" @Edamame: True, but Doomsday loses nevertheless. "
How? "
He's vastly superior in terms of versatility, has comparable strength, comparable speed, and comparable durability (and that's without the malleability part). Even going by the meaning of their names, the edge would go to Apocalypse.
" He's vastly superior in terms of versatility, has comparable strength, comparable speed, and comparable durability (and that's without the malleability part). Even going by the meaning of their names, the edge would go to Apocalypse. "
The only problem with that is, Doomsday will eventually adapt to all of Apocalypse's versatile powers. Then what is he going to do? "
This isn't a fight to death. A KO or temporary BFR would suffice.
" @RiseofApocalypse: Well, neither Apocalypse, nor Doomsday can die in the long run anyway. Doomsday managed to overpower Superman and Apocalypse is not as strong as he is. BFR would give Apocalypse a win, though. Not a KO. "
Doomsday overpowered a watered down Superman (if you were referring to Death of Superman).
" @RiseofApocalypse: Well, neither Apocalypse, nor Doomsday can die in the long run anyway. Doomsday managed to overpower Superman and Apocalypse is not as strong as he is. BFR would give Apocalypse a win, though. Not a KO. "
Doomsday overpowered a watered down Superman (if you were referring to Death of Superman). "
indeed, that superman was just a few years after COIE. he couldn't even tank a 50 megaton nuke without losing consciousness. superman has been vastly upgraded since then. and as the years increase he will soon reach silver age power levels again and they will probably have to retcon him again...
" Doomsday overpowered a watered down Superman (if you were referring to Death of Superman). "
Ah. I see. My mistake. In what way was Superman "watered down"? I wasn't aware of this.
@difficlus said:
" i think apoc can win this due to his teleporting ability. "
Doomsday couldn't come back, as he always does? "
its still counts as BFR even if he comes back...and while doomsday needs to come back to adapt to whatever killed him Apoc can do it instantly. he can adapt with greater versatility than Doomsday can.
@Edamame: Actually, Superman in DOS is nowhere near current Superman in terms of power. But Doomsday's adaptive abilities is the key for the win. He was able to evolve past some ridiculous things. And I doubt that DD can be KO'ed.
Doomsday all the way. All the feats what Apocalypse has isnt enough to take on a charater like Doomsday. Doomsday have fought charaters of pure energy with speeds we can only imagine and teleporting won't save Apocalypse for too long. I have seen magneto ripped him to near death yes powers the powers are differnt but just imagine what Dooms will bring to table to Apocalypse .
" @RiseofApocalypse: Wouldn't the writers want to make the bad guy lose? "
they wanted to depower superman and remind everyone the silver age was over. thats why they killed him. and doomsday did lose. but superman just died moments after...
On paper Apocalypse could win this. Apocalypse doesn't face anyone without a plan and for the most part in the first meetings he wins. Apocalypse with the list of powers should win this, but he's a villain so he's written watered down just slight enough to be beaten. So many characters are watered down because they should just be unbeatable. Apocalypse is basically a more sturdier Plastic Man only he can grow a lot bigger, has mental capabilities and can't die just like Doomsday. When Apocalypse wants to actually throw down he's so badass, but he usually just bails to fight another day.
" On paper Apocalypse could win this. Apocalypse doesn't face anyone without a plan and for the most part in the first meetings he wins. Apocalypse with the list of powers should win this, but he's a villain so he's written watered down just slight enough to be beaten. So many characters are watered down because they should just be unbeatable. Apocalypse is basically a more sturdier Plastic Man only he can grow a lot bigger, has mental capabilities and can't die just like Doomsday. When Apocalypse wants to actually throw down he's so badass, but he usually just bails to fight another day. "
good point. however just because he can beat hulk (on the astral plane) does not mean he can beat doomsday nor does it mean Hulk can beat doomsday (which he in no way can...)
he can adapt with greater versatility than Doomsday can. "
? "
ive never seen doomsday create rocket boosters from his hand... "
Wow, because creating rocket boosters is so impressive ? Epic fail. That's not even adaptive powers. Doomsday elongated his bone spikes to hit flying Superman.
he can adapt with greater versatility than Doomsday can. "
? "
ive never seen doomsday create rocket boosters from his hand... "
Wow, because creating rocket boosters is so impressive ? Epic fail. That's not even adaptive powers. Doomsday elongated his bone spikes to hit flying Superman. "
so how is that more impressive then creating a rocket from your hand? elongating spikes? Apoc can do that too...he can even create holes in himself so doomsdays's punches just go through him.
@difficlus: That is more impressive, because that is his bones ! Doomsday is too fast for Apocalypse, and he will evolve past everything Apoc throws at him.
@TheJuggernautpunch: so what? apoc turning his bones into a machine that runs on fuel is less impressive than just growing them a little? also Apoc can also enchance his reaction time to suit his needs too...and he like i said can evolve and turn himself into whatever he needs too. youre only looking at it from one angle. apoc can turn himself into whatever he needs, if he wants he can shrink down to an inch to aviod a blow from doomsday.
