Thanos with infinity gauntlet, Black Adam, Juggernaut. I win.... must I go on?
Defeat my star wars team
& Black Lantern Scar should be more than enough for this encounter :)
@tronboy said:
Galactus
Thanos
beyonder omnipotent
franklin richards omnipotent
onslaught omnipotent because took FR power
dormammu
mephisto
mephisto feats
Heck just entering Mephisto's realm has the entire pocket dimension he plays the devil in going nuts.
Or him teleporting the Golden Galaxy, a feat that simply blows busting them out of the water by magnitudes of power.
Galactus is not a villian, Frankling Richards is not a villian, the beyonder is netural.
@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
it's not impossible, my team : Abraxas, Protege, Oblivion, Death, Great Evil Beast, can take them down, or at least stalemate if the Beldam spirits are as omnipotent as TOAA and Presence.
So how exactly would they defeat or stalemate TOAA? None are omnipotent, and no matter how much power you add together, unless there's an omnipotent in that team, the team gets stomped.
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@MasterJohn said:
@Sherlock said:
@MasterJohn: I think i can handle this one Thanos With HOTUMad Jim Jaspers Zero Hour Paralax COIE Anti Monitor Emperor Joker Protege Beyonder Powered Dr Doom I could go on but this is overkill as isI don't care if doom is beyonder powered, golden powered, or whatever powered: Doom can NOT resist a force storm. Only force sensitives can.
Beldam Spirits can take on Mad Jim Jaspers, even though he's a reality warper, he is not omnipotent. It entirely depends on the version.
Palpatine dies to thanos and possess him, then finishes off the rest of your team as Thanos.
Beyonder when Doom stole his power was God of the marvel verse.This is Presence Man of Miracles TOAA level.You may not care what how Doom is powered but when your on the level of TOAA your opinion is irrelevant.Doom in the scenario of your team vs mine is God more or less and could solo this without any effort whatsoever.
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is Between TOAA and LT.He doesnt need to kill anyone as he can think them out of existence.Palpatine being able to come back from the dead is irrelevant since Thanos can make it so he never existed at all.He can also solo this
I have no idea what a Bedlam Spirit is but unless they can take on 6 uber powered reality warping godlike being then they are out of their element
If you have no idea what a Bedlam spirit is, you need to be asking for info.
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent beings and could be called gods. Once again, I am still searching for information.
Palpatine has NEVER went out of existence, he simply went to the depths of the force. How long would it take to assure Palpatine never existed? As far as I am concerned, Palpatine can cast a force storm in seconds, sending thanos through space-time and if I am correct making sure Thanos never existed. The reaction and the speed is the factor.
I assumed that by stating that i didnt know what they were you would take the hint and give me some info (Though it doenst seem like you have much).
If you have no idea what a Bedlam spirit is, you need to be asking for info.
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent beings and could be called gods. Once again, I am still searching for information.
Palpatine has NEVER went out of existence, he simply went to the depths of the force. How long would it take to assure Palpatine never existed? As far as I am concerned, Palpatine can cast a force storm in seconds, sending thanos through space-time and if I am correct making sure Thanos never existed. The reaction and the speed is the factor.
OK im going to make note here that you said "Spirits" "Beings" and "gods".All of these are plural.Looking at the Star Wars Wiki page i confirmed that there are in fact more than one of these Bedlams.If that is in fact the case then they are not omnipotent.
In order to be truly omnipotent they would have to be ALL powerful.In order to be all powerful there cant be any competitors of said power.Omnipotence makes you the ultimate power.Since there are more than one of these Bedlams and id say off of the information you have given me that they all have about the same power none of them can be omnipotent.
With that most of my team can still solo
How is it relevant that Palpatine has never been out of existence?Hes never come upon a guy who can rewrite the entire mutiverse with a thought.How long would it take you ask?A thought.
Reaction and speed have no concern when you have this level of power.Thanos with the HOTU is stronger than the Living Tribunal and with a single thought could erase and rewrite the entire universe the fight is in.Palpatine has never shown anything close to that level as far as iv seen.If you want to try to prove otherwise id love to see it.Until he can do something universal level then nothing he will do will ever harm Thanos
@Sherlock said:
@MasterJohn said:I assumed that by stating that i didnt know what they were you would take the hint and give me some info (Though it doenst seem like you have much).If you have no idea what a Bedlam spirit is, you need to be asking for info.
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent beings and could be called gods. Once again, I am still searching for information.
Palpatine has NEVER went out of existence, he simply went to the depths of the force. How long would it take to assure Palpatine never existed? As far as I am concerned, Palpatine can cast a force storm in seconds, sending thanos through space-time and if I am correct making sure Thanos never existed. The reaction and the speed is the factor.
OK im going to make note here that you said "Spirits" "Beings" and "gods".All of these are plural.Looking at the Star Wars Wiki page i confirmed that there are in fact more than one of these Bedlams.If that is in fact the case then they are not omnipotent.
In order to be truly omnipotent they would have to be ALL powerful.In order to be all powerful there cant be any competitors of said power.Omnipotence makes you the ultimate power.Since there are more than one of these Bedlams and id say off of the information you have given me that they all have about the same power none of them can be omnipotent.
With that most of my team can still solo
How is it relevant that Palpatine has never been out of existence?Hes never come upon a guy who can rewrite the entire mutiverse with a thought.How long would it take you ask?A thought.
Reaction and speed have no concern when you have this level of power.Thanos with the HOTU is stronger than the Living Tribunal and with a single thought could erase and rewrite the entire universe the fight is in.Palpatine has never shown anything close to that level as far as iv seen.If you want to try to prove otherwise id love to see it.Until he can do something universal level then nothing he will do will ever harm Thanos
I stopped reading right there. Wookiepedia is NOT canon. Ask for canon information will you? When one of these guys explains the bedlam spirits, I will be sure to tell you how they defeat Thanos. Plus, the sourcebook was clear.
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent. Period
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@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
it's not impossible, my team : Abraxas, Protege, Oblivion, Death, Great Evil Beast, can take them down, or at least stalemate if the Beldam spirits are as omnipotent as TOAA and Presence.
So how exactly would they defeat or stalemate TOAA? None are omnipotent, and no matter how much power you add together, unless there's an omnipotent in that team, the team gets stomped.
Do you have any feats on the bedlam spirits? It's getting hard to debate them without feats.
And because you didnt read my post im finding it very hard to take anything you say seriously.Now you state that you dont even have information on these beings that you are trying to debate for which gives me less reason to take you seriously
If there are more than one of them then they are NOT omnipotent.Sorry thats the way it is.That being the case they are not as powerful of Thanos or Doom right from the get go.Your team loses.Period.
@Sherlock said:
@MasterJohn
And because you didnt read my post im finding it very hard to take anything you say seriously.Now you state that you dont even have information on these beings that you are trying to debate for which gives me less reason to take you seriously If there are more than one of them then they are NOT omnipotent.Sorry thats the way it is.That being the case they are not as powerful of Thanos or Doom right from the get go.Your team loses.Period.
I have information, but not just as much. From what I've seen, they decimated Stormtroopers to ash and bones in a second, and some other things I am trying to find. They should have no problems with Thanos or Doom.
