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#1 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

only a telepathy battle

Who wins

#2 Edited by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

What feats does Despereo?

#3 Posted by dondave (35911 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero

#4 Posted by dondave (35911 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010: Beating Martian Manhunter telepathically in basically all of their encounter's and also taking over his mind (which couldn't be accomplished by 9 Nine amped White Martians) during Crisis of Conscience

#5 Posted by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Despero

What feats does Despereo?

#6 Posted by Juiceboks (8343 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero should take this.

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#7 Posted by New_World_Order (12895 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero.

#8 Edited by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@roddy010: Beating Martian Manhunter telepathically in basically all of their encounter's and also taking over his mind (which couldn't be accomplished by 9 Nine amped White Martians) during Crisis of Conscience

Ok gotcha. This is very impressive but I honestly have seen nothing that say MM is superior to Xavier. Despero beating MM is his best feat?

#9 Posted by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

this would be a hell of a fight I don't know who wins I want to say Charles but I can't say for sure.

#10 Edited by ferventking (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: didn't MM just own Desparo in a TP fight?

#11 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by dondave (35911 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: didn't MM just own Desparo in a TP fight?

That's in the New 52, previously Despero has shown to be a more powerful telepath than Martian Manhunter

#13 Posted by WillPayton (9304 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 said:

What feats does Despereo?

After this fight, his feats will include completely destroying Xavier.

Despero made Martian Manhunter, who is more powerful at TP than Xavier, drool. Despero would crush Xavier and all the X-Men at the same time.

#14 Edited by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

Xavier has probed the mind of beyonder and pushed his way into galactus mind while carrying the consciousness of billions of skrulls while sitting on a distant moon and all of the early onslaught feats were basically just Xavier's full potential mimicking magneto's powers.

#15 Posted by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: This proves nothing my friend. I have yet to see a feat that puts MM above Xavier. Despero defeating him, though impressive, doesn't constitute a win for him.

#16 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 said:

@willpayton: This proves nothing my friend. I have yet to see a feat that puts MM above Xavier. Despero defeating him, though impressive, doesn't constitute a win for him.

hmm. could you show proof and reasons for why you think xavier is better than despero?

#17 Posted by Wardemon32 (4140 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do these people feel that Xavier is better?

#18 Posted by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 said:

@willpayton: This proves nothing my friend. I have yet to see a feat that puts MM above Xavier. Despero defeating him, though impressive, doesn't constitute a win for him.

hmm. could you show proof and reasons for why you think xavier is better than despero?

When did I say this?

Anyways if you want feats I can post a few.

#19 Posted by WillPayton (9304 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 said:

@willpayton: This proves nothing my friend. I have yet to see a feat that puts MM above Xavier. Despero defeating him, though impressive, doesn't constitute a win for him.

Courtesy @killemall:

Justice League of America #64: J'onn/Bloodwynd breaks through Starbreaker's (the dude who can consume the energy of suns like J'onn consumes cookies) psychic defenses and probes his mind to uncover his history until the latter manages to eject him with some effort.

JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare #2: Telepathically scouring the minds of everyone on Earth; nearly all of them had superpowers courtesy of Dr. Destiny's reality warping.

JLA #15: Forces the Joker to become sane for a while. Joker at the time was in possession of the Worlogog, an object that can warp time and space on a massive scale (Hourman has used it to freeze an entire universe still, and Extant has repeatedly used it to make reality his b!tch) and was using it to create a ten thousand mile earthquake on the Earth from the Moon. J'onn stepped in and cut off his thoughts from the Worlogog, allowing Flash to snatch it out of his hands.

JLA #21: J'onn was the only member of the League who could shield his mind from the telepathic En'Tarans, who enslaved the rest of the League as well as the entire population of the planet Rann.

JLA #23: Earth is attacked by several Star Conquerors, each one capable of putting an entire continent the size of North America to sleep. J'onn protects Aquaman when one of them starts to invade his mind, and later broadcasts a counter-frequency that forces all the Star Conquerors to leave Earth.

Martian Manhunter #4: Scans the minds of everyone on Earth to find the person who killed his partner on the police force.

Martian Manhunter Annual #2: Gorilla Grodd builds a device that amps his telepathic powers to the point where he's above J'onn in sheer psychic ability; but the Martian still beats him anyway by literally talking Grodd into giving himself brain damage.

JLA #35: Enters the Spectre's mind and forces him onto the astral plane, pulling the rest of the JLA along for the ride.

JLA #40: Breaks through Mageddon's psychic defenses to reach Superman.

JLA #41: Breaking through Mageddon's telepathic defenses again to connect Batman to Superman.

This is one of J'onn's more impressive telepathy feats because Mageddon was an extremely powerful telepath. To put the feat of getting past its psychic defenses into perspective, these are some of the things Mageddon has done: practically destroying Hector Hammond's (a planetary-scale telepath) mind, causing two wars to break out in the space of five minutes, forcing an entire planet full of the Old Gods (a single Old God could reality warp everyone on Earth to give them powers) to kill each other, driving everyone on Earth out of their minds with rage and fear and making them go to war, and with the exception of that last feat, all the others were done while Mageddon was light years away from its target.

#20 Posted by Pokeysteve (8232 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read much X-Men but doesn't Xavier often use a machine to enhance his abilities?

#21 Edited by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio

I am among many who see Xavier as the superior telepath, for me it was partial to @comic_book_fan 's explanation.

