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Mongul takes it handily in round 1.

I believe most of the Infinity gems are above power rings for the second round though.

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@elderskaar:

Nope. Most agree Doom stomps Supes.

Dr. Dooms magic is number 2 only to Dr.Strange himself.

Maybe an even fight if Dr.Doom(no gem)vs Mongol with (all rings) and random encounter.

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@darkraiden said:

Doom both rounds with ease

He is not easily beating someone who outmuscles Superman and laughs at his hits.

He is. Superman is also nothing to Doom.

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@elderskaar:

Nope. Most agree Doom stomps Supes.

Dr. Dooms magic is number 2 only to Dr.Strange himself.

Maybe an even fight if Dr.Doom(no gem)vs Mongol with (all rings).

You got proof on that you said that he is 2nd most powerful sorcerer? It's pretty funny because Fantastic four who are not justice league level have actually taken down Doom before without prep time.

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@darkraiden: So Doom fights at light speed and punch with planetary strength? no, exactly.

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@elderskaar:

If don't realize just how badly the FF would utterly destroy JLA then I don't know what to tell you.

I need to prove a well known fact about Dr.Dooms magic ?

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Superman would beat Doom if none of them would have prep.

Mongul takes the first fight but lose the second one.

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@elderskaar:

If don't realize just how badly the FF would utterly destroy JLA then I don't know what to tell you.

I need to prove a well known fact about Dr.Dooms magic ?

So Doom can do transmutation, mind control like Scarlet witch can do? I doubt doom's magic is above SW because he doesnt have more showings but energy projection.

If u think F4 who got The Thing, a 100 toner who got hurted by Captain america, human torch who can die by getting drowned in the sea and couldnt even hurt the hulk, Mr fantastic who can make his body elastic and invisible woman who can use force fields who cant even hold powerhouses can beat a team of planet busters you are stupid

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Jeeez..some marvel fanboys are posting nonsense once again...lol...Mongul takes round one and loses against Doom with the infinity gem even with the rings..its that simple...remember its Doom in a random encounter...not doom with prep...

P.S. to point out some wrong opinions that are mentioned in this thread...

1. Superman > Doom 1v1 in a random encounter...he gets speedblitzed...lol

2. Thanos with Prep > Doom with Prep....Doom has like 2 instances where his feats compare to Thanos (meaning the recent secret wars feat and the old one)...whereas Thanos on the other hand has been a cosmic threat maaaaany more times than Doom....

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@elderskaar:

This is why you need to actually take some time and read up on these characters. So you'll understand what your talking about a little bit better.

On his worst day Dr.Doom can do all of what you just mentioned and far far more.

As for the FF. Galactus is about the standard level of villain that they normally face.

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@elderskaar:

This is why you need to actually take some time and read up on these characters. So you'll understand what your talking about a little bit better.

On his worst day Dr.Doom can do all of what you just mentioned and far far more.

As for the FF. Galactus is about the standard level of villain that they normally face.

... Can you let go of the damn prep thing you keep mentioning, the only time FF have a chance against Galactus is when Reed made his anti galan armor which he haven't used in like forever.

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@mxyzptlk_cv: I agree, people seem to be denying that prep is not allowed in this battle

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@elderskaar:

I realize not everyone is on my level mentally. So I'll break this down even further.

I said FF normally face Galactus level characters.That was in response to your statement that about them not standing a chance against the JLA. I was simply saying FF would win( because it sounded like you were implying even with prep FF can't win).

Galactus is originally an FF villain.

Reed has beaten Galactus on multiple occasions.

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God Doom stomps ! :)

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@darkraiden: So Doom fights at light speed and punch with planetary strength? no, exactly.

No but he beats people who do. Like Hulk and Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer.

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#66  Edited By Crypto_Jones

I feel the good doctor's feats don't speak for his being to stomp Mongul without Prep. It's contextual, I think.

Yes, Doom's force fields and armor are pretty sophisticated and powerful, but I believe his resilience to peak at surviving an energy blast from Thanos, which still messed him up. His armor also was dented by a headbutt from the Hulk. That being said, I am not sure he would withstand the assault of a Superman-class character with no prep time. Although, he has at his disposal his time cube and energy draining device which are integrated in his armor. Those would be game changers in this particular fight because, obviously, Doom cannot go hand to hand against Mongul with his traditional weaponry ( blasters, Electric gauntlet, super strength). I believe it all comes down to attitude towards the fight. I personally believe that Doom will underestimate Mongul and take too long before using his special weapons, allowing Mongul to get too close and knock him out. It could go both ways but I'll give 6/10 to Mongul for round one based on basic power level and Doom's arrogance.

The Infinity gems are way more powerful than the power rings and I believe they will give Doom victory 10/10 on the second round.

I would like to say that I have minimal knowledge on pre-52 Mongul. I'd like to be corrected if what I said is fallacious. I read that Mongul is also quite arrogant... And while I have seen some of his feats, maybe some relevant information has eluded me...

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@crypto_jones:

Dr Doom would cast a powerful spell and turn him into a slug. Or dimension dump him into Mephistos realm.

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@crypto_jones:

Dr Doom would cast a powerful spell and turn him into a slug. Or dimension dump him into Mephistos realm.

Fairly certain magic in the marvel universe doesn't work that way as far as transformations go. If so, I'd like some scans to prove that Dr Doom or even Strange can transfigure someone into an animal. But yeah, Doom could easily BFR Mongul in another time or space... I would just like to avoid resorting to BFR for the sake of the fight.

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@crypto_jones:

Doesn't work that way in the Marvel universe? Where are you getting your info.

Ovcourse magic works that way in Marvel Universe. It's called REALITY WARPING.

Marvels magical characters can perform the greatest (reality warping) feats you can imagine using magic.

