Dovahkinn vs Dark Souls guy

What else to say? Fight in an open field. Who wins?

I'm going with the guy from Dark Souls. He fought some pretty big and powerful creatures.

He is called the "Chosen Undead". The two are very similar. However, Dark Souls has ended and Skyrim is still ongoing. Most of CU's equipment is player made with few being Lore Related, whereas Dovahkiin has tons of Lore Based gear and tools that he can use. Several of which are uniquely suited for dealing with Undead.

@reikai said:

He is called the "Chosen Undead". The two are very similar. However, Dark Souls has ended and Skyrim is still ongoing. Most of CU's equipment is player made with few being Lore Related, whereas Dovahkiin has tons of Lore Based gear and tools that he can use. Several of which are uniquely suited for dealing with Undead.

Don't forget that Dark Souls guy (Chosen Undead) can reverse hollowing

Depends on the build of the Chosen Undead. The Chosen Undead has accomplished many incredible things. Killing a primordial demon that threatened the world with the Abyss when Artorias failed, freed himself/herself from the Asylum, traverse Sen's Fortress and became one of the few, if only human to prove themselves worthy of entering Anor Londo; attain the Lordvessel after defeating the Captain of the Four Knights, Ornstein, and his tough companion Smough, killed the Four Kings who threaten to plague the world of the Abyss again, killed the mother of all Demons, killed Gravelord (death god) Nito, and killed Lord Gwyn, God of Sunlight and ruler of Lordran. After the defeat of Gwyn, he/she could choose to continue the Age of Fire or becoming the Dark Lord. For this battle, let's use the CU becoming the Dark Lord as a feat. I believe that ending is canon too unless someone can verify.

I'm going the the Chosen Undead. Many items that can provide boosts in power and agility, resistances, magic spells etc. Seemingly better in H2H combat, but I say that because Dark Souls has a better combat system in my opinion lol.

The mortal with dragon-god soul that can become a Assassin/werewolf/wizard/Nightingale/Vampire against the undead that pretty much everyone can kill in one-hit? Yeah sure...

I don't believe that Dovahkiin can "hollow" him. However, there are several abilities of his that can directly attack CU's soul. In Dark Souls, CU uses the souls of dragons he kills to create equipment. In Skyrim, Dovahkiin consumes the souls of the Dovah to empower his shouts and, according to the lore, like the first Dragonborn, Miraak, he becomes more powerful with each dragon's soul he devours.

@CaioTrubat said:

The mortal with dragon-god soul that can become a Assassin/werewolf/wizard/Nightingale/Vampire against the undead that pretty much everyone can kill in one-hit? Yeah sure...

Your character must of sucked then lol.

Horrible stomp in Dovahkin's favour, far more powerful in lore and in game. Can outright mind control the undead or use any of the other various method's to completely take down a human sized target and is capable of effecting actual souls with magic.

@CaioTrubat: Not meaning to take sides, but everyone who one shotted him did tend to be iron golems, gargoyles, giant etherial hydras, deathlords, flesh-eating treasure chests and onwards...

I wonder how powerful the chosen undead gets when he becomes the dark lord. I always got the feeling he becomes some kind of a god.

Looking at a list of things, the Dovahkiin had to kill at least 66 dragons of various types in order to have enough souls to unlock all of the shouts (some of which are learned wholly by other means like the Graybeards, Parthurnaax and such)
 
As for mindcontrolling undead. Well, that worked on Draugr, which aren't anything like the CU, so I wouldn't say that it would work with him. Soul Tear would still work, but it's not a one shot. Mehrunes Razor, however, is an insta-kill weapon and an artifact granted to Dovahkiin by Mehrunes Dagon, the Daedric Prince of Destruction, Domination and Change.
 
Lore wise, anyone struck with it dies. Game wise, they had to change it from insta-kill to a chance to insta-kill very early on, since it technically made it the most overpowered item in the game right from the get-go.

@reikai: His mind control worked on anything from vampire master's to robot's, paralysis would work as well, or being frozen, .

