder_2120 said:

@kcaz said:

@Murder_2120 said:

@Sherlock: He is not omnisceint because he has emotions. A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

oh will you stop comparing manhattan to a god? you said "Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him", yet he is unaware of his friend's death,or his ex-wife's cancer,or Veidt's plans.

you trying to contradict yourself?

I wasnt contradicting myself, I was explaining how our God is not as powerful as everyone thinks and cannot see the future. If he could see the future then he wouldnt have human reactions such as anger and he wouldnt need to kill thousands of babies because his first plague wasnt the right choice. He would have just killed the Pharaoh and anyone that stood in the Jews way since the innocent Egyptian people had nothing to do with it and suffered for no reason. So, How is Manhattans limited sight any different?

Not trying to banter here, I'm just cleaning up past arguments. I still agree that Manhattan is not a god in the comics only if he existed in our world.

Why are you comparing comics to ancient texts also why do you say our God not saying I'm not chirstian but different people have different Gods also the God from the Bible spans across Judaism,Islamic and Chirstianity which all feature the same God or being at least(Though I could be wrong about that)

What does religion have to do with this battle?

I suppose I deserve reading this inane tripe for clicking on the link.

@Murder_2120 said:

Ban Manhattan? Why?

I would doubt that the character would actually get banned, but probably because there is just too little feat/fact wise to actually use for a proper debate, and far too much is really and truly unknown about the character.

Manhattan is far more powerful, even if Thanos had the IG,Manhattan is basically God

darkseid solos

A better fight would be who gets to make Dr. Manhattan their slave.

I hate Dr. Manhattan threads.

Super duper uber mega stomp for Thanos and Darkseid.

@blackadamFTW said:

I hate Dr. Manhattan threads.

Super duper uber mega stomp for Thanos and Darkseid.

I LOVE THEM COS MANHATTAN STOMPS

@troller: I'm beginning to have a deep, deep hatred for you.

@blackadamFTW: Would you like to talk about it....?

@troller: I'm good.

@blackadamFTW: I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS!!!!

*sobs*

@troller: I really don't know what would make you think that...

@blackadamFTW: That night of passion we shared on the night that you asked me to the prom.

Oh Jesus, Mama was right, I should never have fell for your rugged handsomeness and fine talk

Until we see the upper Levels of Dr Manhattan power we can only consider him as a herald Level.

@troller: I loath you with a passion.

@blackadamFTW: Maybe if we redirect that passion, together we can solve your impotence....

lol @ giving Thanos prep and anyone thinking he'd lose

@troller: I'm good.

@blackadamFTW: I must disagree, like when you couldn't do it last night, just talk to me baby

@troller said:

@blackadamFTW: I must disagree, like when you couldn't do it last night, just talk to me baby

Jesus, you are the best troll I've ever seen.

I hate you, so, so much.

@blackadamFTW: Thats right, get mad, then finally the G-Systems may actually function for once

@RyuHayabusa said:

@Murder_2120 said:

Manhattan. He is omnipotent level. I'm not sure Thanos and DS could win even with the infinity gauntlet.

Flagged for stupidity.

i just died@this comment

@RyuHayabusa said:

@Murder_2120 said:

Manhattan. He is omnipotent level. I'm not sure Thanos and DS could win even with the infinity gauntlet.

Flagged for stupidity.

i just died@this comment

@Shadowglenn said:

@Murder_2120: Manhattan is shown to be a low level reality warper. That is all, not a god or anything more. You can't just speculate that he will become leader of the universe because he looked pretty powerful. This is a fight and from what we have seen Manhattan isn't silver surfer level. It can't be any clearer that Darkseid or Thanos could solo based on feats and with prep it's overkill. Also comparing him to christian gods and religion means nothing, again this is comics and it's not equal.

he's not even a reality warper, he's just the only matter manipulator in the Watchmen universe

Can someone call in Vance, Gambler, Static or Morpheus to lock this crap

@Nefarious said:

What does religion have to do with this battle?

lol

@JediXMan said:

Darkseid stomps. I don't know whether Thanos' abilities can touch an intangible Manhattan, but I'm pretty sure they can.

He was killing people that couldn't even die in Imperative, so why he can't kill Manhattan would be a mystery, given his connection to Death as her avatar.