Can Despero physically and forcfully remove the Juggernaut's helmet and win via mind-rape? Is there another method he can win? You tell me.
Or does the Juggernaut pound him into paste before any of this can happen?
All comments welcome
Can Despero physically and forcfully remove the Juggernaut's helmet and win via mind-rape? Is there another method he can win? You tell me.
Or does the Juggernaut pound him into paste before any of this can happen?
All comments welcome
Despero > 10 Juggernauts. This guy slaps Superman around like a ragdoll.Doesn't matter how hard he slaps anyone around, he would generally win due to his TP, he's not gonna win by force over Juggernaut.
@starkwood said:Pretty much, but I think if he got the helmet off he could mind rape Cain.Despero > 10 Juggernauts. This guy slaps Superman around like a ragdoll.Doesn't matter how hard he slaps anyone around, he would generally win due to his TP, he's not gonna win by force over Juggernaut.
If he can get the helmet off of Juggernaut then he wins. If Despero can mind rape Martian Manhunter then he could do it Juggernaut.
If he can get the helmet off of Juggernaut then he wins. If Despero can mind rape Martian Manhunter then he could do it Juggernaut.Well it doesn't matter. Classic Juggernaut would lose, current would lose even worse. He would throw him around like a rag doll. The only two Juggernaut versions that I can think of that would win easily is 8th day and Trion.
Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.
It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.
@theicon: By removing his helmet?Won't kill him. The Juggernaut is physically invulnerable and immortal. He can be incapacitated by mental attacks, but he can't be killed.
the problem with this is eventhough despero has mental powers, no matter how powerful it is, he still needs to get into the maze of marko's mind. he needs to know who marko is before he can use anything against him... the only person who knows marko is xavier... and jean knows him too through xavier... what other telepath has defeated the juggernaut??? nightmare was a telepath, d'spayre is one, strange is one, magneto is somewhat, oblivion was, and so was stranger... yet, non of them besides jean grey and xavier are the only telepath to stop the juggernaut.Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.
@Lance Uppercut: But couldn't Despero do basically what Onslaught did to Juggernaut?no, because onslaught was xavier... he knew cain from the inside out, cased illusions and tricked cain's mind to being entrapped back into the crimson cosmos. so cain was absorbed back (i say back because he's been there before) into the crimson cosmos. xavier plot this (prep-timed this event) through dreams of marko days before.... in a figure trying to recruit the juggernaut, but juggernaut declined and xavier needed him out of the way.
@Dark Cloud™ said:Don't try to play up his mind as thought it's an intricate thing. He had his helmet against Nightmare and D'spayre, oblivion never utilized mental abilities (not that he should have needed them considering Oblivion is an abstract idea, more powerful then mystical might in many cases), Magneto never really utilized his telepathy (not that he tried it on Cain either). They tried because, well, they had the helmet off.the problem with this is eventhough despero has mental powers, no matter how powerful it is, he still needs to get into the maze of marko's mind. he needs to know who marko is before he can use anything against him... the only person who knows marko is xavier... and jean knows him too through xavier... what other telepath has defeated the juggernaut??? nightmare was a telepath, d'spayre is one, strange is one, magneto is somewhat, oblivion was, and so was stranger... yet, non of them besides jean grey and xavier are the only telepath to stop the juggernaut.Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.
yup jean was helping juggernaut until juggernaut started tripping out and ran out of the room (without his helmet) and into the office of xavier...
@Lance Bastro said:well magneto did try it on blob, but i guess the reason it didn't work was because blobs mind is like a broken T1-82 lol@Dark Cloud™ said:Don't try to play up his mind as thought it's an intricate thing. He had his helmet against Nightmare and D'spayre, oblivion never utilized mental abilities (not that he should have needed them considering Oblivion is an abstract idea, more powerful then mystical might in many cases), Magneto never really utilized his telepathy (not that he tried it on Cain either). They tried because, well, they had the helmet off.the problem with this is eventhough despero has mental powers, no matter how powerful it is, he still needs to get into the maze of marko's mind. he needs to know who marko is before he can use anything against him... the only person who knows marko is xavier... and jean knows him too through xavier... what other telepath has defeated the juggernaut??? nightmare was a telepath, d'spayre is one, strange is one, magneto is somewhat, oblivion was, and so was stranger... yet, non of them besides jean grey and xavier are the only telepath to stop the juggernaut.Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.