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@elderskaar:

I realize not everyone is on my level mentally. So I'll break this down even further.

I said FF normally face Galactus level characters.That was in response to your statement that about them not standing a chance against the JLA. I was simply saying FF would win( because it sounded like you were implying even with prep FF can't win).

Galactus is originally an FF villain.

Reed has beaten Galactus on multiple occasions.

And never has it been without prep time. And how would you think he can transmute someone as powerful as Mongul? If so he would have used it on Hulk, Thor, Reed but he hasn't

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@elderskaar:

Why Doom doesn't transmute Hulk,Thor or Reed.

Doom has transmuted Reed.

Doom doesn't need to transmute the Hulk. The Hulk is not a threat.

Thor is a magical god. Transmutation is obviously not going to work on him.

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@elderskaar:

Why Doom doesn't transmute Hulk,Thor or Reed.

Doom has transmuted Reed.

Issue? scan?

Doom doesn't need to transmute the Hulk. The Hulk is not a threat.

Doesn't matter, Hulk destroyed parts of Doom's castle, pretty sure he would transmute him if he could

Thor is a magical god. Transmutation is obviously not going to work.

yet he is not that powerful as his title is.

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#75  Edited By VenomousTaco

Round 1: Mongul wins fairly easily.

Round 2: It depends on which gem Doom has acquired, but for the most part Doom would win.

Doctor Doom is still the best tho...

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#77  Edited By ancient_god

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@elderskaar:

Wtf are talking about....

Doom absolutely curbstomped the Hulk. You already provided the scan.

Thor is immensely powerful!! He has a long list of feats proving it.

I can't provide scans from a cellphone. Doom has to many feats using magic. Even Reed Richards during Dooms body swap was using Dooms magic to perform all sorts of insane feats. Doom has mastered the magical knowledge from the Atlantian library.

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@jagernutt: Thor is not more powerful than Superman, that has been proved many times. Like when Superman shakes entire planets when not even punching directly at it, flying through moons unscratched, surviving a supernova just knocking him out, taking on DArkseid multiple occasions.

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#81  Edited By rickythanos

Doom has made a long career out of humiliating beings who are vastly more powerful than he.

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@elderskaar:

I didn't. I reposted it due to typing errors. I'm on a cellphone.

At work.

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@elderskaar:

Superman?!?!

What's Superman have to do with this.

If for some reason it does actually matter here. I'm certain that Thor is more powerful than Superman because of magic.

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Mongul still crushes both rounds with ease.

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@sirneko said:

Mongul still crushes both rounds with ease.

Mongul has absolutely no chance in round 2.

Yes, he probably does crush Doom in round 1 though.

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@elderskaar:

Superman?!?!

What's Superman have to do with this.

If for some reason it does actually matter here. I'm certain that Thor is more powerful than Superman because of magic.

Mongul have 80% of the time kicked supermans arse and u took doom beating thor as an sample. I did the same

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@mxyzptlk_cv: SS > Superman Doom regularly beats the Surfer with ease. He would beat Superman the same way.

Doom > Thanos besides the Gauntlet he hasnt done to much to compare to Doom. Beating Galactus and & the Beyonder > Anything Thanos has done

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@elderskaar:

Hmmm.

Most of the Superman vs Mongul threads seems to indicate just the opposite.

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Pretty sure that's Cosmic Hulk in your scans.

1) Mongul

2) Doom

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Thanos is not better with prep than Doom.

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#93  Edited By traskindustries

@kgb725 said:

Beating Galactus and & the Beyonder > Anything Thanos has done

HOTU Thanos takes the cake, though. And he didnt exactly beat the Beyonder.

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Doom is very close to her in terms of sorcery. In AVX Axis, it was Doom and Wanda using equal power to overcome the Red Onslaught. One wasnt able to do it without the other. I cant find the scan, but its out there.

@jagernutt said:

So Doom can do transmutation, mind control like Scarlet witch can do? I doubt doom's magic is above SW because he doesnt have more showings but energy projection.

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@kgb725 said:

Beating Galactus and & the Beyonder > Anything Thanos has done

HOTU Thanos takes the cake, though. And he didnt exactly beat the Beyonder.

Yeah I dont recall Doom ever beating Galan, and definitely not the Beyonder. He stole beyonder's power during secret wars, after beyonder stripped him of his flesh if I remember correctly. Thanos has actually taken it to Galan (while he was weakened). I would say that neither Thanos or Doom can take on the Beyonder (pre ret or today's either) and live through it without some PIS.

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@traskindustries said:
@kgb725 said:

Beating Galactus and & the Beyonder > Anything Thanos has done

HOTU Thanos takes the cake, though. And he didnt exactly beat the Beyonder.

Yeah I dont recall Doom ever beating Galan, and definitely not the Beyonder. He stole beyonder's power during secret wars, after beyonder stripped him of his flesh if I remember correctly. Thanos has actually taken it to Galan (while he was weakened). I would say that neither Thanos or Doom can take on the Beyonder (pre ret or today's either) and live through it without some PIS.

And I'd argue it was only a part of his powers.

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@toptiergoat:

Dooms magical prowess is second only to Dr Strange.

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@traskindustries:

Although I firmly believe Doom prep and Thanos prep roughly equal based on feats.

Doom has beaten Galactus on at least two separate occasions. Doom stole and used Galactus power to defeat the Beyonder in the original Secret Wars. Doom took virtually all of the Beyonders power as stated by the Beyonder himself during Secret Wars part2.

I'm not as familiar with the other time Doom defeated Galactus. But I have briefly seen the scans.

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#99  Edited By TheCrewcabanger

Mongul round one with relative ease.

Any of the 5 gems gives Doom an upper hand that Mongul can't compete with.

IMO I think both rounds are mismatches.

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