Debunking the Wank: Comic Feat Fact Check

The purpose of this thread is to debunk some popular comic feats which have become synonymous with the characters who performed them. Unfortunately most of them aren't true. I will provide the comic issue and number of the feats showing that the feats in question are out of context. Trying to get this information to other users is nearly impossible while in a debate, so instead i'll post that information here. If you disagree with what if i or what i hope would be other users have added, please counter with the comics issue and number. Unedited scans only. Have to keep this tread free of Liberal bias.

*Note to raging Liberals. I didn't write these comics, nor did I create these characters. Any and all claims I've made have come with a comic title, issue number and unedited for all to see. All of my responses come with reasoning, accounts for logic, past instances, character versions, etc. Any problems you might have should be taken up with the writers. If you cant provide the three things I've asked for, don't be shocked and dismayed when I write you off. If I give you half a dozen scans of Silver Surfer needing hyperspace to travel as Marvel has intended since the 80's then don't post scans from the 60's (before hyperspace was invited b marvel) and call me a liar. Cherry-picking and using and mix-matching feats doesn't make me a liar, nor will It sway me. It only makes you look desperate.

Directory

Superman pages 1, 3 , 7, 11

Flash Page 1

Invincible page 1

Beta Ray Bill page 8

Thor Pages 8, 11

World War Hulk page 1

Magneto Page 7

Silver Surfer page 7, 11

Thanks to all those who contribute

* Cool Thread I noticed http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/debating-tips-and-tricks/700234/#75

Invincible

• Invincible flew threw a planet

A weapon was used to destabilize the planets core before they flew through it. It's stated that they would have died otherwise. Everyone near the explosion was either killed or injured.

Superman

• Superman held a mini blackhole in his hand.

Superman held a device that held a mini black hole. Atom discover a device containing a black hole the size of a dust particle. The device almost opens up but superman says that he stopped it before it could be released. Superman is strained from the small bit of gravity that got out before it was released.

• Superman can survive inside a black hole.

In the very few encounters superman has had with black holes in every instance it has been implied he would die if caught inside one. An artificial mini black hole was created and superman said his legs felt like they were being torn off being near it. He escapes from its pull and stops it by throwing a ship inside of it.

• Superman endured the pull of two black holes.

Superman was inside of a Stargate type wormhole created by starlabs that connected to another world. Superman surmised that it was created by creating two black holes that had a bridge between them (a rift in space).of space built between that would allow people to traverse light years. He and draxt were both stuck until superman accelerated to light speed.

• Superman survived a supernova explosion.

- Superman survived the destruction of a Star while inside it

• Superman can move planets and moons.

Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. By himself he has failed to move moons equal, greater, and lower in mass than earths moon. Even with aid of a dozen Kryptonians.

- Superman failed to stop a moon even with a dozen Kryptonian's helping him.

- He struggles even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole team of magic users.

- After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he still struggled moving warworld which only the size of pluto (smaller than earths moon). Brainiac also states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move war world.

-Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman never moved Earth. They failed, Kyle is the one who moved it.

• Superman is faster than light.

Perhaps the most prevalent Superman myth. But in reality Superman has never been shown to achieve faster than light speeds post Crisis. Trying to convince people of this in a debate is futile. Nevertheless the facts are the facts. A commonly used feat

- Nowhere in the picture does it state that superman is traveling faster than light. No indication of how long it took him to fly to the moon. In actuality the picture is stating that superman is not Superluminal. "Space bends around him at this speed time slows down." This is describing the process of approaching light speed. Dont take my word for it. Take NASA's

http://nimbleit.squarespace.com/simple-curiosity/2007/7/12/why-time-slows-down-when-approaching-the-speed-of-light.html

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_gp_sl.html#time

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_gp_sl.html#speedlight

- He says he's not Superluminal.

• Superman has Superluminal combat speed.

- There doesn't appear to be any evidence of this.

* Jashro44 has found scans of Superman moving faster than light speeds in Wonder Woman 219. Going by the statement by Maxwell Lord and the fact that he recorded their fight.

