Doctor Doom and Reed Richards vs Thanos(w/prep)

Doctor Doom and Mr. Fantastic
VS

Thanos

-Thanos does not start with the Infinity Gauntlet

-Reed and Doom are willing to cooperate

-Both sides have 1 month of prep.

-Both sides are oblivious to the other's whereabouts

With prep time, I'll give this to Doom and Richards.

No prep for Thanos?

Team wins with ease.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: No, both sides DO have prep.

@XiiX said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: No, both sides DO have prep.

OH!

Thanos ftw, probably collapse's earth sun, or find other means of powwer apart from IG

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

If Thanos uses prep to collapse the sun, Dr. Doom can just use a spell to reverse the effect.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: he die before he could cast the spell

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

I say going by prep feats, Thanos should win this. He has universal conquering/destroying feats.

1 month prep? Reed creates a Thanos-begone gun while Doom provides funding. Or a defense array around Earth so Thanos can't even enter the battlefield. Pre-BFR.

Doom obtains a cosmic cube and curbstomps Thanos that way or he becomes Sorcerer Supreme again and BFR's Thanos in a split second.

@dondave said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: he die before he could cast the spell

Doubt it...

We're talking about Doom.

The guy who lived from the beginning of time itself.

He probably watched a lot of stars collapse and birthed and he's still alive.

The Team wins. Thanos is good but you could argue Dr Dooms feats are better or just as good as Thanos alone. Willing to cooperate with Reed, between Magic and technology of the 2 best minds on earth and 2 of the top 4 in the UNIVERSE (non-cosmic)... They win and convincingly.

Thanos w/ease.

Thanos outclasses both with prep. But at the same time? This could be close.

I'm going with Thanos.

Does anyone plan on explaining why they think Thanos wins or is it like how Hulk beats Thor? (Fanboys being morons)

Only way Thanos wins is by physically fighting Doom with his bare fist.

That it...

Everything else goes to Doom.

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Does anyone plan on explaining why they think Thanos wins or is it like how Hulk beats Thor? (Fanboys being morons)

Does it really need to be. Thanos prep feats trump theirs easily. Thanos trumps them physically, mentally and dwarfs in raw power and abilities.

Thanos doesn't have a single feat better than something Victor has done with LESS prep and less tech. Thanos is durable yes but Doom is as well between his shields and magic. Immune to telepathy. Thanos maybe physically superior to Doom as well as technologically superior due to a lack of tech being human but mentally not so much, prep wise not at all, and mystically not even close.

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Thanos' prep = An entire arc to gain the Infinity Gems into a Gauntlet

Doom's prep = One page to steal Beyonder's power

Thanos was given the HOTU Doctor Doom stole the Powers from the PR Beyonder Thanos took an entire arc to get the IG Doom took 1 comic to absorb the power of Chnthin Thanos is terrified of Adam Warlock Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG. Thanos get owned by Odin Doom defeated Asgard Thanos and Doom have both bested Galactus and Silver Surfer Doom killed a Watcher, Doom defeated Dormammu, Doom defeated PR Molecule Man

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Thanos was given the HOTU Doctor Doom stole the Powers from the PR Beyonder Thanos took an entire arc to get the IG Doom took 1 comic to absorb the power of Chnthin Thanos is terrified of Adam Warlock Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG. Thanos get owned by Odin Doom defeated Asgard Thanos and Doom have both bested Galactus and Silver Surfer Doom killed a Watcher, Doom defeated Dormammu, Doom defeated PR Molecule Man

"Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG"

And Quasar was just watching in disbelief! He was soo scared of Doom, he couldn't use the Ultimate Nullifier! LOL

Haha I know it must have been disconcertingb

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

Thanos wins

That was with the HOTU? Means nothing it's the same feat so yes, Dooms feats are just as good if not better.

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

The Infinity Gaunlet took Thanos quite some time to aquire and the HOTU was basically handed to him. I also wouldn't call either more impressive than what Reed or Doom has done. Oh, and IIRC, both Reed and Doom have gotten their hands on an Infinty Gaunlet, so...

Doom took about 24 hours to steal the Beyonder's powers. Reed has breached literal Heaven to get Thing back.