Lore and in game the CU is a normal dude with some enchanted equipment that takes down giant monsters in the same vein as heroes of the fantasy genre by avoiding blows and hacking at there weak spot's, Dovahkin on the other hand does it with raw power.

hmmmm, might change my opinion.

@KingOfAsh said:

@CaioTrubat: Not meaning to take sides, but everyone who one shotted him did tend to be iron golems, gargoyles, giant etherial hydras, deathlords, flesh-eating treasure chests and onwards...

Even then you would hardly get one-shotted by them unless your vitality is extremely low, or not high enough during NG+.

Both fully upgraded with the best stuff from there games? Dark Souls guy.

Vampire Masters and Dwemer Constructs are a septim a dozen in Skyrim. Now if it could work on people like, say, Serana and Harkon, then that would be impressive. But against no-named figures, it doesn't amount to much.
@Inphase said:

Both fully upgraded with the best stuff from there games? Dark Souls guy.

Dovahkin gets wrecked by Homing Crystal Soul Mass. That junk one shots giant dragons when you get decked out, lol.

@reikai: I'm not going by game mechanics. I was just stating that if they both were fully upgraded with the equipment they have access to from their respective series, The Chosen Undead would win. Going by game mechanics would be like "Well in Dark Souls you can have more stamina, so Dovahkiin loses."

@reikai: Again that's game mechanic's that prevents you from effecting them, Vampire Master's or Deathlord's are suppose to be rare powerful individual but game mechanic's eventually have you stumble across them like blade f grass. There is no lore reason the main character of Darksoul's should be immune.

Skyrim wasn't as harsh and you can regenerate indefinitely in Dark Soul's you always have limited resources.

@Dredeuced: When you get decked out in Skyrim you are effectively immune to magic.

Dark Soul's is a game where your one amongst many if you succeed you are the one that got to the end if you don't you are simply another undead that loses his mind.

Skyrim is a power trip fantasy adventure about a singular chosen one.

@reikai: I'm not going by game mechanics. I was just stating that if they both were fully upgraded with the equipment they have access to from their respective series, The Chosen Undead would win. Going by game mechanics would be like "Well in Dark Souls you can have more stamina, so Dovahkiin loses."

@reikai: I remember on my first playthrough getting the Gaulder amulet together and being let down by how basic it's final effect was.

@reikai: I remember on my first playthrough getting the Gaulder amulet together and being let down by how basic it's final effect was.

@cooljammy18: I'm just saying that Dark Souls enemies aren't exactly Turtles or Mushrooms

Based on Comparative Difficulty of the Games...The Chosen Undead wins in a slaughterstomp...The Dovahkin never faced anything even remotely as challenging as what CU had to go through.

@Shawnbaby said:

Based on Comparative Difficulty of the Games...The Chosen Undead wins in a slaughterstomp...The Dovahkin never faced anything even remotely as challenging as what CU had to go through.

That's terrible logic if you could slow down time or summon dragons and demons it would have made it a lot less challenging, Dark Soul's was tougher because the main character was not suppose to represent a very powerful character.

DS was also artificially tougher imagine how much easier it would be if you could have saved anywhere.

@Dextersinister said:

@Shawnbaby said:

Based on Comparative Difficulty of the Games...The Chosen Undead wins in a slaughterstomp...The Dovahkin never faced anything even remotely as challenging as what CU had to go through.

That's terrible logic if you could slow down time or summon dragons and demons it would have made it a lot less challenging, Dark Soul's was tougher because the main character was not suppose to represent a very powerful character.

DS was also artificially tougher imagine how much easier it would be if you could have saved anywhere.

I was mostly joking

@Shawnbaby: It's hard to tell on this site.

The entire Dark Souls world is very weak. Or at least, stat wise they are. And it's difficult to judge Dark Souls by lore because so much of Dark Souls lore is speculative because it takes a very minimalistic approach to storytelling. While that's kind of awesome in the game and leads to a unique experience, it doesn't mesh very well with Comic Vine battles.

