Dormammu vs Arishem the Judge (Celestial)

Dormammu vs Arishem the Judge

Two rounds:

One: In the Dark Dimension at a point when Dormammu is the ruler.

Two: On the planet Mercury.

In both cases, both combatants are at the height of their power (at least, at the height of their power as it can exist in the dimension in which they are battling).

Who wins? Why?

Dormammu isn't really like Shuma or some principality who's omnipotent in his own dimension...although I think he does usually gain some significant advantages over his opponents when fighting in the Dark Dimension.  
 
Dorm's feats are all over the place, so that could make it tricky to call since there's not alot on Arishem, but if we're looking at both characters based on their original power levels, I'd say Dorm absolutely takes it in the Dark Dimension. He basically blew up eternity the one time he interrupted his fight with Dr. Strange, and I'd place Arishem around Galactu's level, not enough to handle Dorm on his home turf. 
 
On Mercury, hmmm, I'd still probably give it to Dorm, but I'm not sure how crafty Arishem is. I remember Dormammu leaving the dark dimension in a Guardians of the Galaxy comic, and although he basically lost to PIS, he was fighting Ghost Rider, old Dr. Strange, and Phoenix Force and kicking ass outside of the Dark Dimension, at one point the damn Phoenix Force blasted him and it just singed his and alittle...although that was a garbage issue IMO, and there could be important story context I'm forgetting. 
 
Wait...hmmm, can Arishem seal off dimensions himself? If he can, he'll vaporize Dorm after sealing off his power to the DD, without the flames of regency Dorm is fairly weak.

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Dormammu's personal power might not be enough to have a full confrontation with Arishem, however, this is where things get a bit tricky. Dormammu has Personal Power and Conjuring power.  He can simply add more power and stack that power to his favor with the use of Principality magic and summons. For example, he can call for Shuma Gorath to add him more strength and Chthon to protect him, while at the same time invoke Cyttorak to contain his enemies. With this in mind, Arishem might have some bit of a problem.

Arishem FTW!!!

@fondofpacman: @tron_bonne: Hey nice points about cosmic vs invocational energy guys. I hadn't thought of that being used in our universe; I'm not sure he could conjure up enough energy to make up whatever difference there is between his natural power and Arishem's natural power on our plane, but it's a good idea.

Also, fondofpacman--you've gotta watch the language before a mod comes after ya!

@Killemall: @TheGoldenOne: Arishem in both rounds?

D loses both.

@fondofpacman: @tron_bonne: Hey nice points about cosmic vs invocational energy guys. I hadn't thought of that being used in our universe; I'm not sure he could conjure up enough energy to make up whatever difference there is between his natural power and Arishem's natural power on our plane, but it's a good idea.

Also, fondofpacman--you've gotta watch the language before a mod comes after ya!

@Killemall: @TheGoldenOne: Arishem in both rounds?

@  tron_bonne 
 
hmm, I always thought the hyperspace powers of the celestials were still in the same realm of cosmic power as beings such as Galactus and such...but I'll plead ignorance since I'm really not very well read on Silver Surfer and am still working my way through the original Eternals comics. And when you mention dormammu's personal power, do you mean the power drawn from the dark dimension, or just his natural faline power? I'm pretty sure he has the Dark Dimension powers outside his realm still, as Umar (when she ruled the DD) was strong enough to threaten the whole 616 universe and force Dr. Strange to sic Zom on her in a desperate effort.

I'd be of the opinion that Dorm would only win round one, but I'm assuming classic Dormammu, if he's been retconned to some wimpier version of him in the past few decades, I'm not even aware of that and I'm not talking about about that Dorm. Does Arishem have some crazy feats that lead people to believe he could go to the Dark Dimension and beat Dorm on his own?

@fondofpacman: I will get back to you on that.

Dormammu wins both rounds...... Clearly...... If he can best Eternity multiple times, chain Zom, and make Phoenix avatars look stupid there's no way that a Celestial like Arishem would do much of anything to Dormammu.

