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#101 Edited by comic_book_fan (5942 posts) - - Show Bio

@zmasonite:

but he still managed to get the drop on and steal the power of a high skyfather level being. and did you read the issue 407 feat of him crafting the same device in less time to use on hyperstorm.

#102 Posted by Zmasonite (1004 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: ? Doom said in 374 that it was pointless to conceal his plans because the watcher had been monitoring mankind for countless millennia? Idk if he got the drop on him but he did apparently obtain his power and that's cool and all but how long did it take him to prepare for that? And as powerful as the watchers are it doesn't make much sense that he should have been able to. Either way, I'm not writing it off or anything I just wanna see what happened and how long it took him

#103 Posted by comic_book_fan (5942 posts) - - Show Bio

@zmasonite:

and it might have helped that aron had just beat a puppet master controlled molecularman

#104 Posted by Zmasonite (1004 posts) - - Show Bio
#105 Posted by comic_book_fan (5942 posts) - - Show Bio
#106 Edited by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

Just noticed, Doom has next to no resources(due to having been transported to the DCU) so his prep. is extremely limited, and his magic is next to useless.

#107 Posted by Lexj7 (135 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom kills all of them at the same time.

#108 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (7039 posts) - - Show Bio

@lexj7 said:

Doom kills all of them at the same time.

#109 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom clears it.

#110 Posted by 14NC3 (1794 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at round 9

#111 Edited by TheAmazingImmortalMan (3863 posts) - - Show Bio

Just noticed, Doom has next to no resources(due to having been transported to the DCU) so his prep. is extremely limited, and his magic is next to useless.

Why would his magic be next to useless?

#112 Posted by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingimmortalman: Because just like Dr. Strange, the majority of Dr. Doom's magic, is done by calling on the power of other entities(cyttorak, the vishanti, etc. etc. etc.), none of which exist in the DC universe. Thus, Dr. Doom is left with his own personal storage of magical energy, and only those spells that don't call on the power of other entities.

#113 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom's armor:

Doom could steal Superman's body?

Doom could go and watch Dr.Fate or Shazam or something and steal their knowledge?

Extermis couldn't hack into his armor.

His armor has a time machine built into it.

Doom's armor has an outcoating layer thing of 500,000 megavolts, lightning has 100 megavolts, btw.

His armor, without the forcefield, survived an atomic grenade.

His forcefields withstand the Beyonder.

Doom's forcefields survive the IG.

His armor has a molecular expander and a shield nullifier.

Doom's armor allows him to teleport.

Doom's sorcery:

Doom is taught to summon Mindless Ones, so he could build an army..

Doom can sense sorcery.

Doom has studied black magic for years.

Even Strange says that Doom knows things he doesn't.


I don't know how this fight goes down at like 9-10ish, but Doom definitely gets there.

#114 Edited by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@captaindoeo: Nice scans.

The problem though, is that despite your scans for the capabilities of his armor, those are singular instances. There are other instances where his armor didn't have those capabilities(despite the fact that they would have been useful for him). He has been under physical attacks, for example, several times without the opponents getting electrocuted, and there are tons of instances where a time machine would have served his purpose, but wasn't used.

#115 Edited by hulk_post_absolute_power (291 posts) - - Show Bio

DR.DOOM clears with some trouble in certain rounds. His fight against lex is a curb stomp. 7/10 times doom clears

#116 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirmethos: Thank you!

But given that everything in Doom's armor functions with microcomputers, and he uses them continuously.

Well, I'll have to dig it up but there some scan of Doom saying that he refuses to resort to time travel to defeat the Fantastic Four. And the electricity thing is more of a field he activates. I have a prior use of it too, back when it was only a 100,000 megavolts, which logical should vaporize anyone.

Doom's biggest weakness is his arrogance, while he could beat Superman by using thought inhibiting rays, attaching the World Ender to him, and absorbing the solar energy off of him, which he totally could, he won't. He'll update his armor, and try and fight Superman. He'll put up a helluva fight, but still loses 7/10 in my opinion, in that scenario.