Plus, you are now shifting it from "They aren't omnipotent" to "I'm finding it hard to take you serious" why is that?
@MasterJohn said:
Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, Yoda, Obi Wan Kenobi, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, The Ones, Beldam Spirits, Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Savage Opress, Ventress, Lumiya, Grand Master Luke, Satele Shan, Darth Vader, And Darth Nihilus
Rules: Use only villians from Marvel and D.C. Only villians, Zoom is not aloud.
Both sides get 1 hour of prep.
All of these star wars characters are EU versions.
Now, go.
- Juggernaut (Marvel)
- Magneto (Marvel)
- Stryfe (Marvel)
- Maestro (Marvel)
- Ultron (Marvel)
- New Sun (Marvel)
- Absorbing Man (Marvel)
- Emma Frost (Marvel)
- Hank Henshaw (DC)
- Lobo (DC)
- Sinestro (DC)
- Gorilla Grodd (DC)
- Doctor Light (DC)
- Jericho (DC)
- Eclipso (DC)
- Mirror Master (DC)
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@Floopay said:
@MasterJohn said:
Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, Yoda, Obi Wan Kenobi, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, The Ones, Beldam Spirits, Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Savage Opress, Ventress, Lumiya, Grand Master Luke, Satele Shan, Darth Vader, And Darth Nihilus
Rules: Use only villians from Marvel and D.C. Only villians, Zoom is not aloud.
Both sides get 1 hour of prep.
All of these star wars characters are EU versions.
Now, go.
- Juggernaut (Marvel)
- Magneto (Marvel)
- Stryfe (Marvel)
- Maestro (Marvel)
- Ultron (Marvel)
- New Sun (Marvel)
- Absorbing Man (Marvel)
- Emma Frost (Marvel)
- Hank Henshaw (DC)
Lobo (DC)- Sinestro (DC)
- Gorilla Grodd (DC)
- Doctor Light (DC)
- Jericho (DC)
- Eclipso (DC)
- Mirror Master (DC)
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
think Palpatine can use a force storm against a majority of your team, including Lobo and Juggernaut. Only a force sensitive has resisted one of them. I think the Bedlam spirits would stompEmma, Hank, Sinestro, and doctor light, Jericho, Mirror Master. Why do I say they can do that? They have easily decimated multiple storm troopers.
Bedlam spirits:
Heart Of the Universe:This is the item Thanos has while on my team
I have information, but not just as much. From what I've seen, they decimated Stormtroopers to ash and bones in a second, and some other things I am trying to find. They should have no problems with Thanos or Doom.
Beyonder:This is the Power Dr Doom has.Note that this the Pre Retcon when he obtained the powers
Both of these guys can rewrite the entire multiverse with nothing more than a thought.Taking out Storm Troopers isnt even on the same scale
Plus, you are now shifting it from "They aren't omnipotent" to "I'm finding it hard to take you serious" why is that?
Because you said point blank that you did not read my post.Then posted that the Bedlams are Omnipotent.Period.I find that illogical and have no problem stating so.Its not shifting its replying to what you said
@MasterJohn:
Well if they can beat storm troopers, then how could a kryptonian level being hope to defeat them....
And Sidious's force storm is going to bypass Juggernaut's mystical barrier....how? And he can spend all day force storming Lobo, who has resisted Superman's attacks and heat vision, all day, Lobo will just regenerate back and come right back at him.
Jericho can possess others.
Nobody on your team has any means of defeating Absorbing Man.
Ultron is a robot, so immune to almost anything you can pump out. He is made fully of adamantium, so he will be immune to anything you can pump out. And he has mind control, paralyzing beams, beams that put people into comas, etc. etc.
Hank Henshaw is a cyborg, and he's resisted the Darkseid's Omega Beams in the past, plus he can pretty much render much of your tech useless.
Mirror Master will be nigh-impossible for your team to fight against, as he will be nothing more than thousands of images across the battlefield, and your team will have no means of locating him or stopping him from trapping them in mirrors, or turning them into glass....
Plus you've left quite a bit of my team unaccounted for.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@Floopay said:
Well if they can beat storm troopers, then how could a kryptonian level being hope to defeat them....
Stormtroopers are just an example. Bedlam spirits can turn people's hearts to diamond, and a wide arrange of many other thing.
And Sidious's force storm is going to bypass Juggernaut's mystical barrier....how
Only a Force Sensitive has resisted Force Storm, and that's Luke Skywalker. Juggernaut is not a force sensitive, so I see no reason why Force Storm would fail on him. Luke Skywalker and a few others force sensitive have only been shown to close force storms also.
Luke, Leia, and Anakin join together to override Palpatine's control over his Force Storm, resulting in his death by it.
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Juggernaut is not force sensitive, therefore there is no indication Force Storm would have any trouble with him.
And he can spend all day force storming Lobo, who has resisted Superman's attacks and heat vision, all day, Lobo will just regenerate back and come right back at him.
Once the force storm is open it opens a rift in space-time, and could erase Lobo from existence. How can he simply regenerate from that?
Nobody on your team has any means of defeating Absorbing Man.
What do you know of the Bedlam spirits? This is not an attack, I am just asking.
Ultron is a robot, so immune to almost anything you can pump out. He is made fully of adamantium, so he will be immune to anything you can pump out. And he has mind control, paralyzing beams, beams that put people into comas, etc. etc.
So basically, not even Omnipotent beings, a force storm, or a lightsaber slash can kill him? Im pretty sure a force storm and he's done for.
Hank Henshaw is a cyborg, and he's resisted the Darkseid's Omega Beams in the past, plus he can pretty much render much of your tech useless.
Force storm is not technology. How fast is he? Also, I am pretty confident Palpatine could use force absorbtion against Omega Beams, plus it's not such a great feat to resist Darkseid's beams. Wonder woman has, Superman has, many have.
Mirror Master will be nigh-impossible for your team to fight against, as he will be nothing more than thousands of images across the battlefield, and your team will have no means of locating him or stopping him from trapping them in mirrors, or turning them into glass....
How will he trap palpatine's spirit or the Bedlam spirits, most certainly the Ones (pure incarnations of light and darkness) in mirrors?
@MasterJohn said:
@Floopay said:
Well if they can beat storm troopers, then how could a kryptonian level being hope to defeat them....
Stormtroopers are just an example. Bedlam spirits can turn people's hearts to diamond, and a wide arrange of many other thing.
And Sidious's force storm is going to bypass Juggernaut's mystical barrier....how
Only a Force Sensitive has resisted Force Storm, and that's Luke Skywalker. Juggernaut is not a force sensitive, so I see no reason why Force Storm would fail on him. Luke Skywalker and a few others force sensitive have only been shown to close force storms also.
Luke, Leia, and Anakin join together to override Palpatine's control over his Force Storm, resulting in his death by it.
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Juggernaut is not force sensitive, therefore there is no indication Force Storm would have any trouble with him.
And he can spend all day force storming Lobo, who has resisted Superman's attacks and heat vision, all day, Lobo will just regenerate back and come right back at him.
Once the force storm is open it opens a rift in space-time, and could erase Lobo from existence. How can he simply regenerate from that?
