Dr. Doom vs. Darth Sidious

"Can Sidious go back in time? I dont think so. Even though Star Wars tech is supposed to be 1000s of years more advanced Doom has still invented stuff that they can only dream of.

Like I said already Doom has defeated opponents far superior in power and intellect to Sidious...Get real dude....

And since you mentioned how he hid his true identity from powerful force users that is just bad storytelling....within 5 minutes of watching a movie 12 year old kids could tell the guy was a rotten apple....and no one noticed...the Jedi couldnt tell....give me a break...poor writing"

"Zenma said:

"how bout when sidious  uses his light saber?"

Sidious can not generate forces necessary in his light saber to destroy small moons, Doom's force field has been hit by things that powerful in the past and it did nothing.

Also, saying Sidious has the magic from 1,000's of worlds is not right either.  He understands the Force and forced based ritual magic (to some extent) - Doom plays with spells and forces that dwarf anything that Sidious has done.

Sidious, did not conquer the Galaxy, he conquered the Government - there is a difference.  And even then was opposed by the rebellion.  The only reason Doom has not succeded in doing the same is that he has been challenged by stronger, multiple points of resistance."

Hitler did all these things on a lower level....doesnt mean he could beat Doom or that he is more intelligent than Doom....all that is persuasiveness and the ability to fool people....niether will help him here in this battle.


"What would Doom's shield do to protect him against a force storm, that has the ability to reduce entire starfleet to dust, or tear entire sufaces off of worlds?".....Easy it would protect him....he has taken blasts from Galactus the devourer of worlds.

Thirdly if it was so easy for Sidious to make a force storm then why wouldnt he just do it all the time? He never would have lost if he just force stormed it up all the time.

"*first post yeah!*

Sidious is the absolute height of Jedi power and strength. Although Von Doom is powerful and has done some crazy stuff, there's nothing stopping Sidious from lining him up with the death star and.... BOOM. And if its 1v1, Sidious can use his extremely powerful persuasiveness to make Von Doom put on a dress and literally walk out into space.

anyone remember this? lol

  

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if they both have prep time lets say a decade, who'll win?

"if they both have prep time lets say a decade, who'll win?"

sidious did manage to create a galactic empire about more than a decade

"sidious did manage to create a galactic empire about more than a decade"

Doom has tricked Mephisto……Stole the Beyonder’s powers….defeated Dormammu, and his entire legion of demons…..Defeated Onslaught….and has whooped up on Sentry the single most powerful Superhero in the MU according to SHIELD’s ranking system….just to name a couple things

The guy was dropped in a strange foreign world naked, with nothing and was running the whole place in no time.

Sidious's ability to trick people into doing his bidding isnt going to help here....that is why he made an Empire....he tricked them inot creating an army....tricked them into giving him power over the Galactic government....it was already there he didnt build it form scratch....he just fooled the people into thinking they needed to give him supreme power over the governemnt.....much like Hitler in the 1930s...then he took the power and ran with it becoming a tyrant.

Honestly, I can't understand why Sidious wouldn't just crush Doom's head.

?....How do you propose he does that?

With the Force?

First of all Sidious cannot just go around crushing peoples head with the force.....otherwise he would do it all the time...when Vader went to throw him inot the reactor saft he coould have just force crushed his brain....

Secondly it would take a ridiculous if not impossible amount of force power to crush Doom's forcefield and armor.

"First of all Sidious cannot just go around crushing peoples head with the force.....otherwise he would do it all the time...when Vader went to throw him inot the reactor saft he coould have just force crushed his brain....

Secondly it would take a ridiculous if not impossible amount of force power to crush Doom's forcefield and armor."

Everyone has a weakness even Doom. Sidious has the ability to sense weakness's in other's no matter how  powerful they were. Like Anakin's weakness was his impatience and his desire to keep Padme alive, and Sidious exploited it.

"Everyone has a weakness even Doom. Sidious has the ability to sense weakness's in other's no matter how  powerful they were. Like Anakin's weakness was his impatience and his desire to keep Padme alive, and Sidious exploited it."