The strongest enemies in the game, stat wise, are only about 3-4 times stronger than the most basic enemies, which are slow zombies wielding rusty and broken equipment. And the other characters don't have particularly impressive feats of strength, speed or energy projection. I mean, everything in that game can be beaten by rolling through enemy attacks at the right time, because they're so freaking slow.

It really seems to me like the Chosen Undead is just a street level character, and even the dragons he fights aren't that tough. Fun fact, did you know getting hit with a ripost from an Undead Knight of Balder, a very weak enemy type, is always a one hit killing no matter how much health and armor you have? Stab in the gut > Chosen Undead.

@Laurcus: Well street level characters aren't able to defeat creatures made of pure metal. And doesn't Squirrel Girl get all her feats from beating other characters, despite having no feats otherwise?

@KingOfAsh said:

@Laurcus: Well street level characters aren't able to defeat creatures made of pure metal. And doesn't Squirrel Girl get all her feats from beating other characters, despite having no feats otherwise?

Why not? Especially when magic weapons are involved.

I don't see what Squirrel Girl has to do with anything in this thread.

@cooljammy18: I'm just saying that Dark Souls enemies aren't exactly Turtles or Mushrooms

Dragonborn is too versatile.

Dark Souls guy gets blown up to pieces by a single FUS...

Dragonborn stomps.

Actually Sabre cats are even worse in my opinion.

I hope you all realize that the CU becomes a god at the end...right?

Dark souls was very vague on the lore and that would go against it, rather than horde the flame for himself the pygmy had it spread out among all of humanity. One of the few things we do know is that the gods where trying to prevent the end of the age of gods and beginning of the age of man, the creation of another god would make no sense.

Even then Dragonborn is mountain shattering powerful within the lore of Skyrim.

If we go by mechanics as silent protagonists with no cut scene feats we put them at equal skill with there equipment but the Dragonborn has abilities and supernatural advantages coming out his ass because it's a game a being a badass, Dark Souls puts you at a disadvantage because your suppose to be the underdog.

The Skyrim shouts aren't even that powerful. FUS is nothing much and wouldn't really breach the magic shield of the CU let alone kill the dude. To the CU, the Dovahkinn is just another magic wielding humanoid to get rid of.

Both fall short compared to the Arisen/Seneschal! :D

Haven't played with dark souls.. dragonborn due to sheer fanboyism :D

Within the lore FUS was described as ripping open fortress doors and then you got the ability that upgraded it to disintegration.

With the amount of upgrades in Skyrim you become magic immune permanently rather than for a fixed amount of time and then your up against a guy who can summon demons and dragons as well as give himself the strength and durability of a dragon. Magic was easily one of Dark Souls weakest aspects, the pvp aspect heavily limited what they could do with it.

Imagine how broken an invisible summoner would be in Dark Souls with effectively unlimited castings.

@jamesisaacs said:

For Game Mechanics, Fus does little more than make enemies stumble a bit. Lore wise, that one word is enough to shatter barricades and breach castle walls. "Voice Masters" were called in to destroy castle walls so that the human armies could invade and take out the Dragon Priests and their followers.

Martin Septim III died and became a Dragon God. Lorewise, he's a whole lot weaker than the Dovhakiin of the 4E.

Wrath of God to knock Dovahkinn down and then the backstab for the finish is how this fight would go.

Auriel's Shield blocks both and then Mehrune's Razor insta-kills CU.

The chosen undead kills dovahkiin easily, he can just drain his humanity and destroy him.

@inphase said:

That's the same as just saying Dovahkiin uses Soul Tear and shatters CU's spirit and kills him instantly.

excuse me but FUS RO DAH = game over

@reikai: The Chosen Undead also seems to have better feats.

Lorewise he doesn't. I believe they made mention before that, given the lore, the Dovahkiin's shout is powerful enough to span an entire continent. And dealing with Aedra/Daedra (Gods/Demons) who, when they physically "die", their bodies become planets which're also dimensions all their own, quite outranks those in Dark Souls.

My Dragonborn STOMPS HARD.