Nobody on your team has any means of defeating Absorbing Man.
What do you know of the Bedlam spirits? This is not an attack, I am just asking.
Ultron is a robot, so immune to almost anything you can pump out. He is made fully of adamantium, so he will be immune to anything you can pump out. And he has mind control, paralyzing beams, beams that put people into comas, etc. etc.
So basically, not even Omnipotent beings, a force storm, or a lightsaber slash can kill him? Im pretty sure a force storm and he's done for.
Hank Henshaw is a cyborg, and he's resisted the Darkseid's Omega Beams in the past, plus he can pretty much render much of your tech useless.
Force storm is not technology. How fast is he? Also, I am pretty confident Palpatine could use force absorbtion against Omega Beams, plus it's not such a great feat to resist Darkseid's beams. Wonder woman has, Superman has, many have.
Mirror Master will be nigh-impossible for your team to fight against, as he will be nothing more than thousands of images across the battlefield, and your team will have no means of locating him or stopping him from trapping them in mirrors, or turning them into glass....
How will he trap palpatine's spirit or the Bedlam spirits, most certainly the Ones (pure incarnations of light and darkness) in mirrors?
Except for the fact that nobody in the DC Universe has any level of durability that comes close to matching Juggernauts. No PERSON has resisted it, that may be true. But steel and enhanced metals have, such as the metals that compose Grievous's body. Those metals don't come anywhere near matching Juggernaut's durability, and that's assuming he can get through his mystical barrier. So to assume that they can harm something of superior durability to anything they've ever come across is silly and ridiculous.
Hank Henshaw is as fast as Superman, so extremely high hypersonic. Plus he has an arsenal of super powerful energy beams and etc. And no heart for Bedlam spirits to tinker with. Fancy that.
I know of the Bedlam Spirits. They can turn him into whatever they want, he'll just mimic the material and continue living. They have no means of harming him.
And how is a force storm going to harm Ultron? You are making this claim, but force storms greatest feat is destroying a ship composed of semi-enhanced metals that come nowhere near Adamantium in terms of durability. Planet busting attacks have done little more than put a small dent in an adamantium surface.
Mirror Master can turn any of your players with a physical body into glass with his gun. That's just something he can do. I can dig up some feats on him later, but for now I'm going to bed.
Plus 80% of my team is unaccounted for, and most of your argument is based on the flawed assumption that force storm can affect something which has a level of superior durability unheard of in the Star Wars Universe. Several objects have resist force storms, meaning durability is all it takes.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
I shall give it a go.
If I fail it matters not.
Perhaps I shall try again.
Specific Characters (Prometheus, Doctor Doom, and Kang) are only been added for prep and technological use, as well as to gather special gear that may be essential to winning this battle.
My idea is to use the Ghost Zone and Kang's tech to get a bit more time out of prep.
Also Tyrant can gain the tech from all other teammates and incorporate it. He will also share that with Henshaw to make them more dangerous (particularly the Cosmic Key, Ghost Zone, Some of Dooms tech and Amazo's abilities). As well as incorporate the tech gear that My prep team gathers (thought robot and sword of superman)
Tyrant, Imperiex, Lucifer, Henshaw, Onslaught, and Amazo, are my heavy hitters while Mephisto, David Richards, Dormammu, and Parallax, will distract and attempt to mentally dominate some of the opponents. Tyrant will imcorporate Superman Cosmic Armor, while Henshaw will wield the Sword since he has Kal's DNA he should be able to).
I cannot see any way to defeat your spirits, or permanent way to defeat Palpatene.
@MasterJohn said:
@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
@MasterJohn said:
@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
@MasterJohn : just what are the feats of Beldam spirits???
my team : Abraxas, Protege, Oblivion, Death, Great Evil Beast
i think any one of those guys can take your team solo, and even if your Bedlam spirits are omnipotent which i strongly doubt, there is nooo way you beat Great Evil Beast.
So they are omnipotent. I can not explain the Beldam spirits as best as you are expecting. I only have few of there feats.
well that's not enough to claim they are as omnipotent as TOAA or Presence, or even Living Tribunal.
so Protege solo takes your team down, he will copy every power and use it or maybe he will just use LT's power that enough.
if you didn't agree with what i said above, still i can take you down by Great Evil Beast.
Oh come on, the sourcebook clearly says the Bedlam spirits are omnipotent. There's no "as omnipotent" who created that claim? Plus, TOAA, Presence, Living Tribunal AREN'T EVEN VILLAINS. But tha'ts besides the point, they are omnipotent and there is no "as omnipotent as this or that person"
again you skipped debating about my team defeating yours for the 2nd time.
it was mentioned that Odin, Living Tribunal, HOTU, Beyonder, TOAA, are all omnipotent, but t makes no sense because Odin<<<<<<<<LT<<<<<<<HOTU, Beyonder, TOAA, sounless you bring me a feat or an other clear statement that's not enough.
and moreover, i can take you down by Protege, what do you say about him? even if you think you can beat him, you can't beat GEB, what do you say?
it's clear victory to my team.
@MasterJohn said:
Doom stands no chance here. 1. Nihilus can simply drain him. 2. Yoda can easily speedblitz him, own him with TK, slash his head off with a saber, etc. And don't say Doom can get a weapon that can combat a saber-wrong.
Doom was powerful enough to steal the power of Beyonder... You know how powerful the Beyonder is right?
Doom already survived a blast from Infinity Gauntlet
Doom's powers are even matched with Silver Surfer one's
I do not think Juggernaut's invisible shield will protect him from a force storm or wormhole, only a Force Sensitive has resisted a force storm.
Plus of his shields, the Juggernaunt is invulnerable... His durability is potentially limitless... He also has regenerative healing factor and immortality... He is also an Avatar of Cytorrak, that's gives him the conventional superhuman attributes of an Elder God, however his abilities are greater than the average member of his race...
As for Dormammu: He is one of the most powerful magic users in the marvel universe, Sidious is the most powerful user of Sith Magic, alchemy in Star Wars. I am not sure if a force storm can do something to Dormammu, but only a force sensitive has resisted it. Will essence transfer effect Dormammu?
Well, Dormammu is the Sorcery of the Flames of the Faltine, which means he is completely composed of pure mystic energy, with enough raw power to eclipse even Doctor Strange and the Ancient One.... He is considered more powerful than Satan, Satannish and Mephisto... He is capable of inter-dimensional limitless astral-projection, matter transmutation, elemental control, time travel, energy absorption and projection, ressurection abilities, among other powers...
Once I know more about mangeto, I will respond.
Here's a Respect Thread of Magneto:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?164040-The-Official-Magneto-Respect-Thread
As far as I understand, Cortosis weapons are the only weapons that can combat a saber, but that didn't stop Yoda, did it? He also owned them with TK easily. This below is an example of what he'd do to Doom.
I don't see how this level of telekinesis would do anything to Jean... Here some of her feats and powers....