"First of all Sidious cannot just go around crushing peoples head with the force.....otherwise he would do it all the time...when Vader went to throw him inot the reactor saft he coould have just force crushed his brain....

Secondly it would take a ridiculous if not impossible amount of force power to crush Doom's forcefield and armor."

"Everyone has a weakness even Doom. Sidious has the ability to sense weakness's in other's no matter how  powerful they were. Like Anakin's weakness was his impatience and his desire to keep Padme alive, and Sidious exploited it."

Besides I will make this really easy for everyone...

Doom goes back in time and kills Sidious as a child....there game over!

Not before his head get crushed.

"Lunacyde said:

"First of all Sidious cannot just go around crushing peoples head with the force.....otherwise he would do it all the time...when Vader went to throw him inot the reactor saft he coould have just force crushed his brain....

Secondly it would take a ridiculous if not impossible amount of force power to crush Doom's forcefield and armor."

The Star Wars Universe is not very violent, heads exploding everywhere would go against their fiber. Also, the Star Wars universe needs a story, how anti-climactic would the ending be if Sidious just popped their heads? 

Also, the force "surrounds and penetrates all living beings" Sidious doesn't need to get past armor or force fields, as long as Doom's skull isn't reinforced enough so that the Emperor can't crush it, he will be able to crush it. Even if he did need to get past the force fields and armor, the man destroyed an entire star fleet, one man's personal force field and armor shouldn't pose much of an obstacle at all.

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That's because they were the Yuuzhan Vong, Dr. Doom is human. The Force has never been shown to have to go "through" anything. 

"Super-Buster said:

"Lunacyde said:

"First of all Sidious cannot just go around crushing peoples head with the force.....otherwise he would do it all the time...when Vader went to throw him inot the reactor saft he coould have just force crushed his brain....

Secondly it would take a ridiculous if not impossible amount of force power to crush Doom's forcefield and armor."

The Star Wars Universe is not very violent, heads exploding everywhere would go against their fiber. Also, the Star Wars universe needs a story, how anti-climactic would the ending be if Sidious just popped their heads? 

Also, the force "surrounds and penetrates all living beings" Sidious doesn't need to get past armor or force fields, as long as Doom's skull isn't reinforced enough so that the Emperor can't crush it, he will be able to crush it. Even if he did need to get past the force fields and armor, the man destroyed an entire star fleet, one man's personal force field and armor shouldn't pose much of an obstacle at all.

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The whole surrounds and penetrates all living things was proven wrong with the Yuuhzan Vong......and Dooms force field....as I stated earlier has taken blasts from Galactus devourer of worlds....not to mention others"

I suppose it would depend on where they were fighting if the Force would even work at all. If we have the battle in the SWU to make sure the battle is even then the Force will at least surround Doom, that's enough to use it to crush his head.

"That's because they were the Yuuzhan Vong, Dr. Doom is human. The Force has never been shown to have to go "through" anything. 

The Galactus thing I'm finding hard to believe, when was this? Also, is the force field always on? Doesn't Doom have to bring it down to attack?

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I can't find the comic right now but...............



In Wizard's Dark Book '98, published January, 1998,

"That's because they were the Yuuzhan Vong, Dr. Doom is human. The Force has never been shown to have to go "through" anything. 

The Galactus thing I'm finding hard to believe, when was this? Also, is the force field always on? Doesn't Doom have to bring it down to attack?

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I can't find the comic right now but...............



In Wizard's Dark Book '98, published January, 1998,

"After coming up with a plan to obtain the ultimate power, Doom hooked up with Klaw, the master of sound, dissected him and used his (solid sound) body parts as energy lenses to absorb Galactus' powers.  His plan worked, and Doom gained massive cosmic power.  Next stop: the Beyonder!  The two traded "blows" in an insane battle that shook the world.  After having his leg torn clean off, Doom appeared before all the heroes in an astral projection, asking for any help he could get.  But Earth's heroes ain't that dumb.  So, without assistance, Doom continued fighting the Beyonder, even after losing an arm.  He was being beaten, terribly.  At one point, the curious Beyonder actually began dissecting half of Doom's body.  In intense pain and on death's door, Doom stubbornly held on to life.  Shutting out the pain, he used his knowledge and the power of Galactus to defeat the Beyonder and gain the fallen being's powers.  Finally Doom had achieved godhood.  With his ever thought made reality, Doom's grandest dreams had finally been achieved."