#22 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

I am among many who see Xavier as the superior telepath, for me it was partial to @comic_book_fan 's explanation.

what did you think of the scans ?

#23 Posted by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve:

he used to because it made things easier for him at one time magneto had a electro magnetic field that would hurt Charles if he didn't use cerebro but he never really needed it and has been able to probe the minds of everyone on earth since he was like 10 or 12 I think.

#24 Posted by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Edited by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero stomps here.

#26 Edited by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd take the professor,,in a tuff fight

#31 Posted by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Already said why. No need to say more when Xavier's best feats were provided by @comic_book_fan. I'm limited to do things on my phone.

#32 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Already said why. No need to say more when Xavier's best feats were provided by @comic_book_fan. I'm limited to do things on my phone.

he had basically reading the minds of galactus. martian manhunter has touched the mind of spectre

#33 Edited by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Cool, and I don't see Spectre as more powerful than Galactus. What's your point?

#34 Edited by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

he probed beyonder's mind as well beyonder was more powerful than spectre at the time

#35 Edited by WillPayton (9304 posts) - - Show Bio

Xavier has probed the mind of beyonder and pushed his way into galactus mind while carrying the consciousness of billions of skrulls while sitting on a distant moon and all of the early onslaught feats were basically just Xavier's full potential mimicking magneto's powers.

Scans?

"Probing" the mind of Beyonder might or might not be a good feat. If Beyonder didnt care what Xavier did then he might not have had any defenses in place, which would make it a non-feat.

#36 Posted by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

it was a retcon feat but it took place during secret wars.

and he probed the mind of every living thing in the universe for a brief moment this was un related to the beyonder feat and was for a very short time and caused him great pain but he did it so it shows it was in his power.

#37 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero wins, Xavier's max is higher than despero, possibly much higher but he never goes max, and is often captured by the Likes of shadow king

#38 Edited by Dextersinister (5920 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

it was a retcon feat but it took place during secret wars.

and he probed the mind of every living thing in the universe for a brief moment this was un related to the beyonder feat and was for a very short time and caused him great pain but he did it so it shows it was in his power.

These are funny feats that in context aren't always a measure of telepathic power. Normally skill.

This is the same Xavier that had his powers blocked by devices a bunch of school kids acquire and a few writers have actually shown him requiring all his concentration to fully control one person, control not influence. Funnily enough you won't find those on his respect thread

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#39 Posted by chiq (1932 posts) - - Show Bio

Can people show some of Xavier's best feats? I feel like he is being underrated here...battling dark phoenix on infinite planes of existence, making phoenix Namor, Thor, etc.. sleep with minimun effort. Gathering the thoughts and feelings of the entire skrull home world, Onslaught.

#40 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

Xavier would be awesome as a Phoenix Force avatar.

#41 Edited by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

everyone has low showings if you look iam sure manhunter has equally bad showings you got to look at more recent and how they are usually depicted and if you look at it like that manhunter and Charles are at least equals not to mention when Xavier got his powers back after the onslaught he read every thought that ever was thought in the marvel universe.

#42 Edited by Dextersinister (5920 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:Telepathy within the Marvel universe in general has been weakened considerably because it's so prevalent and if it worked just as it says on the tin for the good guys it would ruin all the stories so the writers have been nerfing it considerably with people immune or resistant for the any old reason such as Deadpool or Magik to Tony casually tossing a device in AvsX that shocked a telepath if they attempted to use there powers, there was an entire thread dedicated to this subject on comic book resources.

In MM case he does have some of the similar low showings, for instance the classic somethings blocking my telepathy but more often than not they treated him like classic Xavier sitting back at the base watching screens to avoid auto-winning the battles. The DC universes lack of telepathy among the heroes means they didn't have to resort to Marvels measures.

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#43 Posted by Saren (25558 posts) - - Show Bio

when Xavier got his powers back after the onslaught he read every thought that ever was thought in the marvel universe.

Nothing of the sort happened. The narration said Xavier "felt like he'd been dumped into a pit containing every thought in the universe" as a way to express his pain, fanboys who have no idea how metaphor works immediately started claiming he read every thought in the universe.

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#44 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

when Xavier got his powers back after the onslaught he read every thought that ever was thought in the marvel universe.

Nothing of the sort happened. The narration said Xavier "felt like he'd been dumped into a pit containing every thought in the universe" as a way to express his pain, fanboys who have no idea how metaphor works immediately started claiming he read every thought in the universe.

wow thats a huge jump to make based on the narration

#45 Posted by comic_book_fan (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

what ever he still can match the Martian feat by feat so he is at least equals with him plus he can effect the minds of animals and still probe your mind and use his powers while unconscious I have never seen the Martian do either of those things.

#46 Posted by dondave (35911 posts) - - Show Bio

what ever he still can match the Martian feat by feat so he is at least equals with him plus he can effect the minds of animals and still probe your mind and use his powers while unconscious I have never seen the Martian do either of those things.

He did it in JLA Classified #52

#47 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: wonder if you'll get a touche atleast this time

#48 Posted by TDK_1997 (14648 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero should be able to do it.

#49 Posted by XiiX (7883 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero.

I'm not convinced that Xavier would be able to take Martian Manhunter, let alone Despero.

#50 Posted by Thanofleeze (2563 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Xavier have trouble with Shadow King?

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