Vast telepathic powers
Telekinetic Godhood
Cosmic Pyrokinesis
Manipulation of Time and Reality
Ressurection and Immortality abilities
Power to drain energy and life force
Total control over the entire existence
Jean can tear appart her enemies molecule by molecule
While in the White Hot Room, she had total atomic control of the universe, via telekinesis
By what I know of her, she has power to solo your whole team... Here what she will do to them:
The Phoenix Wins
@MasterJohn said:
@Floopay Your team wins only because of juggernaut.
There are several members on my team who could theoretically solo :P
Eclipso, Absorbing Man, Magneto, Stryfe, New Sun, Ultron, Hank Henshaw to name a few. Sinestro would also be dang near impossible to put down for them.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@MasterJohn: you still haven't replied to my last post. I would like you to acknowledge the fact that the team i composed beats yours.
@Mythologico4
Doom was powerful enough to steal the power of Beyonder... You know how powerful the Beyonder is right?
Doom already survived a blast from Infinity Gauntlet
Doom's powers are even matched with Silver Surfer one's
I stand by my point: A force storm and doom is gone. If you are brave enough to, make a seperate thread on this because I have been beating this horse for 4 pages.
Plus of his shields, the Juggernaunt is invulnerable... His durability is potentially limitless... He also has regenerative healing factor and immortality... He is also an Avatar of Cytorrak, that's gives him the conventional superhuman attributes of an Elder God, however his abilities are greater than the average member of his race...
So what? Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Only a force sensitive. Juggernaut is not a force sensitive, therefore he can not resist a force storm.
Well, Dormammu is the Sorcery of the Flames of the Faltine, which means he is completely composed of pure mystic energy, with enough raw power to eclipse even Doctor Strange and the Ancient One.... He is considered more powerful than Satan, Satannish and Mephisto... He is capable of inter-dimensional limitless astral-projection, matter transmutation, elemental control, time travel, energy absorption and projection, ressurection abilities, among other powers..
And how does this show that he can resist a force storm? Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm, and the force storm opens a rift in space time that can erase someone from existence.
I don't see how this level of telekinesis would do anything to Jean... Here some of her feats and powers....
Vast telepathic powers
Telekinetic Godhood
Cosmic Pyrokinesis
Manipulation of Time and Reality
Ressurection and Immortality abilities
Power to drain energy and life force
Total control over the entire existence
Jean can tear appart her enemies molecule by molecule
While in the White Hot Room, she had total atomic control of the universe, via telekinesis
By what I know of her, she has power to solo your whole team... Here what she will do to them
On the powers I bolded, 1. Specify "vast telepathic powers". Sidious has enslaved 20 billion people simutaneously with little effort.
As for power to drain energy and life force, I believe Nihilus drained life from an entire planet from afar and can drain a person within seconds.
By what I know of her, she has power to solo your whole team... Here what she will do to them:
The Phoenix Wins
So she'll burn them? Won't work. Yoda has Force Protection, so does Luke, and Palpatine and many others, let me give you some examples.
Yoda withstands a burst of Lightning the hundred-meter fall that follows it and then flees without much injury.
The shadow unleashed its lightning while the creature was still in the air, and the little green freak took its full power. The shock blasted him backward to crash against the podium, and he fell.
He fell a long way.
The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he leaned on the pod's rail. Old he might have been, but there was nothing wrong with his eyesight; he scanned the wreckage below, and he did not see a body. He flicked a finger, and in the Chancellor's Podium a dozen meters away, a switch tripped and sirens sounded throughout the enormous building; another surge of the Force sent his pod streaking in a downward spiral to the holding office at the base of the Podium tower. Clone troops were already swarming into it. "It was Yoda," he said as he swung out of the pod. "Another assassination attempt. Find him and kill him. If you have to, blow up the building." He didn't have time to direct the search personally. The Force hummed a warning in his bones: Lord Vader was in danger. Mortal danger. Clones scattered. He stopped one officer. "You. Call the shuttle dock and tell them I'm on my way. Have my ship warmed and ready." The officer saluted, and Palpatine, with vigor that surprised even himself, ran.
With the help of the Force, Yoda sprinted along the service accessway below the Arena faster than a human being could run; he sliced conduits as he passed, filling the accessway behind him with coils of high-voltage cables, twisting and spitting lightning. Every few dozen meters, he paused just long enough to slash a hole in the accessway's wall; once his pursuers got past the cables, they would have to divide their forces to search each of his possible exits.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Palpatine is shot by a blaster bolt with minimal evident effect shown shortly thereafter.
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Sidious crawls long distances across a tundra on Mygeeto while Plagueis slashes him with a lightsaber.
Clawing his way across the tundra, his body rashed with lightsaber burns, Sidious looked up at Plagueis, imploringly.
“How much longer, Master?”
Plagueis deactivated his weapon’s crimson blade and scowled. “Perhaps a moment, perhaps an eternity. Stop thinking of the future, and anchor yourself in the present. A Sith apprentice is the antithesis of a Jedi youngling nurtured in the Temple, battling a floating remote with a training lightsaber. A Sith acquaints himself with pain from the start, and inflicts it, as well. A Sith goes for the throat, just as you did on your family’s starship.”
Sidious continued to gaze at him. “I meant, how much longer will it take me to learn?”
The Muun sized him up with a look. “Hard to tell. Humans are their own worst enemies. Your body isn’t meant to withstand real punishment. It is easily injured and slow to heal. Your olfactory and tactile senses are relatively acute, but your auditory and visual senses are extremely limited.”
“Have I no strengths, Master?”
Plagueis dropped to one knee in front of him. “You have the Force, apprentice, and the talent to lead. More, you have the bloodlust of a serial killer, though we need to hold that in reserve unless violence serves some extraordinary purpose. We are not butchers, Sidious, like some past Sith Lords. We are architects of the future.”
Sidious swallowed and found his voice. “How long?”
Plagueis stood, reigniting the lightsaber as he did so. “Not a standard day sooner than a decade.”
--Taken from Darth Plagueis
Palpatine is unaffected by the intense cold weather on Naboo.
By the time he left Kim's office the weather had turned sharply colder. Snow flurries were swirling around the palace towers, and the shallows to the Solleu tributaries were sheened with ice. The agent from Coruscant whom Plagueis had provided—Sate Pestage—was waiting in a small plaza behind the Parnelli Art Museum, warming his hands with his breath.
"The Naboo have never heard of climate control?" he commented as Palpatine approached.
Recalling his early conditioning sessions on glacial Mygeeto, Palpatine almost laughed at the man's remarks.
--Taken from Darth Plagueis
He withstands a thirteen story fall without harm.
The Malastare ambassador’s residence occupied three mid-tier stories of a slender building located at the edge of the government district. The front of the residence looked out on the stand-alone Galactic Courts of the Justice Building, but the rear faced a narrow canyon that was more than fifty levels deep and off limits to traffic. Following directions furnished by Pestage, Sidious rode turbolifts and pedestrian walkways to a meager balcony ten levels above the upper story of the residence. His fury notwithstanding, he would have preferred to linger until nightfall, which came early to that part of Coruscant, but he was certain that the Gran were expecting word that the Maladians had satisfied the terms of the contract, and he couldn’t risk having them flee for the stars before he got to them. So he lingered on the balcony until it and the walkway in both directions were unoccupied, then jumped from the overlook and called on the Force to deliver him safely to a narrow ledge that ran beneath the lowest floor of the residence.