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"DOMINIS said:

"Everyone has a weakness even Doom. Sidious has the ability to sense weakness's in other's no matter how  powerful they were. Like Anakin's weakness was his impatience and his desire to keep Padme alive, and Sidious exploited it."

Yet, what makes you think Doom can't figure out Sedious's weakness? His intellect is far above Sedious that he even Mephisto applauded for. "

Im sorry.....Doom has the entire existence of knowledge.....but don't worry about it.

"DOMINIS said:

"Everyone has a weakness even Doom. Sidious has the ability to sense weakness's in other's no matter how  powerful they were. Like Anakin's weakness was his impatience and his desire to keep Padme alive, and Sidious exploited it."

Like I and a lot of other people have said, Doom has beat the devil at his own game...

Sidious may have been a major threat to his Galaxy.....but Doom has been stated as a threat the entire Universe before."

"Besides I will make this really easy for everyone...

Doom goes back in time and kills Sidious as a child....there game over!"

"Super-Buster said:

"That's because they were the Yuuzhan Vong, Dr. Doom is human. The Force has never been shown to have to go "through" anything. 

The Galactus thing I'm finding hard to believe, when was this? Also, is the force field always on? Doesn't Doom have to bring it down to attack?

"

  Actually Yoda specifically stated that the force flows through you.  In the books it was also stated that it flows through all living things in the Galaxy."

It's already stated that the force doesnt exist out of the Star Wars Galaxy so thats impossible

So what? We're just assuming that this fight doesn't take place in the SWU? Just take away most of Sidious's powers and call it even?

"So what? We're just assuming that this fight doesn't take place in the SWU? Just take away most of Sidious's powers and call it even?"

Sidious was the most powerful sith lord. There are a dozen of canon sources that say he was.


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Ummm none of those say Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord?

Does Dooms match this kind of power?

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The sources that say Sidious was the most powerful sith was Star Wars: Death Star page 76 i believe, The New Essential Guite to Chronology page84, The Dark side source book, Dark Empire source book.

Doom has beaten Sentry......Sentry is the man with the power of one million exploding suns

Sidious's tekenetic abilities:http://i35.tinypic.com/15z1hmq.jpg

Sidious lightning:http://i34.tinypic.com/15wgy75.jpg

"Doom has beaten Sentry......Sentry is the man with the power of one million exploding suns"

Now we’ll look at some of the miscellaneous devices he’s created over the years. Some are hand held and some are built into his armor, but ALL of them are impressive…

Transmutes Storm…
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Apparently he’s built some kind of transmutation tech into his armor now, as shown when he completely undoes the destructive work of the Silver Surfer…
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Recreates Ovoid Teleporter…
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Has Molecular Displacer to teleport others…
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Creates a jetpack which EASILY outruns the Human Torch(this is before Doom built flying thrusters into his armored boots)…
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Uses bulletproof compound to protect a wooden wagon from a tank…
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A collar that chokes out Blastaar…
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Electro-neumonic scrambler shuts down the electronic brains of many robots…
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Containment units for the FF…
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Freezes Mr. Fantasic(who had Doom all wrapped up)…
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Also has a freeze grenade…
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Hypnotism Impulser and Sensitizer…
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Inhibitor Ray that prevents others from attacking…
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Intensified Molecules who’s size and strength increase to that of boulders…
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Mental Dampeners halt Franklins astrial projection…
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Mind control equipment built into mask…
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Neural Disruptor takes down Colossus…
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Messes up Nightcrawler’s teleportation…
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Nullifies Scarlet Witch’s hex powers…
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Paralysis gun…
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Absorbs power of Aron the Watcher…
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Power Compressor to bind Thing…
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Timeshift bomb throws FF 2 seconds into the past…
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Armor capable of generating a 500,000 megavolt blast…
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MENTAL hologram takes Phoenix out of the fight…
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Creates device to duplicate Surfer’s Power Cosmic…
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My though : Sidious try to ensnare Doom in his web of lie and deception, but this don't work, 'cause doom doesn't care to be loved, hated or whatever, and his ego rule supremes in his mind. Maybe the sith can push him to die in some stupid fight like the ordre of the Jedi BUT Doom will survive, as he always does. (He has cheated the death once, remember ?)

