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#1 Edited by XiiX (8090 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Doom and Mr. Fantastic
VS

Thanos

-Thanos does not start with the Infinity Gauntlet

-Reed and Doom are willing to cooperate

-Both sides have 1 month of prep.

-Both sides are oblivious to the other's whereabouts

#2 Posted by mk111 (3140 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep time, I'll give this to Doom and Richards.

#3 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep for Thanos?

Team wins with ease.

#4 Edited by XiiX (8090 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: No, both sides DO have prep.

#5 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: No, both sides DO have prep.

OH!

#6 Posted by dondave (36683 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos ftw, probably collapse's earth sun, or find other means of powwer apart from IG

#7 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

#8 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

If Thanos uses prep to collapse the sun, Dr. Doom can just use a spell to reverse the effect.

#9 Posted by dondave (36683 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: he die before he could cast the spell

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

#11 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2879 posts) - - Show Bio

I say going by prep feats, Thanos should win this. He has universal conquering/destroying feats.

#12 Posted by beautifulrevery (1507 posts) - - Show Bio

1 month prep? Reed creates a Thanos-begone gun while Doom provides funding. Or a defense array around Earth so Thanos can't even enter the battlefield. Pre-BFR.

Doom obtains a cosmic cube and curbstomps Thanos that way or he becomes Sorcerer Supreme again and BFR's Thanos in a split second.

#13 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: he die before he could cast the spell

Doubt it...

We're talking about Doom.

The guy who lived from the beginning of time itself.

He probably watched a lot of stars collapse and birthed and he's still alive.

#14 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

The Team wins. Thanos is good but you could argue Dr Dooms feats are better or just as good as Thanos alone. Willing to cooperate with Reed, between Magic and technology of the 2 best minds on earth and 2 of the top 4 in the UNIVERSE (non-cosmic)... They win and convincingly.

#15 Posted by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos w/ease.

#16 Edited by comicace3 (4887 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos outclasses both with prep. But at the same time? This could be close.

#17 Posted by heroesgold (608 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with Thanos.

#18 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone plan on explaining why they think Thanos wins or is it like how Hulk beats Thor? (Fanboys being morons)

#19 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Only way Thanos wins is by physically fighting Doom with his bare fist.

That it...

Everything else goes to Doom.

#20 Posted by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Does anyone plan on explaining why they think Thanos wins or is it like how Hulk beats Thor? (Fanboys being morons)

Does it really need to be. Thanos prep feats trump theirs easily. Thanos trumps them physically, mentally and dwarfs in raw power and abilities.

#21 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos doesn't have a single feat better than something Victor has done with LESS prep and less tech. Thanos is durable yes but Doom is as well between his shields and magic. Immune to telepathy. Thanos maybe physically superior to Doom as well as technologically superior due to a lack of tech being human but mentally not so much, prep wise not at all, and mystically not even close.

#22 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

#23 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos' prep = An entire arc to gain the Infinity Gems into a Gauntlet

Doom's prep = One page to steal Beyonder's power

#24 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos was given the HOTU Doctor Doom stole the Powers from the PR Beyonder Thanos took an entire arc to get the IG Doom took 1 comic to absorb the power of Chnthin Thanos is terrified of Adam Warlock Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG. Thanos get owned by Odin Doom defeated Asgard Thanos and Doom have both bested Galactus and Silver Surfer Doom killed a Watcher, Doom defeated Dormammu, Doom defeated PR Molecule Man

#25 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Thanos was given the HOTU Doctor Doom stole the Powers from the PR Beyonder Thanos took an entire arc to get the IG Doom took 1 comic to absorb the power of Chnthin Thanos is terrified of Adam Warlock Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG. Thanos get owned by Odin Doom defeated Asgard Thanos and Doom have both bested Galactus and Silver Surfer Doom killed a Watcher, Doom defeated Dormammu, Doom defeated PR Molecule Man

"Doom not only defeat Warlock AND Magus, they snuck up on him WITH IG"

And Quasar was just watching in disbelief! He was soo scared of Doom, he couldn't use the Ultimate Nullifier! LOL

#26 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

Haha I know it must have been disconcertingb

#27 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

#28 Posted by Bo88gdan (4401 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos wins

#29 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

That was with the HOTU? Means nothing it's the same feat so yes, Dooms feats are just as good if not better.

#30 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

The Infinity Gaunlet took Thanos quite some time to aquire and the HOTU was basically handed to him. I also wouldn't call either more impressive than what Reed or Doom has done. Oh, and IIRC, both Reed and Doom have gotten their hands on an Infinty Gaunlet, so...

Doom took about 24 hours to steal the Beyonder's powers. Reed has breached literal Heaven to get Thing back.

Together, Reed and Doom REGULARLY defeat Celestials and the like. Thanos doesn't do that.

#31 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Edited by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@80sBaby said:

Doom and Reed. They have better prep-feats than Thanos.

No they don't

They're feats, while working as a team, are better than Thanos'.

Better than these feats.

The Infinity Gaunlet took Thanos quite some time to aquire and the HOTU was basically handed to him. I also wouldn't call either more impressive than what Reed or Doom has done. Oh, and IIRC, both Reed and Doom have gotten their hands on an Infinty Gaunlet, so...