--Taken from Darth Plagueis
Sidious resists Vader's Force Scream and Telekinetic outburst after the latter awoke on the operation table.
And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Plus, Sidious has manipulated fire with alter enviorment before.
Possibly by Alter Environment, Sidious controls flames which he casts around a room to burn Pax Teem alive.
Now Sidious gave full vent to his ire. Crashing through the doors, he landed in the center of a table covered with plates of grains and grassy plans and surrounded by a herd of grazing Gran, whose boisterous laughs froze in their throats. From the head of the table, Pax Teem gawked at him as if he might be a creature escaped from his most horrifying nightmare. And yet he wouldn't be the first to taste Plagueis's blade but the last; once he had been forced to watch the rest of his party butchered, from hooves to eyestalks; the painted ceiling brought down by Sidious's Force pull; the flames of a gentle gas blaze in the room's fireplace incited to a blistering inferno that Sidious tugged behind him as he soared from the table to the floor and closed on his final victim.
In desperate flight from the Sith and the spreading flames, Pax Teem had backed himself to a tall window framed by floor-to-ceiling curtains. Entreaties of whatever sort tried to thrust themselves through his stricken voice box and past his square teeth, but none succeeded.
Deactivating the lightsaber, Sidious beckoned the flames with his fingers, encouraging them to leap from the table to the curtains. A bleating scream finally emerged from Teem's narrow muzzle of a mouth as the blazing fabric collapsed around him, and Sidious watched him roast to death.
--Taken from Darth Plagueis
Plus you have shown nothing that can destroy Palpatine's essence or the Bedlam Spirits. So to avoid a big screaming match why don't I just knock this to stalemate?
@MasterJohn said:
I stand by my point: A force storm and doom is gone. If you are brave enough to, make a seperate thread on this because I have been beating this horse for 4 pages.
Again, he resisted a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet.... Just search a little about it...
http://marvel.wikia.com/Infinity_Gauntlet_(Item)
So what? Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Only a force sensitive. Juggernaut is not a force sensitive, therefore he can not resist a force storm.
I believe there are actually many people that could resist a force storm... Just because they say only a sensitive can resist one, it doesn't mean it's true...
For example, if someone goes to Naruto Universe, they will say you that the only person that can defeat the Ten-Tails is The Sage of the Six Paths, well, they would be right, because in fact, the only person in Naruto Universe that can defeat the Ten-Tails is him... But just like I said... Naruto Universe.... Because if you put Marvel and DC characters in Naruto Universe, there will be tons of people that can defeat the Ten-Tails...
The same logic applies for the Force Storm... In Star Wars Universe, sensitives may be the only ones that can resist one... Put Marvel, DC and other universes there, and it will be full of people that can effortless resist one...
Man, Juggernaut has limitless durability, do you know what this means? What do you thing a Force Storm will do to him, when he went toe to toe with the Hulk.... Also, let's not forget how you admited Juggernaut is the reason that @Floopay 's team wins (Although I agree with Floopay when he said there are many people in his team that could solo)... A Force Storm will do nothing, absolutely nothing to the Juggernaut
And how does this show that he can resist a force storm? Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm, and the force storm opens a rift in space time that can erase someone from existence.
Interesting, but do you remember the Energy Absorption part? Or the Time Control part? Or the part that he is made purely of mystic energy? Now tell me how can energy be erased from existence.... I remeber that Lavoisier once explained how "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another"
On the powers I bolded, 1. Specify "vast telepathic powers". Sidious has enslaved 20 billion people simutaneously with little effort.
As for power to drain energy and life force, I believe Nihilus drained life from an entire planet from afar and can drain a person within seconds.
Phoenix possesses limitless cosmic energy... White Phoenix of The Crown Jean Grey could easily create universes, and, like already said, had total atomic control of the universe... I really doubt he can drain the Phoenix
She already had too many uses of her telepathy, there are some of them in the end of the page...
http://marvel.wikia.com/Jean_Grey_(Earth-616)
So she'll burn them? Won't work. Yoda has Force Protection, so does Luke, and Palpatine and many others, let me give you some examples.
Actaully, it was just a way to show that Jean solos...
Like I said before she had total atomic control of the entire universe... What's stopping her from dematerializing yout team at an atomic level?
As for the "burn" part, Jean already went Supernova of almost galatic proportions, destroying effortless a whole planet as collateral damage of it beeing close to the Supernova
Also, none of the examples you gave me are in the Phoenix level... Phoenix feats are far greater, I mean, seriously far away greater than these..."She took out the 616 universe from the multiverse and cut away its future thus preventing the whole HCT future from happening and while simultaneously controlling the entire 616 universe at a sub-atomic scale, she created a new time-line by telepathically pushing Scott to continue on with his life.."
@Mythologico4
Again, he resisted a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet.... Just search a little about it...
http://marvel.wikia.com/Infinity_Gauntlet_(Item)
Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Doom would not be able to because he's force sensitive, and I refuse to go do any wikias because they can be easily edited.
I believe there are actually many people that could resist a force storm... Just because they say only a sensitive can resist one, it doesn't mean it's true...
Only a force sensetive has effectively resisted and closed a force storm. And if the EU says only a force sensitive can resist one, it makes it true right off the bat.
For example, if someone goes to Naruto Universe, they will say you that the only person that can defeat the Ten-Tails is The Sage of the Six Paths, well, they would be right, because in fact, the only person in Naruto Universe that can defeat the Ten-Tails is him... But just like I said... Naruto Universe.... Because if you put Marvel and DC characters in Naruto Universe, there will be tons of people that can defeat the Ten-Tails...
Why must you use other people's feats in this battle? Or comparisons to other universes?
The same logic applies for the Force Storm... In Star Wars Universe, sensitives may be the only ones that can resist one... Put Marvel, DC and other universes there, and it will be full of people that can effortless resist one...
Show me Juggernaut resisting a force storm or something like a force storm and I will comply.
Man, Juggernaut has limitless durability, do you know what this means? What do you thing a Force Storm will do to him, when he went toe to toe with the Hulk.... Also, let's not forget how you admited Juggernaut is the reason that @Floopay 's team wins (Although I agree with Floopay when he said there are many people in his team that could solo)... A Force Storm will do nothing, absolutely nothing to the Juggernaut
I should have phrased it, Mirror Man is the only reason my team loses, but they don't defeat the Bedlam spirits. Also, Hulk would get destroyed by a force storm, same case with Juggernaut. Show me him resisting a force storm or something like it, not something different but a wormhole or a black hole, and I'l listen.
Interesting, but do you remember the Energy Absorption part? Or the Time Control part? Or the part that he is made purely of mystic energy? Now tell me how can energy be erased from existence.... I remeber that Lavoisier once explained how "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another"
And so if the Bedlam spirits, the ones, and all of them are energy then how can they be destroyed? This just contradicts your argument.
Phoenix possesses limitless cosmic energy... White Phoenix of The Crown Jean Grey could easily create universes, and, like already said, had total atomic control of the universe... I really doubt he can drain the Phoenix
She already had too many uses of her telepathy, there are some of them in the end of the page...