Dormammu's biggest weakness is his arrogance which he shows most often when facing his much weaker and "lesser" foes. I don't think he would give a Celestial that luxury.

Dormammu > any single Celestial(including Exitar and TOAA)

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

Dormammu wins both rounds...... Clearly...... If he can best Eternity multiple times, chain Zom, and make Phoenix avatars look stupid there's no way that a Celestial like Arishem would do much of anything to Dormammu.

Dormammu's biggest weakness is his arrogance which he shows most often when facing his much weaker and "lesser" foes. I don't think he would give a Celestial that luxury.

Dormammu > any single Celestial(including Exitar and TOAA)

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

i think its pretty close,,hmm R1 to dorm,R2 to arishem imo

@ChompOnThis12589 said:

Dormammu wins both rounds...... Clearly...... If he can best Eternity multiple times, chain Zom, and make Phoenix avatars look stupid there's no way that a Celestial like Arishem would do much of anything to Dormammu.

Dormammu's biggest weakness is his arrogance which he shows most often when facing his much weaker and "lesser" foes. I don't think he would give a Celestial that luxury.

Dormammu > any single Celestial(including Exitar and TOAA)

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

I'll say dormammu takes in his own realm(maybe) but on mercury arishem has him no doubt.

arishem=galactus or arishem

@TheGoldenOne said:

Arishem.

Is Arishem actually equal to Galactus or stronger? I assumed stronger.

@thanobomb1124 said:

@OmegaDynasty

@ChompOnThis12589 said:

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

LoL

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Arishem wins both scenarios.

When was the last time a Celestial enters a reality that is NOT from the multiverse?

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

When was the last time a Celestial enters a reality that is NOT from the multiverse?

Per Dr Strange, the Dark Dimension is one of the further dimensions from the 616 reality. Also it was theorized the the Celestials may not be from this multiverse

Arishem

R1: Dormammu

R2: Maybe Ashriem or Dora not real sure

@ChompOnThis12589 said:

Dormammu wins both rounds...... Clearly...... If he can best Eternity multiple times, chain Zom, and make Phoenix avatars look stupid there's no way that a Celestial like Arishem would do much of anything to Dormammu.

Dormammu's biggest weakness is his arrogance which he shows most often when facing his much weaker and "lesser" foes. I don't think he would give a Celestial that luxury.

Dormammu > any single Celestial(including Exitar and TOAA)

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

Dormammu still had much to learn about the universe to even be considered a mild threat to the Celestials. (per Dr Strange) Arishem is a higher level Celestial. Dormammu is outta his league here. He loses both rounds.

Dorm both rounds.

@Hoboseid said:

@thanobomb1124 said:

@OmegaDynasty

@ChompOnThis12589 said:

Dormammu stomps Arishem badly....

LoL

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Honestly, I can't imagine even a Marvel universe (who's writers may observe or not observe established continuity...) that would allow Dormammu, as powerful as he is, to take out a celestial.

Dorma.

@High Revolutionary said:

D loses both.

D in his real.

A in the planet.

Round 1: Dormy but not in a stomp

Round 2: I have no freaking idea. Mystic and cosmic power are completely different... Could go either way IMO

@chomponthis12589: You can not compare the celestial one above all with other celestials. He was the one, who revived his whole race in seconds. And is also the leader. The thing is, that there aren't many information about him, but to say that dormammu would easily bash him out of the way is wrong. As the leader of the celestials and ability to use cosmic energy and mythical energy, he is probably in a much higher position than dormammu. And also one of the cosmic entities as it own and not just because of his race. He would be able to go into the dark dimension on his own and fight it back, against dorm. Arishem would be also a great opponent for dormamu. Found it more interesting to talk about the OAA.

^ a guy just created an alt only to respond to a person who hasn't been active since 2013.. lol.

OT: a properly written Dormammu wins