@difficlus: Yes, because Apoc is so tough because of Celestial's technology, and Doomsday's powers are his own in right, that's why Doomsday's feat is more impressive. Apoc can do that, bla bla bla, why doesn't he do that in comics ? Turning into some shit won't work, Doomsday can hurt energy beings, intangible foes, he can evolve past everything Apoc throws. Shrinking ? *facepalm* Now that is where " Doomsday stomps" would work perfectly.
" @difficlus: Yes, because Apoc is so tough because of Celestial's technology, and Doomsday's powers are his own in right, that's why Doomsday's feat is more impressive. Apoc can do that, bla bla bla, why doesn't he do that in comics ? Turning into some shit won't work, Doomsday can hurt energy beings, intangible foes, he can evolve past everything Apoc throws. Shrinking ? *facepalm* Now that is where " Doomsday stomps" would work perfectly. "
i dont get what you're saying. so what if he used celestial tech? so did thanos..that doesn't disqualify his powers. Thanos has defeated the Marvel universe using tech. does that make it less impressive. batman always beats foes using tech and equipment because he isn't superhuman. that doesn't mean he didn't do those things or they are less impressive than when superman does them. Apoc has been a jobber for a while because of the good over evil thing. and for the face of the matter Apoc also evolve, i dont get why you're saying he cant. i used shrinking as a method to show you what he can do. what im saying is if he wanted he could shrink down to DODGE or DUCK a blow from Doomsday and grow himself again. like doomsday he can't truly die and can augment his strength and speed and just about anything but more readily. and you've just told me Apoc turning or adapting won't work while it will for Doomsday? Apoc has beaten the likes of High evolutionary and an enraged Hulk and enhanced things like his agility, taking Black bolts scream which is enough to shatter a planet and just smiled, shattering invinsible womans shields like they were nothing and one shotting cable and you want to bring up all the PIS about him? i'm just assuming you're drunk. rpely back in the morning...sober.
@difficlus: Apoc used tech. That's not his power. Not impressive. Doomsday uses his power in right. Not the tech. It's his original powers. And what if Apoc beat HE ? High Evolutionary doesn't even have feats, and got owned by Hulk, Doomsday would kill Hulk in second, Doctor Doom shattered Invisible Woman's forcefield too. Doomsday survived a blast equal to 1 million nuclear blasts, without a scratch. So STFU with your nonsense.
IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table. "
And Apocalypse would kill OEless Darkseid. Who cares about low showings?
Just to clarify why I brought Darkseid up, Doomsday couldn't defeat Darkseid even though Seid refused to use the OE in a fight that happened nearly 300,000 years ago.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table. "
And Apocalypse would kill pre OE Darkseid. Who cares about low showings? "
ALL showings are what define a character. You can't pick and choose the ones you deem valid.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table. "
And Apocalypse would kill pre OE Darkseid. Who cares about low showings? "
ALL showings are what define a character. You can't pick and choose the ones you deem valid. "
Which is what you were doing, not me. Apocalypse doesn't consistently go around dodging tables. His win-lose ratio in FIGHTS is actually pretty good given that he's operating at full power.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table. "
because of PIS!! if he tanks a scream from Black Bolt why would a chair even fraze him? remember we're assuming both are fighting at the best of their ability.
" IIRC there's only one version of Doomsday that evolved on the fly. The rest have to die first. A death = loss in the arena. However, Apocalypse has been bested by a chair that was thrown at him by Namor. Doomsday wrecks Apoc. Apoc would need lots of prep to pull a majority. "
Apocalypse hasn't been bested by a chair. It was a table and all Apoc did was dodge it which isn't ab ad showing compared to some of the showings people like Thor and Superman have. Apoc doesn't need a second of prep to take the more average Doomsday.
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @RiseofApocalypse: But could Apoc do those things before the enhancements ? How powerful he was as an alpha mutant ? "
No. Around class 5-10 strength, tk, minior tp, superhuman speed, shapeshifting, and ability to levitate were his powers before the enchantments. "
If Apoc is so powerful why dodge the table? Doomsday would eat the table. "
And Apocalypse would kill pre OE Darkseid. Who cares about low showings? "
ALL showings are what define a character. You can't pick and choose the ones you deem valid. "
@Edamame: Doomsday has never faced magic, so we can't know. And how the f#ck can you adapt to reality manipulation ? It would mean that no reality warpers, even such as MJJ would be able to beat him. How can you adapt to that ?
It's either a win for Apocalypse or a stalemate. Apocalypse has total control over his molecular structure so he can become anything he wants or adapt to anything. The same way that Doomsday evolves to overcome whatever kills him, Apocalypse can change his form to answer any attack. He even has an advantage in that he doesn't have to die first and he can choose how he'll change and control it. Any time Doomsday becomes immune to one method Apocalypse uses, he can come up with another one. He also has energy powers, telepathy, telekinesis, advanced technology and a genius intellect. Of course, as long as Doomsday comes back from death (which, for anyone else would mean being beaten) he can't really lose.
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