So just because she could do this stuff (which is impressive) means a force drain wouldn't work? Can you show me something similar to force drain against Phoenix and she resisted it? If you can't, there's no indication force drain would fail.
Actaully, it was just a way to show that Jean solos...
Like I said before she had total atomic control of the entire universe... What's stopping her from dematerializing yout team at an atomic level?
If she demateralizes Palpatine's body it will NOT effect his essence. If it will just show me the feat. What's stopping Palpatine from possesing Dark Phoenix and then wiping out your team?
Plus how can she demateralize the Ones and Bedlam Spirits? Since you are so intact with linking wikia articles, look at the ones:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ones
Also, none of the examples you gave me are in the Phoenix level... Phoenix feats are far greater, I mean, seriously far away greater than these..."She took out the 616 universe from the multiverse and cut away its future thus preventing the whole HCT future from happening and while simultaneously controlling the entire 616 universe at a sub-atomic scale, she created a new time-line by telepathically pushing Scott to continue on with his life.."
Honestly I'd like to see these feats in scans or in quotes. If she did do all this, this still doesn't tell me she can eliminate Palpatine's essence. You did this same thing to me on my other thread where you said Phoenix would win against Winsome Witch when Winsome could just snap her fingers an get rid of her. But that's off topic. Show me she can destroy Palpatine's essence and the bedlam spirits as well as the ones, then we'll talk.
@MasterJohn said:
Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Doom would not be able to because he's force sensitive, and I refuse to go do any wikias because they can be easily edited.
Watch out, he refuses to go to wikias.... Already then, search on ComicVine... But I must warn you the content is the same...
http://www.comicvine.com/infinity-gauntlet/18-40945/
For example, if someone goes to Naruto Universe, they will say you that the only person that can defeat the Ten-Tails is The Sage of the Six Paths, well, they would be right, because in fact, the only person in Naruto Universe that can defeat the Ten-Tails is him... But just like I said... Naruto Universe.... Because if you put Marvel and DC characters in Naruto Universe, there will be tons of people that can defeat the Ten-Tails...
Why must you use other people's feats in this battle? Or comparisons to other universes?
Man, it's really difficult to use analogies with you... I'll explain it again... In Star Wars Universe they say that only sensitives can resist a Force Storm, because they really have no idea there are hundreds of thousands of other Universes like Marvel and DC out there, and that many of the characters of these universes can actually resist a Force Storm... That's why I used the Naruto Universe analogy...
Your acting like a Force Storm is the most powerful thing there is, and that only a sensitive could resist one... But once again man... Juggernaut is limitless durability, this means nothing can actually hurt him...
Show me Juggernaut resisting a force storm or something like a force storm and I will comply.
Once again, he has limitless durability... Look, Marvel's Power Grid system works in a scale from 1 to 7, and these are the Power Grids for Strength and Durability:
Durability:
The ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
- Weak
- Normal
- Enchanced
- Regenerative
- Bulletproof
- Superhuman
- Virtually Indestructible
Strength:
The Ability to lift weight.
- Weak: cannot lift own body weight
- Normal: able to lift own body weight
- Peak Human: able to lift twice own body weight
- Superhuman: 800 lbs-25 ton range
- Superhuman: 25-75 ton range
- Superhuman: 75-100 ton range
- Incalculable: in excess of 100 tons
Juggernaut has been simply stated by Marvel to be at level 7 in both Durability and Strength Power Grids... Just for you to have an idea... People known for great durability, such as Thor, Hulk, , Loki, Namor, Thanos and many others are just level 6 in Durability Power Grid
And so if the Bedlam spirits, the ones, and all of them are energy then how can they be destroyed? This just contradicts your argument.
Beeing made of pure energy doesn't mean omnipotence... Dormammu and Phoenix Force are great examples of very powerful energy made entities, but this doesn't make them more powerful than the Living Tribunal or The One Above All... Don't confuse things...
So just because she could do this stuff (which is impressive) means a force drain wouldn't work? Can you show me something similar to force drain against Phoenix and she resisted it? If you can't, there's no indication force drain would fail.
I think that the only person that was ever able to drain The Phoenix was Jean Grey when Emma Frost was possessed by it... But only because Jean is the Phoenix Avatar... That beeing said, I don't think you'll be able to take out The Phoenix Force out of Jean Grey's body to drain it... She would get them back anyway...
Also, killing Jean Grey (even if they could) means nothing... The Phoenix can manipulate life and death itself, with already several feats of ressurection...
If she demateralizes Palpatine's body it will NOT effect his essence. If it will just show me the feat. What's stopping Palpatine from possesing Dark Phoenix and then wiping out your team?
Then I must warn you of Dormammu Banishment power... When at his domains (Dark-Dimension), he can banished anything and anyone from there.... But he also showed that even when he was at Earth's Dimension, he was able to imprision the Elder Goddes Gaea at the center of the Earth... it took Clea, adept apprentice of the Sorcerer Supreme using a complex spell fueled by the combined power of Zom and Oshtur to release Gaea from Dormammu's magic
Possesing the Drak Phoenix? Please... This is from the Animated Series, but this is what happened when Emma Frost tried to contain The Phoenix Force: It destroyed her, even in her Diamond Form
Honestly I'd like to see these feats in scans or in quotes. If she did do all this, this still doesn't tell me she can eliminate Palpatine's essence. You did this same thing to me on my other thread where you said Phoenix would win against Winsome Witch when Winsome could just snap her fingers an get rid of her. But that's off topic. Show me she can destroy Palpatine's essence and the bedlam spirits as well as the ones, then we'll talk.
Many of her feats can be found at this Respect Thread... I'm having problems to save the images, so I won't be able to put them her, but you'll probably find anything thing you need here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t473316.html
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/respect-the-phoenix-51797/
A well rounded group of less used characters, many of them less than planet level threats. Elemental/magic/TP/TK/physical prowess/martial arts skills.
Graviton (Incredibly strong force fields/gravity increase and negation over large and small areas/incredibly heavy small objects flying around/flight/concussive gravity blasts)
Magneto with helmet ((Incredibly strong force fields/magnetic field manipulation large and small areas/flight/TP resistance/electromagnetic senses)
Destroyer (Galactus Herald version - impervious to physical harm/immune to TP/flight/insane Hulk level strength/disintegration eye beams that can even destroy Uru/superhuman quickness)
Super-Adaptoid (synthezoid power copier - should be able to take a sampling of powers from the team (strength/speed/invulnerability/teleportation/intagibility/stretching/eye beams/flight/Cosmic axe/martial arts) excluding magic, TP, and TK/immune to TP)
Morg with Well of Souls (planet buster strength and near total invulnerability/ light speed flight/ Cosmic Axe/Cosmic blasts)
Terrax - Morg-lite
Apocalypse (angry Hulk strength/endurance/durability, bio-molecular alteration (Pym size changing and Mr. Fantastic flexibility)/TP resistance/ force fields/ flight/concussive blasts/teleportation of self and others/energy absorption/immortal/great sensing ability of invisible and cloaked beings/genius)
Classic Count Nefaria (insane Hulk level of strength/endurance/durability, eye lasers, super speed/quickness)
Super-Skrull - Fantastic Four rolled into one with no mercy
Mandarin (master martial artist with beyond peak human physical prowess/genius/and the rings -
LEFT HAND:
Pinky: Ice Blast. Freezes the air in its path and can lower an object’s temperature to almost absolute zero.
