Defeat Wally West (Speedforce)--a challenge

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#1  Edited By jasraj
 
 
 

it's come to our attention that this character in the speed force wins alot of the battle threads, well now, you have to beat him, BUT, YOU ARE NOT ALOUD TO USE ZOOM OR ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE FLASH FAMILY, i hope i made myself clear, defeat Wally in a city area whilst in the speed force, and try and pick a character less powerful as possible, no overpowering like hell, just try and use the least powerful character you can......go
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#2  Edited By Theodore

...Zoom?
 
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#3  Edited By Theodore

so we need to pick someone who can beat him while he has the whole speed force and can't use flash family?

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#4  Edited By jasraj
@Theodore said:
"so we need to pick someone who can beat him while he has the whole speed force and can't use flash family? "

No Flash family, and no Zoom
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#5  Edited By Susanoo

Thor with Destroyer armor and his Time abilities 

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#6  Edited By jasraj
@Susanoo said:
"Thor with Destroyer armor and his Time abilities  "

I said least powerful
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#7  Edited By velle37

Parallax......
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#8  Edited By slimj87d

Martian Manhunter via Telepathy.

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#9  Edited By Susanoo
@jasraj said:
"@Susanoo said:
"Thor with Destroyer armor and his Time abilities  "

I said least powerful "

I think that is the least powerful.
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#10  Edited By jasraj
@velle37 said:
"Parallax...... "

How can he keep up with Wally?
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#11  Edited By Silver2467

Do morals apply for Wally?

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#12  Edited By Achilles.

Makkari

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#13  Edited By jasraj
@Silver2467 said:
"Do morals apply for Wally? "

No
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#14  Edited By Silver2467
@Achilles. said:
" Makkari "
Loses. 
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#15  Edited By Achilles.

Void from Wildstorm. She can slow down Wally

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#16  Edited By Silver2467

Can my character have prep? Or use any equipment they have at their disposal?

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#17  Edited By industrious

Deadman. Or Cloak.
 
Since they're both intangible, Wally can't do all that much, and then the two can, eventually, either possess him or envelop him inside his cloak.

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#18  Edited By whacknasty

Wow...no speedsters and no demi god like types....? 
 
Prep time at all? Or just dropped into the city? 
 
This is hard. 
 
lol.

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#19  Edited By jasraj
@whacknasty said:
"Wow...no speedsters and no demi god like types....?  Prep time at all? Or just dropped into the city?  This is hard.  lol. "

No prep time, no speedsters, Morals for Wally are off, no Zoom
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#20  Edited By Achilles.

Martian Manhunter or Vision. 
MM can use his telepathy like he did before and Vision can increase the density of Wally.

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#21  Edited By jasraj
@Achilles. said:
"Martian Manhunter or Vision. MM can use his telepathy like he did before and Vision can increase the density of Wally. "

Can MM even keep up with Wally travelling at such great speeds.
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#22  Edited By velle37
@jasraj said:
"@velle37 said:
"Parallax...... "

How can he keep up with Wally? "

Time-stop, Time-manipulation, Teleportation.........
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#23  Edited By Silver2467
@Silver2467 said:
Or use any equipment they have at their disposal? 
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#24  Edited By jasraj
@Silver2467 said:
"Can my character have prep? Or use any equipment they have at their disposal? "

No
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#25  Edited By jasraj
NO TELEPATHY----new rule, this makes it harder =]
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#26  Edited By Silver2467

Sidious can stalemate him and very possibly defeat him also. 

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#27  Edited By jasraj
@Silver2467 said:
"Sidious can stalemate him and very possibly defeat him also.  "

How?
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#28  Edited By Silver2467
@jasraj said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"Sidious can stalemate him and very possibly defeat him also.  "

How? "
Because morals are off for Flash. He runs in, kills Sidious, and Sidious's Essence leaves his body. There is nothing Wally can do to Sidious's Essence/spirit. At best, he could stalemate him. On top of that, purely as an Essence, Sidious has traveled between planets, such as from Endor to Byss or from Da Soocha V to Byss. Endor is literally half way across the galaxy from Byss, and it only took a year for Sidious to reach it. FTL travel over numerous lightyears and maneuverability as he taunted Luke once suggest he may be able to possess Wally. Flash may or may not be able to see him, if Sidious so chooses.  
 
Stalemate or possession for the win. 
 
(Just for the record, Sidious has relativistic operational speeds. Although, considering Wally can steal speed and move FTL, it makes no difference anyway.)
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#29  Edited By jasraj
@Silver2467 said:
" @jasraj said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"Sidious can stalemate him and very possibly defeat him also.  "

How? "
Because morals are off for Flash. He runs in, kills Sidious, and Sidious's Essence leaves his body. There is nothing Wally can do to Sidious's Essence/spirit. At best, he could stalemate him. On top of that, purely as an Essence, Sidious has traveled between planets, such as from Endor to Byss or from Da Soocha V to Byss. Endor is literally half way across the galaxy from Byss, and it only took a year for Sidious to reach it. FTL travel over numerous lightyears and maneuverability as he taunted Luke once suggest he may be able to possess Wally. Flash may or may not be able to see him, if Sidious so chooses.   Stalemate or possession for the win.  (Just for the record, Sidious has relativistic operational speeds. Although, considering Wally can steal speed and move FTL, it makes no difference anyway.) "

what's the difference if Morals are on?
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#31  Edited By jasraj
@Theodore:
Feats?
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#32  Edited By Silver2467
@jasraj said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @jasraj said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"Sidious can stalemate him and very possibly defeat him also.  "