Doom took about 24 hours to steal the Beyonder's powers. Reed has breached literal Heaven to get Thing back.

Together, Reed and Doom REGULARLY defeat Celestials and the like. Thanos doesn't do that.

I guess

#34 Posted by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

#35 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@First_Last said:

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/question-about-thanos-and-when-he-absorbed-all-things/742379/#5

#36 Posted by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Not really sure why you posted the link. If you would like to clarify thatd be great. I wont read that just to guess at what you were implying afterward lol. I mean I assume your disagreeing w/something?

#37 Edited by ImBoredLetsDebate (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@First_Last said:

Thanos has taken over and beaten the universe several times. Reed and Doom have Celestials. Thanos has beaten the cosmic host including LT. Reed and Doom have not. Thanos absorbed power belonging to TOAA in mere moments. Doom has Beyonder... As far as prep feats they have nothing that compares too Thanos. I would certainly hope that prepping to beat an entity would take less time then taking over the universe. However they never stated how long Thanos Quest took. For all we know it couldve been in less than 24 hrs. The only potential edge the team has is mysticism. However I,m not sure thats even an edge. Thanos at minimum has 300 plus yrs expertise via his tutalage from Death herself. Thanos has discerned and reversed engineered magic in moments-see Thanos imperative. Magics there best tool and Thanos has a pretty good trac record against.

Thanos wins w/ease.

I don't know too much, but what I do know is that Doom has taken over the universe. Doom has beaten cosmic hosts. PR-Beyonder = TOAA and > LT. PR-Beyonder came before TOAA was created and was basically the original TOAA if I have read correctly, and Doom stole his power. Their prep feats do trump Thanos'. As someone has already stated, it took Thanos an Arc to get the IG; it took a page for Doom to take PR-Beyonder's powers.

#38 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@First_Last: Thanos won't win. He constantly watches out for Doom in fear that Doom would prep against him, but what Thanos doesn't know, is that Doom doesn't need prep. Lastly, Thanos can time hop prep by using his chair. Very advance alien technology.

However, Doom can time hop prep too by generating a Time Cube with just a gesture.

.

Time Cube spell
Uses it to rebuild his kingdom in a second
#39 Posted by pooty (11059 posts) - - Show Bio

Name one thing that The Team can come up with that Thanos can't counter. Name one thing that Thanos can come up with that the team can't counter. Both sides will render all power, energy, magic, null and void. All energy/power can be stolen or negated and that is exactly what will happen here. So that leaves 2 humans vs an external. THanos wins

#40 Posted by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImBoredLetsDebate:

Your first statement said it all.

#41 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@First_Last said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate:

Your first statement said it all.

Nice argument you have there. I bet you never lose debates.

#42 Posted by pooty (11059 posts) - - Show Bio

You can not tell how long something took merely by looking at how many pages it took. Just because one feat is performed in 3 pages does NOT mean the feat was performed quicker then a feat that took 9 pages. If it does not specifically say how long something took, you are merely guessing.

#43 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:
You can not tell how long something took merely by looking at how many pages it took. Just because one feat is performed in 3 pages does NOT mean the feat was performed quicker then a feat that took 9 pages. If it does not specifically say how long something took, you are merely guessing.
I think what he/she's saying is that the time that had gone by in the comic, while unknown is subject to the only variables we knew (ie: locations, circumstances and conversations). When Doom does his feats in a few pages, Thanos' come from arcs or long drawnout stories. The illusion of time is stretched to days between 3 pages whereas 60 pages might be months. Anyways nothing Thanos has done is greater than Doom as I've previously posted. Victor took on the most powerful comic character in history and prevailed. Thanos was handed the HOTU which would still not have defeated that Beyonder (being from outside the multiverse).
 
Dooms greatest weakness is his overconfidence. Doom has lost fights merely because hes the villain, just like any other character. When fans were outraged that these characters that are villains are achieving outrages and amazing feats but then losing because of CIS the writers decided to have a character to prevail. Thanos. However on the vine there is no CIS in the current battles. There is no PlS like Bp armbarring Silver Surfer, Superman losing to Batman in a random encounter or Hulk crushing Stranges hands... 
 
Thanos' feats are extremely impressive. What they are not, is something we haven't seen before from Classic Strange, Doctor Doom, Adam Warlock, Reed Richards... etc... The difference is the bad guys lost in those days... Here, objectively, the team's prep feats overwhelm Thanos'. He does not have a single feat greater than what we've seen before besides being allowed by writers to prevail for the sake of fans wanting the CIS to end. Plain and simple.
#44 Posted by pooty (11059 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermanwithatan01: When Doom does his feats in a few pages, Thanos' come from arcs or long drawnout stories. The illusion of time is stretched to days between 3 pages whereas 60 pages might be months.

Still does not tell how us how fast the feats were completed.

Victor took on the most powerful comic character in history and prevailed.

Incorrect. Doom couldn't invent anything to steal Beyonders power under his own ability. He stole tech from Galactus first.