Ring Finger: Mento-Intensifier. Magnifies the Mandarin’s psychic energy enabling him to mentally control a person. Only effective at short range.
Middle Finger: Electro-Blast. Emits quantities of electrical energy determined by the wearer (Mandarin). Upper limit of output is unknown.
Index Finger: Flame Blast. Emits infrared radiation and can cause air to incandesce by igniting its molecules. Maximum out is unknown.
Thumb: White Light. Emits many different types of energy from the electro-magnetic spectrum. Frequently used as intense visible light and laser beams.
RIGHT HAND:
Pinky: Black Light. Creates area of “absolute blackness” where all light is absorbed. It is believed that this ring accesses the “Darkforce” used by people such as Darkstar and the Shroud.
Ring Finger: Disintegration Beam: Destroys bonds between atoms and molecules causing an object’s cohesion to fall apart. Needs 20 minutes recharge time between uses.
Middle Finger: Vortex Beam. Causes air to swirl about in a vortex at high speed. Can levitate objects, propel wearer (Mandarin) in flight and be used as a weapon.
Index Finger: Impact Beam. Projects concussive force of approximately 350 lbs. of TNT. Can also cause intense sonic vibrations and create magnetic waves.
Thumb: Matter Rearranger. Can rearrange atoms and/or molecules of substances or speed up/slow down their movements to result in various effects. Cannot actually transmute elements.)
Loki (Asgardian strength/durabiilty/reflexes/endurance, genius, fine swordsman, TP resistance, huge range of magic spells (illusion/matter manipulation/force fields/summoning creatures/teleportation of self and others/invisibility/ice, fire, and concussive blasts/astral projection/clairvoyance/TK/TP/shape shifting/bringing the inanimate to life to do his bidding/reversing other's force fields/buffing allies/cursing enemies/magic fire sword/almost immortal)).
Karnilla - Loki lite
Enchantress - Loki lite II
Selene (Immortal psychic vampire, high order TP including blasts and hypnosis, TK, pyrokinesis, life absorption, several times human level of strength/speed/endurance/reflexes, shadow morphing (solid darkness), shadow camouflage, some sorcery skills including demon summoning)
Stryfe (high order TP (including camouflage//illusion/mind control/blasts) and TK (including force fields and flight)/10 tonner strength/superhuman quickness, agility, stamina, and durability/genius)
To round of the team, a list of my favorite useful b-listers
Sandman - sand gets everywhere
Omega Red - 10 tonner/healing factor/durablefast/death spores/life absorption/carbonadium tentacles
Moonstone (2 Kree Stones version) - 25 tonner (?)/intangibilty/photon blasts/flight/blinding light/some small gravity manipulationcapability
Dracula - (classic uber vampire with mental abilities)
Gorgon - martial artist and swordsmen (with Grasscutter sword) supreme/ healing factor/turn to stone stare/TP resistance
Gamora (deadliest female assassin in the galaxy - super human strength/quickness/healing factor/master martial artist in most of the galaxies forms/master swordsman with Godslayer sword)
Ares (70 tonner with high end Olympian god quickness, agility,durabilty, healing factor, and stamina/Adamantine armor and weapons/tactical genius/immortal)
@Mythologico4 said:
A bunch of your post is from the wikia, I read it and I think it's absoloutly funny, I can easily find feats from things other then wikia, yet you bring up this nonsense and expect me to go through with it, let's go through one by one so I can finally not visit this thread every single hour.
Man, it's really difficult to use analogies with you... I'll explain it again... In Star Wars Universe they say that only sensitives can resist a Force Storm, because they really have no idea there are hundreds of thousands of other Universes like Marvel and DC out there, and that many of the characters of these universes can actually resist a Force Storm... That's why I used the Naruto Universe analogy...
I will say it again: Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Show me Phoenix doing something simillar and I'l listen to you.
Watch out, he refuses to go to wikias.... Already then, search on ComicVine... But I must warn you the content is the same...
How do I know you didn't edit the wikias to stretch the truth a little bit to agree with what your saying?
Your acting like a Force Storm is the most powerful thing there is, and that only a sensitive could resist one... But once again man... Juggernaut is limitless durability, this means nothing can actually hurt him...
Only a force sensitive can resist a force storm. Show me Juggernaut resisting something similar. If you keep using these arguments i'l skip right over them.
Once again, he has limitless durability... Look, Marvel's Power Grid system works in a scale from 1 to 7, and these are the Power Grids for Strength and Durability:
So what if Juggernaut is "virtually indestructable". There's NO indication that a force storm would fail on him, and there's no indication that he can't be erased from existence. Plus he's not omnipotent, omnipotent being vs not an omnipotent being, the Omnipotent being stomps. Palpatines essence vs Juggernaut, Palpatine can easily possess Juggernaut. If he can't show me the feats.
Juggernaut has been simply stated by Marvel to be at level 7 in both Durability and Strength Power Grids... Just for you to have an idea... People known for great durability, such as Thor, Hulk, , Loki, Namor, Thanos and many others are just level 6 in Durability Power Grid
I want to see Marvel say that. Show me it.
Beeing made of pure energy doesn't mean omnipotence... Dormammu and Phoenix Force are great examples of very powerful energy made entities, but this doesn't make them more powerful than the Living Tribunal or The One Above All... Don't confuse things...
Oi.. this "As omnipotent" or "Not omnipotent" thing. Let me show you what the SOURCEBOOK says.
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent. The ones are omnipotent, no question about it.
think that the only person that was ever able to drain The Phoenix was Jean Grey when Emma Frost was possessed by it... But only because Jean is the Phoenix Avatar... That beeing said, I don't think you'll be able to take out The Phoenix Force out of Jean Grey's body to drain it... She would get them back anyway...
Drain can NOT kill Palpatine's essence, show me something that says she can and I will listen.
Then I must warn you of Dormammu Banishment power... When at his domains (Dark-Dimension), he can banished anything and anyone from there.... But he also showed that even when he was at Earth's Dimension, he was able to imprision the Elder Goddes Gaea at the center of the Earth... it took Clea, adept apprentice of the Sorcerer Supreme using a complex spell fueled by the combined power of Zom and Oshtur to release Gaea from Dormammu's magic
At HIS dimension, we are in the star-wars verse. I doubt he could do that here. Plus, we have a omnipotent being here in star wars (dormammu is not omnipotent) I think it's too obvious that this tactic wouldn't be able to happen here. If it can, show me the FEAT.
Possesing the Drak Phoenix? Please... This is from the Animated Series, but this is what happened when Emma Frost tried to contain The Phoenix Force: It destroyed her, even in her Diamond Form
This is the ONLY real feat that you give me that can work against Palpatine's essence. Thank you for finally corporating, now I will comply.
Many of her feats can be found at this Respect Thread... I'm having problems to save the images, so I won't be able to put them her, but you'll probably find anything thing you need here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t473316.html
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/respect-the-phoenix-51797/
I read it, nothing there can work against the Bedlam spirits.
