Dormammu vs. Thanos & Darkseid

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Stipulations:

Darkseid solos? I doubt that.

Thanos and Darkseid ftw.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

omega beams, and thats the end of dormammu

No. That's just being a massive fanboy, Darkseid doesn't win here in any scenario.

Dormammu has the power of the Dark Dimension and stalemated Classic Strange (and has beaten), who was universal (and I think multiversal).

What has Darkseid done to affect the whole multiverse?

The events of Final Crisis? The multiverse collapsing perhaps? But it's still irrelevant, I don't see Darkseid and Thanos winning in any scenario.

I think Dorm wins this.

He has better feats then Darkseid and Thanos.

Dormammu has never beaten Eternity under his own power or w/o aid. What really happened in that arc was D attempted to trap Eternity while he was slumbering (I know... silly right lol, I didn't write it lol). Strange shows up he and D make a ruckus and awaken Eternity. D flips his wig and tries to destroy Eternity. However all he manages to actually do is destroy his own physical form and rendering him a disembodied spirit shorn of mind and will.

@CadenceV2: D only pawned himself Eternity was just fine hence the MU not unraveling lol.

@CadenceV2: Have you even read the issue? I own it and am looking at it right now. Strange didn't free Eternity. Eternity freed himself and halted their fight.

@KMART4455 said:

I think Dorm wins this.

He has better feats then Darkseid and Thanos.

Such as?

@CadenceV2: D actually lured Strange there. Imitating Clea I believe (not looking at it right now). he was there to save her not free Eternity. Though it was all just a trap. The point is though D never beat Eternity in that story.

@nickthedevil: Lmao! Yeah sure!

                   

@CadenceV2: D actually lured Strange there. Imitating Clea I believe (not looking at it right now). he was there to save her not free Eternity. Though it was all just a trap. The point is though D never beat Eternity in that story.

                   

               

I'm unconvinced Dormmamu can even beat one of them for the majority. Having both Thanos and Darkseid makes it a stomp imo.

@First_Last: You don't think Dormammu's destroying of an avatar of Eternity under his own power with no prep is a feat enough to prove that he wins?

Honestly, I'd say that the encounter in the above scans is a stalemate, Eternity was temporarily destroyed and Dorm was transported to another dimension. But still, Dormammu literally defied and incapacitated the living embodiment on everything (and at the time of that issue, I'm pretty confidant that Eternity was the strongest char in the Marvel Universe), while Thanos is a little below Odin and has no prep. Stalemating Eternity under your own power is not a feat that either member of the other team is close to matching.

@fondofpacman said:

@First_Last: You don't think Dormammu's destroying of an avatar of Eternity under his own power with no prep is a feat enough to prove that he wins?

Honestly, I'd say that the encounter in the above scans is a stalemate, Eternity was temporarily destroyed and Dorm was transported to another dimension. But still, Dormammu literally defied and incapacitated the living embodiment on everything (and at the time of that issue, I'm pretty confidant that Eternity was the strongest char in the Marvel Universe), while Thanos is a little below Odin and has no prep. Stalemating Eternity under your own power is not a feat that either member of the other team is close to matching.

If that was what happened then i could agree. However he didn't destroy anything. I own the issue and no where in it does it show or say anything about Eternity being destroyed, dispatched, defeated or anything of the sort. However what it does clearly say is that "Dormammu is no more". All he actually did was get his physical form obliterated and got reduced to a disembodied spirit shorn of mind and will. I fail to see how that is even impressive let alone how you call that a stalemate?

@nickthedevil said:

@First_Last said:

@fondofpacman said:

@First_Last: You don't think Dormammu's destroying of an avatar of Eternity under his own power with no prep is a feat enough to prove that he wins?

Honestly, I'd say that the encounter in the above scans is a stalemate, Eternity was temporarily destroyed and Dorm was transported to another dimension. But still, Dormammu literally defied and incapacitated the living embodiment on everything (and at the time of that issue, I'm pretty confidant that Eternity was the strongest char in the Marvel Universe), while Thanos is a little below Odin and has no prep. Stalemating Eternity under your own power is not a feat that either member of the other team is close to matching.

If that was what happened then i could agree. However he didn't destroy anything. I own the issue and no where in it does it show or say anything about Eternity being destroyed, dispatched, defeated or anything of the sort. However what it does clearly say is that "Dormammu is no more". All he actually did was get his physical form obliterated and got reduced to a disembodied spirit shorn of mind and will. I fail to see how that is even impressive let alone how you call that a stalemate?

"Eternity vanishes as a fierce maelstrom rips across the void."

also before that, Eternity boasts "Return to earth human, i shall deal with Dormammu."

