Defeat my Star Wars Team

Assemble a TEAM (as in, not one character) to defeat the following group: General Grievous, Asajj Ventress, AotC Anakin and Obi-Wan, NJO Jacen and Jaina Solo

The Rules:

1. Must be Star Wars characters that are below The Ones, Yoda, Sidious, and post-New Republic era Luke

2. No multiple copies of the same character (so no saying a hundred Darth Vaders, for instance). However, multiple incarnations of the same character may be used (TPM and RotS Obi-Wan both being used for example).

Setting is the Geonosis Execution Arena with a full crowd of Geonosians gathered to watch the show.

Can it be people from anywhere?

@MasterJohn: Nope. Star Wars characters only. Should specify that.

hmm... Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, obi wan kenobi, Ki Adi Mundi, Qui gon Jin

@UltraSuperTrooper: Excellent choices. The weakest characters on that list are Qui-Gon and Ki-Adi Mundi, and the latter has stalemated Grievous before, so yeah, that team can take it.

haha thanks man, love seeing these team based threads on the battle forums

My team is....... Exar Kun. Palaptine, Darth Maul, Darth Bane (In Armor), Master Yoda (ROTS), Mace Windu. your team is beteen

Wait. If I cant use Palaptine, Yoda or Luke. I put in Ulic Qel Droma (Sith Lord), and Master Thon your team is beat.

@Grimlock78: Who is Master Thon? If you are referring to Master Tholme he is completely outclassed here.

And Ulic Qel-Droma is nowhere near as impressive as you would think.

Armored Darth bane,,Kaz-im,,Darth maul,,count dooku,exar Kun, and Darth Vader ,,,tried to stay all sith

@Bane_of_sith: A fairly good line-up with the exception that Exar Kun is, like Qel-Droma, not as good as one would think and Kas'im is featless. So I'd swap those two out.

Kas'im was not exactly featless,,in his time he was considered to be one of the best lightsaber duelists in the sith order,,which is why he was an instructor on Korriban.and had bane not used a massive force burst to collapse the temple their fight might have ended differently,the fact his fighting style is so unpredictable would certainly help him hold his own here so I'm keeping him..not to mention Kun was powerful enough to remove master Luke's soul,along with gettin many Jedi to kill their masters after stealing the draethos holocron. The possession technique could wreak havoc in this battle,,if he can take master Luke he's a big threat

@Bane_of_sith said:

Kas'im was not exactly featless,,in his time he was considered to be one of the best lightsaber duelists in the sith order,,which is why he was an instructor on Korriban.and had bane not used a massive force burst to collapse the temple their fight might have ended differently,the fact his fighting style is so unpredictable would certainly help him hold his own here so I'm keeping him

He was an instructor that was said to be good, yes, but he lacks the feats to back it up. Revan was described as being uber in the Force and is my favorite Star Wars character of all, but he lacks the feats to back up such a lofty position. And keep in mind that the BoD Sith were terrible, which is why Bane chose to have them wiped out. So being a teacher to an army of featless neophyte Sith is not the same as Plagueis being a teacher to Palpatine.

@Bane_of_sith said:

Kun was powerful enough to remove master Luke's soul,along with gettin many Jedi to kill their masters after stealing the draethos holocron. The possession technique could wreak havoc in this battle,,if he can take master Luke he's a big threat

You are referring to Exar Kun as a Sith Ghost. Physical Kun is featless in the sense that everyone he beat or did well against has no feats of their own. He's a decent lightsaber duelist, but the lack of feats for any of his opponents hurts his credibility. And his Force ability in life was an embarrassment, especially considering that he had power-amping toys on him. His Force powers were still pathetic.

I guess I could swap Kun,,though I think his possession technique might have helped, your right he isn't the best choice,,I just like him. But I disagree about Kas his saber skills are badass, like I said before had bane not used the force to destroy the temple he would have bested him with technique and unpredictability..which could be dangerous in this fight,,starting off with saber staff than switching into duel blade half way through could earn him a win here.

How about swapping Kun for Tulak Hord known for being the greatest sith saber master of all time...not much is known about him but you can't earn that title with out being great

@Bane_of_sith said:

How about swapping Kun for Tulak Hord known for being the greatest sith saber master of all time...not much is known about him but you can't earn that title with out being great

The sad fact is that no matter how reputed a character is, without feats they are considered nothing on these forums. Again, Revan is my favorite SW character and is continually played up as uber, but he lacks the feats to back it up. With Tulak Hord, he has no feats at all, merely Kreia (a habitual liar and exaggerator) telling us he was awesome. He could have also only been awesome in his time, and compared to beings of later era not necessarily be a lightsaber g-d. But again, he's completely and totally featless, so his inclusion would not work either.

@Bane_of_sith said:

But I disagree about Kas his saber skills are badass, like I said before had bane not used the force to destroy the temple he would have bested him with technique and unpredictability..which could be dangerous in this fight,,starting off with saber staff than switching into duel blade half way through could earn him a win here.

He put on a good show yes, but Darth Bane at that point had not really done anything with a lightsaber of note. Sirak is featless. So essentially it was two opponents who had no feats of note involving a lightsaber, and that alone is not enough to call him a top-tier duelist by any stretch of the imagination. I will say that if Bane had beaten Kasi'm in a lightsaber duel it would have been his one noteworthy feat with a lightsaber, but he didn't. Kasi'm just doesn't have any solid feats.

Anyone else have an opinion?