Thanos was handed the HOTU which would still not have defeated that Beyonder

Doom stole power from a being who was naive and pretty dumb. Thanos outsmarted all knowing and all seeing beings. also even with the beyonder's power, Doom couldn't even keep Cap America down. Doom can't handle that type of power. Thanos mastered the HOTU.

However on the vine there is no CIS in the current battles

I know this. Thanos has also lost only because of CIS. Like when Warlock turned him to stone. A power Warlock does not have. Or Nebula, while almost dead, stole the gauntlet. Or Thanos willfully giving the HOTU back to recreate the universe. CIS has hurt Thanos also

Here, objectively, the team's prep feats overwhelm Thanos

If this battle had a 10 minute time limit then I may agree with you. But this is a month. In a month, both teams can create whatever they imagine. So until a scenario is given that Thanos can't counter with a month's time, i call stalemate. Both teams will steal or negate power to no end.

#45 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos...

#46 Posted by ToO_RaW (1116 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3664 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@Supermanwithatan01: When Doom does his feats in a few pages, Thanos' come from arcs or long drawnout stories. The illusion of time is stretched to days between 3 pages whereas 60 pages might be months.

Still does not tell how us how fast the feats were completed.

Victor took on the most powerful comic character in history and prevailed.

Incorrect. Doom couldn't invent anything to steal Beyonders power under his own ability. He stole tech from Galactus first.


 
I didn't say Doom invented something. I said he prevailed. The fact is he beat 1 bully with another bullies weapons and robbed both of their power. Thats saying something in itself.
 
 
 

Thanos was handed the HOTU which would still not have defeated that Beyonder

Doom stole power from a being who was naive and pretty dumb. Thanos outsmarted all knowing and all seeing beings. also even with the beyonder's power, Doom couldn't even keep Cap America down. Doom can't handle that type of power. Thanos mastered the HOTU.


Thanos used patience and was "guided" to that power. He was given the power. Doom fought valiantly and stalemated the Beyonder until he could siphon the power with Galactus and Klaws tech. The Beyonder was naive, I admit that, but I wouldn't call him stupid. A creature that can't be killed wouldn't believe killing was "right" or "wrong", the simply wouldn't have a conception of it. The Beyonder wanted to learn from the Universe. Doom was clever enough to do this, then was himself tricked into losing the power. That makes little to no sense, especially for a character like Doom. However in those days the BAD GUYS NEVER WON. Plain and Simpler. I believe that feat is >> that being given the HOTU. Either way the PR Beyonder power > HOTU. Doom wasn't trying to kill Cap? Even when he achieved godhood again in Avengers Childrens crusade, Doom absorbed magic from Chnthon called the Life Force that gave him the HOM Scarlet Witches powers (reality waping, extremely powerful magic) and he didn't intend to harm anyone. He killed by accident. Then the spell-portal was still open so Wiccan and Wanda closed it and basically ended the completion of the spell. That makes more sense than Doom being outsmarted and not accounting for things that he himself has done. Anyways moving on...
 

However on the vine there is no CIS in the current battles

I know this. Thanos has also lost only because of CIS. Like when Warlock turned him to stone. A power Warlock does not have. Or Nebula, while almost dead, stole the gauntlet. Or Thanos willfully giving the HOTU back to recreate the universe. CIS has hurt Thanos also


No argument there but it's once you've beaten the game there's nothing to do but play it again. Doom CIS was monumental. Losing the omnipotence of the extra-dimension practically the same way he attained it. If he'd have lost it willingly like Thanos it would have made more sense. "it" being godlyhood. Even the retcon was stupid.
 
 


Here, objectively, the team's prep feats overwhelm Thanos

If this battle had a 10 minute time limit then I may agree with you. But this is a month. In a month, both teams can create whatever they imagine. So until a scenario is given that Thanos can't counter with a month's time, i call stalemate. Both teams will steal or negate power to no end.


 
Possibly a stalemate but Thanos cant use magic, didn't do so hot against Strange, who's a shell of what he used to be and he's horrified of Adam Warlock. Magic is a weakness to even the most powerful characters. Doom is in no short supply of it being second only to Strange. Even with equal preparation time and higher tech, Doom's magic and tech paired with Reeds should be at least formidable and I see them pulling a victory, convincingly too.


#48 Posted by ToO_RaW (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Dooms magic was rendered useless by Bruce Banner. A feat Thanos can easily replicate given his track record,

#49 Posted by Twitless (35 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom solos in my opinion. He's a better, more interesting character than all of the three.  
 
And in my book,  HOTU is Mary Sue, PIS, off the rails, hyperbolic storytelling at its worst. 

#50 Edited by Dredeuced (5510 posts) - - Show Bio

So, uh, Thanos is the one expressly forbidden from using the Gauntlet and its parts, correct? If Reed is willing and able to use the Reality Gem, then I could see the team taking this. Wish fulfillment and Doom's stated time cheesing could really do in Thanos in a prep battle, considering Thanos can't use the same tools they can. I feel like with a month of prep time, Doom and Reed could probably get the gauntlet themselves, considering all the gems are on Earth.