Alright, scan 1,Doom has this crazy thought inhibitor, that can make you not be able to make direct contact with someone.

Doom has the World Ender, it ends worlds.

Time displacer, it freezes time.

Time shift bomb, it send someone 2 second back in time.

Transmution globe, turning you into chrome.

#117 Posted by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@captaindoeo:

"Doom's biggest weakness is his arrogance, while he could beat Superman by using thought inhibiting rays, attaching the World Ender to him, and absorbing the solar energy off of him, which he totally could, he won't. He'll update his armor, and try and fight Superman. He'll put up a helluva fight, but still loses 7/10 in my opinion, in that scenario."

You seem to be forgetting(or ignoring) that he won't be fighting regular Superman. He'll be fighting a Superman that is bloodlusted, with no morals, and a 30 min sundip.

This is a Superman that won't be holding back, but using all of his considerable power to turn Doom into a fine red mist.

Doom is badass, but not even the finest piece of technology in his armor, will make him capable of reacting to something that comes at him, at several times the speed of light.

If Doom actually makes it to that fight, once the fight actually starts, he won't even have time to realize that he is in the process of being pummeled, until Superman has already hit him with a few million punches, at which point his high-tech armor is little more than scrap metal, and Doom is a nasty red spot on the pavement.

If he had access to all of his resources, and the capability to use his magic at full power(not to mention the capability of using magic at all), he might have a chance. But as the scenario is, a snowball would have better odds of surviving a flight through the core of the sun, than Doom has of surviving the fight.

#118 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (3863 posts) - - Show Bio

@captaindoeo: nice scans bro!!! definitely provides plenty of arguments for Doom lol

@theamazingimmortalman: Because just like Dr. Strange, the majority of Dr. Doom's magic, is done by calling on the power of other entities(cyttorak, the vishanti, etc. etc. etc.), none of which exist in the DC universe. Thus, Dr. Doom is left with his own personal storage of magical energy, and only those spells that don't call on the power of other entities.

yeah forgot about that, for this scenario let's just pretend his magic is working just fine....

#119 Posted by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingimmortalman:

That changes the game :)

Doom with the help of various entities above Skyfather level, is more than capable of clearing most of the Gauntlet.

He still gets killed in round 6, and if he by some stroke of luck and good fortune, manages to get past that one, he still gets slaughtered in round 10.

#120 Posted by Dextersinister (6511 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses badly in round 2 considering the DC US army has Wraith and weapons designed by Luthor including Black hole laser cannons.

Where's this sh*t when their fighting the villains?

#121 Edited by TheAmazingImmortalMan (3863 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

Loses badly in round 2 considering the DC US army has Wraith and weapons designed by Luthor including Black hole laser cannons.

Where's this sh*t when their fighting the villains?

waiting for Doctor Doom!

@theamazingimmortalman:

That changes the game :)

Doom with the help of various entities above Skyfather level, is more than capable of clearing most of the Gauntlet.

He still gets killed in round 6, and if he by some stroke of luck and good fortune, manages to get past that one, he still gets slaughtered in round 10.

thanks for the input.

#122 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirmethos: I think we agree that he loses to Superman, but I think his shields can hold for a bit.

#123 Edited by SirMethos (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@captaindoeo: I guess that depends on how you define "a bit"

You'll be hard pressed to find a person who can't produce more force in a punch, than what they can lift, a round average is about double that of the lifting strength.

Let's just put a round figure, and say Superman's strength is 10 million tons(i know, it's extremely low, but it's a nice round figure to calculate with, and it's easily usable for the example). In the first second or so(probably less), Doom is hit with, let's be generous to him, a million punches, each with a force of 20 million tons.

Now, you increase those 20 million tons, to account for Superman's actual power/strength(keep in mind the 30 minute sun-dip). And further increase it to account for the punches coming at around the speed of light, if not FTL.

Chances are that his(doom's) shields have failed, before he has even realized that he's being hit.