I don't base all my arguments off of feats,,,hulk herald of galactus didn't have many feats but you give world breaker hulk the power cosmic technically according to some he would lose to puck cause he has no feats,,,,that's folly to me

@JediXMan said:

Darth Plagueis

Darth Bane

Darth Zannah

Darth Sion

Darth Nihilus

I was under the impression that Sion and Nihilus were featless save for Nihilus' "eat" ability, in which case he would solo.

And I don't think Zannah has sufficient skills to beat anyone on my team except for maybe the Solo twins. Throw in Plagueis and Bane though...

Yeah, I think that team could win, but only because of Plagueis.

@Bane_of_sith said:

I don't base all my arguments off of feats,,,hulk herald of galactus didn't have many feats but you give world breaker hulk the power cosmic technically according to some he would lose to puck cause he has no feats,,,,that's folly to me

Not the best comparison. We know World Breaker Hulk's feats and could therefore make an educated guess on how powerful he'd be when amped up by the Power Cosmic. That is not the same as a character who was a teacher to featles, pathetic excuses for Sith or someone who has done nothing and hasn't even made a physical appearance. We only get a habitual liar and exaggerator telling us he was uber. That is simply not enough to make him one of the greats, at least not on the battle forum.

@JediXMan said:

Sion has all durability feats, such as taking a hit from Nihilus' lightning (which is S-Canon; though some of KOTOR II's S-canon has been made canon). Also, Nihilus is not completely featless. Please review the Exar Kun vs Darth Nihilus thread that I held with Silver to see a list of Nihilus' powers.

But, but...KotOR characters never get any respect here...does not compute...does not compute...

@JediXMan said:

Hold on. You say that about Bane and raise him to the level where he might make a difference, but you discount Zannah? Zannah > Bane. Can't say Zannah has no chance and then act like Bane is near the top of the list. Either both are useless, or Bane is the weak one of the two.

I seem to recall being told that Zannah won due to what is essentially PIS/bad writing, something both ShootingNova and Silver agreed with me on (what are the chances of that?). It may be she's SUPPOSED to be better, but Drew did a poor job conveying that properly.

Regardless, I also said Plagueis was the deciding factor. Throw in Bane and Zannah, and yeah, I could see that trio winning, but only barely and only because of Plagueis.

@JediXMan said:

Zannah should be able to defeat Asajj or Grievous.

In a Force fight perhaps. But in a lightsaber fight...Zannah ain't beating either one.

@JediXMan said:

I should point out that you are the one who, prior, made the Asajj vs Zannah thread.

Yes, yes I did. I'm impressed that you remember. What I remember though was that the general consensus on that fight was that Ventress would beat Zannah, at least in a lightsaber duel. And indeed she has much, much better lightsaber feats than Zannah.

@JediXMan said:

No, Revan gets no respect here.

But other KotOR characters do for some reason? Eh. Figures. I don't know why I bother.

@JediXMan said:

Drew didn't build her up properly. You likely misunderstood them, because they both agree that Zannah is the stronger of the two. Also, Plagueis agrees.

I was told she won due to being amped by way of drawing on ambient DS force energy. Why Bane didn't do the same was not adequately explained, so I chalked it up to bad writing/PIS. Honestly, feat-wise I'd say they are about equal lightsaber wise (that is to say they are both without much to their names beyond stalemating each-other) and regarding the Force, well, I can't say for sure.

@JediXMan said:

No, not barely. They don't have a hard time - at all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember there being a big debate as to whether or not Plagueis could beat Maul and Dooku together. My team of six>Maul and Dooku, if not by a lot. Plagueis alone isn't winning. He needs Bane and Zannah to back him up.

@JediXMan said:

1. Yes. I never said Zannah could beat Asajj in a lightsaber duel. But she doesn't have to. She's more powerful in the Force and is an accomplished Sorcerer. She'll win.

Wasn't Ventress' TK so powerful she was able to collapse a ceiling and later cause an avalanche? That's some good TK power.

@JediXMan said:

Not arguing that.

Wait...I said something and people agreed with me? Somebody mark this day down.

@JediXMan said:

Name actual feats, they qualify. End of story. I can give you a list of Nihilus' feats

As does Revan. I could argue that other KotOR characters do too but I honestly don't want to. No point. Like I said I don't know why I bother.

@JediXMan said:

It's also worth noting that Bane prepped for that fight to prepare for her sorcery. She only amped herself the second time. The first time she unleashed telepathically, he was almost ripped to pieces; he was able to get out, arguably because he prepared his mind for it. She amped herself to form the tendrils.

Ah. That's better then.

@JediXMan said:

They don't have a real hard time because, frankly, they're not up against too much.

Nonsense (yay! I got a chance to use Silver's cathphrase!) AotC Anakin+Obi-Wan are considered better than Kit Fisto and Darth Maul (individually) and AotC Anakin, though he lost to Dooku (one of the best lightsaber duelists there is) the Count actually had to work for his victory. Grievous+Ventress together I see as also being better than Kit or Maul individually. I purposefully had this team be made up of rampantly overpowered duos, with the exception of the Solo twins.

@JediXMan said:

I don't agree with you.

Aw...and I was getting so excited there for a moment too... :(

@JamesKM716: I agree. Plagueis and Caedus alone would likely win handily. Throw in Anakin and yeah its a stomp.

@codin18: Hmmm....I don't know if Darth Jadus has any feats of note but beyond that this team looks like it could work.