@Lance Uppercut said:Teams like the X-Men couldn't beat him otherwise.@Lance Bastro said:well magneto did try it on blob, but i guess the reason it didn't work was because blobs mind is like a broken T1-82 lol@Dark Cloud™ said:Don't try to play up his mind as thought it's an intricate thing. He had his helmet against Nightmare and D'spayre, oblivion never utilized mental abilities (not that he should have needed them considering Oblivion is an abstract idea, more powerful then mystical might in many cases), Magneto never really utilized his telepathy (not that he tried it on Cain either). They tried because, well, they had the helmet off.the problem with this is eventhough despero has mental powers, no matter how powerful it is, he still needs to get into the maze of marko's mind. he needs to know who marko is before he can use anything against him... the only person who knows marko is xavier... and jean knows him too through xavier... what other telepath has defeated the juggernaut??? nightmare was a telepath, d'spayre is one, strange is one, magneto is somewhat, oblivion was, and so was stranger... yet, non of them besides jean grey and xavier are the only telepath to stop the juggernaut.Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.
well that is true that he did have his helmet on fighting these guys, but the weird thing is that, when he fights guys like this, his helmet never gets knocked off.... but for some odd reason, the x-men are the only ones that can remove it... (well and hulk) i guess he has bad luck against the x-men like magneto does lol
Despero, if he knows about Juggernaut's weakness. If not, then probably Juggernaut.
What about Juggy's force-field?
Wouldn't Despero have to break that first in order to knock off the helmet, and the question is, can he do that?
@demifiend said:What about Juggy's force-field?Wouldn't Despero have to break that first in order to knock off the helmet, and the question is, can he do that?
@Dark Cloud™ said:
Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.NO!.despero wins both ways easily.
@MagnusTheMagnificent said:@demifiend said:What about Juggy's force-field?Wouldn't Despero have to break that first in order to knock off the helmet, and the question is, can he do that?
@Dark Cloud™ said:
Juggernaut overpowers Despero physically, but Despero overpowers Juggernaut mentally.It's a hard call at 50/50. I'll give it to Juggernaut on account of the mess I've seen him go through.NO!.despero wins both ways easily.yes, it is because the forcefield. but even if juggernaut was distracted enough to not will the forcefield's probability features on, and that desparo does remove the helmet; it would have to take desparto probably a whole day to walk around the maze of cain's mind.... but the problem is! he would have to do two things at the same time, try to beat juggernaut's mind PLUS trying to fight him off physically and that's almost impossible for desparo if he doesn't have a team helping him out.juggernaut's mind is a huge puzzle that only xavier and jean know the shortcuts:eventhough despero has mental powers, no matter how powerful it is, he still needs to get into the maze of marko's mind. he needs to know who marko is before he can use anything against him... the only person who knows marko is xavier... and jean knows him too through xavier... what other telepath has defeated the juggernaut??? nightmare was a telepath, d'spayre is one, strange is one, magneto is somewhat, oblivion was, and so was stranger... yet, non of them besides jean grey and xavier are the only telepath to stop the juggernaut.
When Professor X and Jean entered Cain’s mind they did it with the intent to stop him and possibly help him, not to harm him. Despero would not be so nice, IF he can remove Juggernaut’s helmet he would most likely simply fry his brain and turn him into a vegetable. Has Cain ever survived that type of assault? It seemed that Onslaught did something similar. Onslaught having some of Charles still in his head may have felt some remorse if he tried to kill Cain, but that’s just speculation
Despero is a telepath that has far more mental power than Professor X and Jean combined. He is also far stronger than Superman, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel combined. I believe his physical strength is on even terms with The Juggernaut. The only advantage that I can see Cain having in just a H2H fight are his seemingly unbreakable force fields provided by Cyttorak, Cain does not get hurt often. Despero also has a vast array of other abilities that may give him a way to win here. Can the use of one or more of those other powers enable him to cut off Juggernaut’s force fields like Thor did? Can he use these powers to remove the helmet? Can he use them to penetrate the helmet or even the force field? I don’t know J
He was easily able to take arguably the most powerful all around JLA members who happened to be one of the most powerful psychic beings, the Martian Manhunter. He completely dominated him in every aspect of his fighting game and would have easily killed him if he was not shielded from Despero’s Pyrokinetic mind blast (Mental fire bolt). Not to mention the rest of the JLA.
Another thing I wanted to note that Cyttorak empowers Juggernaut with his destructive side, he wants Cain to cause as much destruction in his name as possible to spread his fame. Despero has already surpassed Cain in that aspect, he is feared throughout the DCU by almost every race of beings. Would Cyttorak see this as say “hmm it’s time for a new Juggernaut” and simply leave Cain to die at the hands of his glorious replacement?
Just some thought, as always all comments are welcome.
P.S can someone tell me how to break down the quotes of a post :P
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