So did Eternity lie? did he chicken out? please amuse me.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner he vanishes from Stranges human perceptions. Notice how when D enters the realm there are no planets, it's a void. After D attacks Eternity even states "be warned infamous one you cannot survive this blasphemous attack". Then to Strange it appears Eternity vanishes. Notice how once E "vanishes" there are now planets visible. Eternity sucked D into himself and collided "spheres" to destroy him.

@First_Last: The planets that hit Dorm were a result of Dorm's attack on Eternity. Eternity was blatantly wrong when he said Dorm can't survive the attack, abstracts aren't always omniscient; and if you read the followup issues, you'd know that both Dormammu and Eternity survived the exchange, only Eternity was temporarily incapacitated (a frequent battle thread win qualifier) and Dorm was transported to another dimension (BFR, yet another battle win situation), it was a stalemate.

Dormy should stomp actually ........... If Darkseid had the SFF, or Thanos the Cosmic Cube ... Totally different story .... but no ... they don't have them ... and so ...... they die...........

I'm not exactly sure about what classic Thanos is capable of. Is he the one who tanked blasts from Odin and Galactus respectively? And the clans clearly show that Dormamu sacrifices himself in an attempt to kill Eternity with the knowledge that he was going to lose. So basically, he throws out all of his power in an attempt to take Eternity out before he himself dies. It's right there in the scans. "If this be my destiny, then I welcome it. For if I must perish, Eternity too must crumble." I'll state that it looks like that the Eternity vanishing isn't the result of anything Dormamu's actions but an attack from Eternity. When the planets explode, it begins disintegrating Eternity's body. So, is there any other feats of Dormamu that we can use? Because that one is kind of *Waves hand in the classic "eh" gesture* You can't really tell who won or if it's a stalemate or what happend.

@First_Last I understand that the planetoids came from Eternity, but it still looks to me that the maelstrom movement of those planetoids was the result of Dormammu's near-kamakazi explosion spell. That seems to be our main point of contention here, you and @DangerousLoki interpret the events as Eternity sucking Dorm in and hitting him with a planet and then choosing to disappear, while I always thought Dorm flew into the middle of Eternity and blew both himself and Eternity up, which seems alot less obscure to me.

Here's why I think I have a leg up with my interpretation of the events. Since Dr. Strange protects Eternity, I don't think that Eternity would purposely initiate so chaotic of an attack on Dormammu that it would almost kill Dr. Strange as well (Doc only gets to safety as the result of the Ancient one's help). The whole maelstrom, to me, looks like a lack of control on both Dorm and Eternity's part...although Dormammu seems to be cool with that since he's through taking crap from Eternity and would be content to kill the both of them. I get the impression that the writers intended for that comic to show two titanic forces sorta nullifying each other.

I don't debate that in the Marvel hierarchy, Eternity is certainty above Dormammu. I interpret those events as Dorm catching Eternity off guard with an insane kamikaze gambit. Also I can't debate any points made for DS being above Dorm since I never read DC comics and know nothing of the character other than that people like to put him in battles with Thanos on these threads, and classic Thanos is undeniably below Dorm as he doesn't rule an entire universe.

@fondofpacman: Well my interpretation is easier to understand. We see Dormamu go in to attack Eternity but he gets countered by Eternity and the two forcs are clashing with a deadly titanic force. It shows a maelstrom of attack but it's not clear whether this is a chaotic explosion or a directed attack. It looks like Eternity is trying to consume Dormamu in his essence and winds up succeding but Dormamu uses this as a chance to basically blow Eternity apart from the inside out and it's after Dormamu's attack that Strange is put in danger as Eternity's essence is scattered throughout and nearly kills him. Basically it's like planting a bomb on yourself before Godzilla eats you. Sure you destroy Godzilla but not because of any great power but because you attack him from a vulnerable position. I'd like to see some more feats from Dormamu. I'm not saying he'd lose. I don't know enough about the classic Darkseid/Thanos characters to chime in. But I know Thanos is a beast and it's been my experience classic versions are usually superior versions but not always.

@DangerousLoki: I understand where you're coming from, but at least we both agree that Eternity at some point lost control of things, but I think the obvious interpretation of his disapearance afterwards was incapacitation...and to me, it didn't look like Eternity "did" anything other than just stand there. And if Dorm's movement into the middle of Eternity was advantageous for his attack, then I'd assume that he went there on his own volition and wasn't sucked in, but I'm still unsure if Dorm being in the middle of Eternity made much of a difference, it's not like a cherry bomb going off when held in a clenched fist, it's an explosion inside eternity...who's space goes on for something like eternity I'd imagine, and Eternity's an abstract, I feel like stuff like tactical positioning would be below the scope of a battle with him...imo.

And your point that your interpretation is easier to understand is debatable. When we're done with this thread maybe we should start a new one where we poll people who've read the comic in order to better speculate as to the author's intended interpret of the event?