Together, Reed and Doom REGULARLY defeat Celestials and the like. Thanos doesn't do that.

Stole Galactus' power with only a fricken thought!

Killed his ex girlfriend and turned her into a suit of armor! (With a THOUGHT!)

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

The Infinity Gaunlet took Thanos quite some time to aquire and the HOTU was basically handed to him. I also wouldn't call either more impressive than what Reed or Doom has done. Oh, and IIRC, both Reed and Doom have gotten their hands on an Infinty Gaunlet, so...

Doom took about 24 hours to steal the Beyonder's powers. Reed has breached literal Heaven to get Thing back.

Together, Reed and Doom REGULARLY defeat Celestials and the like. Thanos doesn't do that.

I guess

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

@First_Last said:

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/question-about-thanos-and-when-he-absorbed-all-things/742379/#5

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Not really sure why you posted the link. If you would like to clarify thatd be great. I wont read that just to guess at what you were implying afterward lol. I mean I assume your disagreeing w/something?

@First_Last said:

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

I don't know too much, but what I do know is that Doom has taken over the universe. Doom has beaten cosmic hosts. PR-Beyonder = TOAA and > LT. PR-Beyonder came before TOAA was created and was basically the original TOAA if I have read correctly, and Doom stole his power. Their prep feats do trump Thanos'. As someone has already stated, it took Thanos an Arc to get the IG; it took a page for Doom to take PR-Beyonder's powers.

@First_Last: Thanos won't win. He constantly watches out for Doom in fear that Doom would prep against him, but what Thanos doesn't know, is that Doom doesn't need prep. Lastly, Thanos can time hop prep by using his chair. Very advance alien technology.

However, Doom can time hop prep too by generating a Time Cube with just a gesture.

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Name one thing that The Team can come up with that Thanos can't counter. Name one thing that Thanos can come up with that the team can't counter. Both sides will render all power, energy, magic, null and void. All energy/power can be stolen or negated and that is exactly what will happen here. So that leaves 2 humans vs an external. THanos wins

@ImBoredLetsDebate:

Your first statement said it all.

@First_Last said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate:

Your first statement said it all.

Nice argument you have there. I bet you never lose debates.

You can not tell how long something took merely by looking at how many pages it took. Just because one feat is performed in 3 pages does NOT mean the feat was performed quicker then a feat that took 9 pages. If it does not specifically say how long something took, you are merely guessing.

You can not tell how long something took merely by looking at how many pages it took. Just because one feat is performed in 3 pages does NOT mean the feat was performed quicker then a feat that took 9 pages. If it does not specifically say how long something took, you are merely guessing.

@Supermanwithatan01: When Doom does his feats in a few pages, Thanos' come from arcs or long drawnout stories. The illusion of time is stretched to days between 3 pages whereas 60 pages might be months.

Still does not tell how us how fast the feats were completed.

Victor took on the most powerful comic character in history and prevailed.

Incorrect. Doom couldn't invent anything to steal Beyonders power under his own ability. He stole tech from Galactus first.

Thanos was handed the HOTU which would still not have defeated that Beyonder

Doom stole power from a being who was naive and pretty dumb. Thanos outsmarted all knowing and all seeing beings. also even with the beyonder's power, Doom couldn't even keep Cap America down. Doom can't handle that type of power. Thanos mastered the HOTU.

However on the vine there is no CIS in the current battles

I know this. Thanos has also lost only because of CIS. Like when Warlock turned him to stone. A power Warlock does not have. Or Nebula, while almost dead, stole the gauntlet. Or Thanos willfully giving the HOTU back to recreate the universe. CIS has hurt Thanos also

Here, objectively, the team's prep feats overwhelm Thanos

If this battle had a 10 minute time limit then I may agree with you. But this is a month. In a month, both teams can create whatever they imagine. So until a scenario is given that Thanos can't counter with a month's time, i call stalemate. Both teams will steal or negate power to no end.

Thanos...

Thanos wins.

If the prep feats Thanos has under his belt were so easy, Doom would have tried himself. Doom is always after power.