Then Doom assume, if he has not also done that ('Cause  he's not stupid) that someone manipulate him. Sidious, oblivious to Doom, won't see him coming in a flash of teleportation aboard his deathstar, but maybe, I say just maybe, the force will permit to Sidious to survive the counterattack. Then, Sidious draw his lightsaber and strike fast and hard, but Doom is not a sissy, so he can handle this attack. Enter the telekineticks, and Doom defend himself with his personnal force field, whom power has deflected the Fire of inferno in hell. (If you don't believe me, just read the one where Doctor Doom and Doc Strange attempt to liberate the soul of vic Mother.)

  At this point, Sidious is really in trouble, cause that's no way his lightning power can really  hurt Doom, and this one will just bring in his magick power, or his technological enginneerd, and kill Sidious ignominously.

  End of the game ! 

Sidious can strike lightyears away. Meaning Sidious does not exactly have to be in the exact location as Doom is. He would only need to know where Doom was. Sidious became so powerful with the dark side that he was no longer defined by his physical form. Sidious was a nexus of pure dark side energy. It was nearly impossible to kill him, because he can just come back. Sidious only needs a strong body as a host for his life force, and Dooms body may make a great host. The darkest dark side ability was entering someones body and smothering out the spirit that dwells within, in which Sidious was capable of doing. It took the combined forces of every single jedi that has died before Sidious to keep him trapped in the netherworld of the force.

Sidious may have never been refered to as a god. But one thing is for certain, he is far more than some power wielding superhuman. Sidious is described as the most powerful sith lord in history, even more powerful than the ancient sith lords, and even a lot of them would give Doom a run for his money. I don't think Doom would even defeat Exar Kun, a powerful sith sorcerer.

"Sidious can strike lightyears away. Meaning Sidious does not exactly have to be in the exact location as Doom is. He would only need to know where Doom was. Sidious became so powerful with the dark side that he was no longer defined by his physical form. Sidious was a nexus of pure dark side energy. It was nearly impossible to kill him, because he can just come back. Sidious only needs a strong body as a host for his life force, and Dooms body may make a great host. The darkest dark side ability was entering someones body and smothering out the spirit that dwells within, in which Sidious was capable of doing. It took the combined forces of every single jedi that has died before Sidious to keep him trapped in the netherworld of the force.

Sidious may have never been refered to as a god. But one thing is for certain, he is far more than some power wielding superhuman. Sidious is described as the most powerful sith lord in history, even more powerful than the ancient sith lords, and even a lot of them would give Doom a run for his money. I don't think Doom would even defeat Exar Kun, a powerful sith sorcerer."

"Does Dooms match this kind of power?

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The sources that say Sidious was the most powerful sith was Star Wars: Death Star page 76 i believe, The New Essential Guite to Chronology page84, The Dark side source book, Dark Empire source book."

"Sidious's tekenetic abilities:http://i35.tinypic.com/15z1hmq.jpg

Sidious lightning:http://i34.tinypic.com/15wgy75.jpg"

Doom has frozen Human Torch who can get as hot as the sun itself....

He defeated and stole the Powers of the Beyonder who would seriously make Sidious wet himself...

He defeated Molecule Man who is one of the most powerful beings in the Universe with ridiculous power....

He has taken a blow at point blank range from Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet....there is nothing on that level of power Sidious could hope to do face to face