@MasterJohn said:
I will say it again: Only a force sensitive has resisted a force storm. Show me Phoenix doing something simillar and I'l listen to you.
I'll give you a hint... Remember when I said that Juggernaut is level 7 in Strength and Durability in Marvel's Official Power Grid? Well, then if you go to the same site and look at the the Official Power Grids of both Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force, you will see that they are level 7 in all categories, this is what each category means:
Inteligence:
7. Omniscent
Strength:
7. Incalculable: in excess for 100 tons
Speed:
7. Warp Speed: transcending light speed
Durability:
7. Virtually Indestructible
Energy Projection:
7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
Fighting Ability:
7. Master of All forms of combat
http://marvel.com/universe/Jean_Grey
http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_Force
How do I know you didn't edit the wikias to stretch the truth a little bit to agree with what your saying?
Please man, now you're judging me... I like to argue, but I don't cheat... I don't have will, nor the wickedness to change some wikia just to prove someone is wrong, again, I do not cheat... I would rather prefer to contribute a wikia, than spoil it...
So what if Juggernaut is "virtually indestructable". There's NO indication that a force storm would fail on him, and there's no indication that he can't be erased from existence. Plus he's not omnipotent, omnipotent being vs not an omnipotent being, the Omnipotent being stomps. Palpatines essence vs Juggernaut, Palpatine can easily possess Juggernaut. If he can't show me the feats.
Again, you are confusing supposed omnipotence with true omnipotence... I think that nothing ever said that Palpatine has true omnipotence... Want an example? Ok... Take several beeing with supposed omnipotence (Celestials, Watchers, Living Tribunal), just take all of them and make them fight a true omnipotent beeing (TOAA)... They may be omnipotent, TOAA still kills everyone of them with anymore than a thought... Want another example? Put a Pre-Recton Molecule Man (Never stated as omnipotent) agains't Living Tribunal (supposed Omnipotence)... This battle has been done before here and 99% of people agreed that Molecule Man wins...
As long as Juggernaut has he helmet, I'm pretty sure Palpatine can do nothing to posses him... Even Charles Xavier couldn't enter the Juggernaut's mind while he had his helmet...
I want to see Marvel say that. Show me it.
http://marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_(Cain_Marko)
The bedlam spirits are omnipotent. The ones are omnipotent, no question about it.
Again, Odin is omnipotent, so are The Celestials, Living Tribunal, Watchers and several other beeings, put them agaisn't a true omnipotent beeing (TOAA), and they lose like, infinitely badly.... You only showed me a text, but if you search in books, they will also say Living Tribunal is omnipotent, and just like I've already proved, despite he beeing called omnipotent, he stands really no chance agaisn't TOAA...
Drain can NOT kill Palpatine's essence, show me something that says she can and I will listen.
That's not what I said... I said that IF it somehow happens that Palpatine possesses or drain The Phoenix, Jean Grey will get it back....
My answer to the Palpatine Essence thing was Dormammu, but I will explain or next part of the reply so I don't need to write it twice....
At HIS dimension, we are in the star-wars verse. I doubt he could do that here. Plus, we have a omnipotent being here in star wars (dormammu is not omnipotent) I think it's too obvious that this tactic wouldn't be able to happen here. If it can, show me the FEAT.
And just like I said before, even when he was in Earth Dimension (a totally dimension than his), when he is weaker than at his dimension, he trapped an ELDER GOD in the enter of the Earth, and again, it took Clea (Sorcerer Supreme of the Dark Dimension), Zom (one of the most formidable mystic entities in existence) and Ashtur (Vast magical powers and supposed omnipotence) to break his spell, even when he wasn't at his dimension.... I'm pretty sure he can banish Palpatine's essence...
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A star wars expert think Dark Phoenix would get curbstomped by The Ones and Bedlam spirits.
www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/bedlam-spirits-and-the-ones-vs-dark-phoenix/738785/
Sorry to say, but 80% of everybody who commented on your thread agrees that The Phoenix take this one... And the other 20% are still in doubt because they aren't sure about their "supposed omnipotence"... The only thing you showed until now about their omnipotence is a text, that, just like I've said in this reply, doesn't prove a lot, since there are many beeings considered omnipotent that can be defeated by non-omnipotent beeings....
Even if you somehow thinks Phoenix loses, I must warn she isn't the most powerful member of my team:
Thanos with HTOU>>>>>>Living Tribunal>>>>>>>White Phoenix of the Crown>>>>>>Dark Phoenix
But by the way, great images of the Jean Grey you got in that thread...
only the one above all is nedded to beat 1 bedlam spirit so i dont know............................. does marvel has more than 1 omnipotent?
Hi, I'm the OP.
I've stopped making threads like this, consider this team beat.
changed your username? wondered where you went to.
@masterjohn: I'm sorry to say this, but you're making very lousy comebacks and it's sad reading your posts. You're saying those spirits are omnipotent, yet they haven't shown ANYTHING that can prove that and seriously Superman has better feat then that. You referring back to Wookiepedia, which isn't reliable because it's basically Star Wars Wikipedia anyone can change it. Also the fact you don't get the meaning of omnipotence. It means having all power. ALL POWER. And even if these spirits have all power, it doesn't work because there can't be multiple omnipotent beings in one universe. You're arguing that Force Storm from Sidious can beat Omnipotence?? He can just blink him out of existence, delete the Force Storm, delete Star Wars, delete everything that has to do with Sidious. Omnipotence defies logic, defies everything and takes over reality. You can't beat omnipotence, unless you're Bugs Bunny or have Spongebob's Magic Pencil.
BTW my team:
Chaos King
Protege
COIE Anti Monitor
Emperor Joker
Thanos with HOTU
PR Molecule Man
Great Evil Beast
Anyone here can solo with a snap of a finger
@masterjohn: Does it have to be from Dc or Marvel? :D
@dondave: yeah and Shocker isnt a villan, he is just a very greedy guy? Is that from a comic or something
@killerwasp: it's doesn't matter...even if you say The One Above All or Presence he will still say the Bedlam Spirits will kill everything because they are "omnipotent"
@maninthemountain: What? really? okay well then GG no point in arguing with a person who thinks someone who is a high end omnipotent would lose to childish omnipotents, i mean i'm seeing Lucy soloing this team adding in michael would be overkill, and heck we all know LT would be just as effective if not more than the brothers, o well sigh.
Ultron murks
Amazo murks
Thanos murks
Fernus murks
Mxy murks
Emperor Joker murks
Despero murks
Mad Jim Jaspers murks
DF Cyclops murks
Tyrant murks
Sinestro murks
Larfleeze murks
Bizarro murks
H'el murks
Magneto wins
Juggernaut murks
@killerwasp: read the previous debates with MasterJohn and others
I don't think anyone understands.
I /AM/ Master John(my account was banned) and I have no intention of responding to any of this whatsoever.
@maninthemountain: just did, quite sad....
@killerwasp: Yes, some of those debates were quite sad. Some of them I weren't very informed in. However, I've changed and I'm willing to debate anyone on any other set of characters except this one.
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