Not to mention Thanos keeps constant watch over Doom so he already has an advantage

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x296/acewasp23/Marvel_Universe_The_End_1_p20_Hgwel.jpg

@pooty said:

@Supermanwithatan01: When Doom does his feats in a few pages, Thanos' come from arcs or long drawnout stories. The illusion of time is stretched to days between 3 pages whereas 60 pages might be months.

Still does not tell how us how fast the feats were completed.

Victor took on the most powerful comic character in history and prevailed.

Incorrect. Doom couldn't invent anything to steal Beyonders power under his own ability. He stole tech from Galactus first.

 
I didn't say Doom invented something. I said he prevailed. The fact is he beat 1 bully with another bullies weapons and robbed both of their power. Thats saying something in itself.
 
 
 

Thanos was handed the HOTU which would still not have defeated that Beyonder

Doom stole power from a being who was naive and pretty dumb. Thanos outsmarted all knowing and all seeing beings. also even with the beyonder's power, Doom couldn't even keep Cap America down. Doom can't handle that type of power. Thanos mastered the HOTU.

Thanos used patience and was "guided" to that power. He was given the power. Doom fought valiantly and stalemated the Beyonder until he could siphon the power with Galactus and Klaws tech. The Beyonder was naive, I admit that, but I wouldn't call him stupid. A creature that can't be killed wouldn't believe killing was "right" or "wrong", the simply wouldn't have a conception of it. The Beyonder wanted to learn from the Universe. Doom was clever enough to do this, then was himself tricked into losing the power. That makes little to no sense, especially for a character like Doom. However in those days the BAD GUYS NEVER WON. Plain and Simpler. I believe that feat is >> that being given the HOTU. Either way the PR Beyonder power > HOTU. Doom wasn't trying to kill Cap? Even when he achieved godhood again in Avengers Childrens crusade, Doom absorbed magic from Chnthon called the Life Force that gave him the HOM Scarlet Witches powers (reality waping, extremely powerful magic) and he didn't intend to harm anyone. He killed by accident. Then the spell-portal was still open so Wiccan and Wanda closed it and basically ended the completion of the spell. That makes more sense than Doom being outsmarted and not accounting for things that he himself has done. Anyways moving on...
 

However on the vine there is no CIS in the current battles

I know this. Thanos has also lost only because of CIS. Like when Warlock turned him to stone. A power Warlock does not have. Or Nebula, while almost dead, stole the gauntlet. Or Thanos willfully giving the HOTU back to recreate the universe. CIS has hurt Thanos also

No argument there but it's once you've beaten the game there's nothing to do but play it again. Doom CIS was monumental. Losing the omnipotence of the extra-dimension practically the same way he attained it. If he'd have lost it willingly like Thanos it would have made more sense. "it" being godlyhood. Even the retcon was stupid.
 
 

Here, objectively, the team's prep feats overwhelm Thanos

If this battle had a 10 minute time limit then I may agree with you. But this is a month. In a month, both teams can create whatever they imagine. So until a scenario is given that Thanos can't counter with a month's time, i call stalemate. Both teams will steal or negate power to no end.

 
Possibly a stalemate but Thanos cant use magic, didn't do so hot against Strange, who's a shell of what he used to be and he's horrified of Adam Warlock. Magic is a weakness to even the most powerful characters. Doom is in no short supply of it being second only to Strange. Even with equal preparation time and higher tech, Doom's magic and tech paired with Reeds should be at least formidable and I see them pulling a victory, convincingly too.

Dooms magic was rendered useless by Bruce Banner. A feat Thanos can easily replicate given his track record,

Doom solos in my opinion. He's a better, more interesting character than all of the three.  
 
And in my book,  HOTU is Mary Sue, PIS, off the rails, hyperbolic storytelling at its worst. 

So, uh, Thanos is the one expressly forbidden from using the Gauntlet and its parts, correct? If Reed is willing and able to use the Reality Gem, then I could see the team taking this. Wish fulfillment and Doom's stated time cheesing could really do in Thanos in a prep battle, considering Thanos can't use the same tools they can. I feel like with a month of prep time, Doom and Reed could probably get the gauntlet themselves, considering all the gems are on Earth.