How? "
Because morals are off for Flash. He runs in, kills Sidious, and Sidious's Essence leaves his body. There is nothing Wally can do to Sidious's Essence/spirit. At best, he could stalemate him. On top of that, purely as an Essence, Sidious has traveled between planets, such as from Endor to Byss or from Da Soocha V to Byss. Endor is literally half way across the galaxy from Byss, and it only took a year for Sidious to reach it. FTL travel over numerous lightyears and maneuverability as he taunted Luke once suggest he may be able to possess Wally. Flash may or may not be able to see him, if Sidious so chooses.   Stalemate or possession for the win.  (Just for the record, Sidious has relativistic operational speeds. Although, considering Wally can steal speed and move FTL, it makes no difference anyway.) "

what's the difference if Morals are on? "
Nothing, really. The only difference is that Essence Transfer would be a failsafe instead of Sidious's only means of victory. As I said, Sidious has light speed operational speed. Understanding that, he could hold out if Wally's morals apply. He could keep up with Flash and attack him with his lightsaber, apply his super strength to land blows on him (possibly but not guaranteed), use Telekinesis, use Force Drain (suck the life energies out of Flash), use Mind Control (although you banned telepathy), etc. If all else fails, Wally defeats Sidious, and he projects his Essence into Flash or any inanimate object in the immediate vicinity. Regardless, once again, it ends in either a stalemate or possession for the win.
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#33  Edited By jasraj
Ok
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#34  Edited By Jezer

@SlimJ87D said:

"Martian Manhunter via Telepathy. "


I once read a user here post that Flash has been able to overcome/resist some type of telepathy by speeding up his thoughts. 
 
I can't validate that, but ask someone who really knows everything Flash is capable of whether telepathy will always work on him.    
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#35  Edited By difficlus
@Achilles. said:
" Martian Manhunter or Vision. MM can use his telepathy like he did before and Vision can increase the density of Wally. "
no wally can accelerate his brain to the point telepathy has no effect. 
Bloodlusted MM won't even know the fight has started by the time he gets KOed and has he's speed stolen.
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#36  Edited By jasraj
Martian Manhunter isn't accomplishing anything
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#37  Edited By difficlus

Um i would say Ice man or Aspen matthews can stalemate him.  
 
@jasraj: why don't you make all these new rules in the OP so everyone who enters the thread knows about it...

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#38  Edited By jasraj
@difficlus said:
"Um i would say Ice man or Aspen matthews can stalemate him.  
 
@jasraj: why don't you make all these new rules in the OP so everyone who enters the thread knows about it... "

I don't think Ice Man is touching him, not sure about Aspen, and alot of people ignore the OP and post straight away, so i thought i would just re-post new rules, it doesn't really matter
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#39  Edited By ThanosIsMad

Squirrel Girl.  Her Jobber Aura would disrupt the Speed Force and trip up Wally so he slides the entire circumference of the planet on his face.

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#40  Edited By jasraj
@ThanosIsMad said:
"Squirrel Girl.  Her Jobber Aura would disrupt the Speed Force and trip up Wally so he slides the entire circumference of the planet on his face. "

Wait is she the one with loads of PIS?
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#41  Edited By kadeem

Plasticman maybe?

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#42  Edited By difficlus
@kadeem said:
" Plasticman maybe? "
gets his speed stolen
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#43  Edited By difficlus
@jasraj said:
" @difficlus said:
"Um i would say Ice man or Aspen matthews can stalemate him.  
 
@jasraj: why don't you make all these new rules in the OP so everyone who enters the thread knows about it... "

I don't think Ice Man is touching him, not sure about Aspen, and alot of people ignore the OP and post straight away, so i thought i would just re-post new rules, it doesn't really matter "
i said stalemate for ice man not a win, as with aspen. and even fewer people bother reading through a thread before posting...
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Can Star Man open a massive black hole?
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#45  Edited By Silver2467
@Jake Fury said:
" Can Star Man open a massive black hole? "
He would have to do that before Wally kills him. 
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@Silver2467 said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" Can Star Man open a massive black hole? "
He would have to do that before Wally kills him.  "

Curses. Damn speedsters.
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#47  Edited By jasraj
@Jake Fury said:
"@Silver2467 said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" Can Star Man open a massive black hole? "
He would have to do that before Wally kills him.  "
Curses. Damn speedsters. "

Yup...lol
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#48  Edited By Silver2467

The problem with fighting Wally is his operational speed is too high. You need someone with relativistic combat speed to even have a chance. Either that, or simply exist in a state in which Wally can never harm you (i.e., Deadman).
 

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Hmmmmmmm........what if he simultaneously protects himself by altering the gravity in the area to slow down Wally and does it?
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#50  Edited By kadeem
@difficlus said:
" @kadeem said:
" Plasticman maybe? "
gets his speed stolen "
I can him Wally doing that, but Wally really couldn't do anything to PM to injure him in a way that he couldn't just instantly heal from.