Flash

• Flash wins because he can go superluminal

Flash almost never goes superluminal because he knows he's screwed when he does. Every time Wally has gone Faster than light he gets sucked into the speed force and dies or gets time displaced. Make no mistake, i'm not saying he cant travel at faster than light speeds, just that it's useless to do so in a fight.

- Even when boosted in power to fight zoom, he only went light speed. It is also implied Flash needs to build up speed to reach light speed under normal circumstances.

- Nanoseconds and picoseconds are not superluminal speed feats. Nano and pico seconds are used to measure the distance light has traveled. I don't know why writers continue to use them in regards to speedsters in comics. But nevertheless they don't really make much sense.

Silver Surfer

• Silver surfer can survive in a black hole

- Silver surfer has never shown the ability to survive a black hole unaided. When he fought against Redshift he gave himself a temporary shield.

- When he met Singularity he was almost crushed by one.

Wow Superman actually can't move at lightspeed? (I don't read Superman comics so its not surprising I didn't know this) thats still a very big urban myth though O.O

@Xanni15 said:

Conservatives can't spell.

I will not let my thread be dictated by Spell Check.

@Laurcus:

It doesn't say if the magic powder caused him to sneeze or if it enhanced his sneeze. Inferring exclusively on Superman leaving the universe to sneeze i'd say it's the former

@Strider92: In all the instances I've seen, Kal has only approached or narrowly made it to light speed while in flight. His combat speed is less defined but IMO much slower.

@Xanni15 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Laurcus said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Liberal bias? This thread is already a joke after the first paragraph

By liberal bias, I don't think he's referring to a political party. I think he's just saying that the interpretation of information should be strict instead of loose. In other words, conservative instead of liberal. Those words have meaning outside of politics.

When have comics ever been strict? 90% is open to interpretation and changed through retcons and diffrent writers

Or it might have just been a joke since the avatar is Romney.

Glad somebody got it

@LordOfAllHumans said:

Moondragon did not teleapthically control an entire planet, she subtly planted thoughts here and there improving communication among the worlds leaders.

Thank you for contributing. The comic is Avengers 219 if anyone wants to check for themselves.

@Binder_full_of_Women:About superman not being able to move light speed are you talking about from 0 to light speed? Or he can't go light speed at all? Because during Dwayne Mcduffies run on justice league (not sure which issue) its stated that superman can go faster than light.

"If you disagree with what if i or what i hope would be other users have added, please counter with the comics issue and number."

@jashro44 said:

@Binder_full_of_Women:About superman not being able to move light speed are you talking about from 0 to light speed? Or he can't go light speed at all? Because during Dwayne Mcduffies run on justice league (not sure which issue) its stated that superman can go faster than light.

I've heard rumors that Dwayne Mcduffie has stated Static is as powerful as Magneto. *shrugs* In most of the comics I've looked over Post Crisis Superman has no Superluminal feats of speed in Superman 191 Kal struggled to accelerate up to Light speed to escape a rift in space.

@dondave said:

@Binder_full_of_Women:I thought in a JLA comic superman flew 10 times the speed of light

If a picture of this existed, one would think it would be easy to find. I haven't found it. And if you learn the comic issue i will look it over.

@Lvenger:

No indication of time or speed is given. Superman flew Darkseid to the moon while moving slow enough to have a conversation with him the whole way there.

@god_spawn said:

Defeating Ghost Rider

Some even say he beat Ghost Rider. He handled GR at first only due to Blaze acting as a saftey. Ghost Rider went unhinged and then....ran off. He ran off because the Illuminati were guilty. So we build up this epic point to where he would have beaten Hulk...but he rides away. Not a win.

THANK YOU! So many people think Hulk can beat GR because of this when in reality if Johnny wasn't holding back he would win without a ton of trouble.

In Justice League Elite #12 doesnt Batman say it took Superman under a minute to fly from Earth to the Sun and back to Earth? Wouldn't that be faster then light? I suck at math but I'm pretty sure it takes Light 8minutes something seconds to reach the Earth....

@AngryHulks said:

@Gambler said:

In Justice League Elite #12 doesnt Batman say it took Superman under a minute to fly from Earth to the Sun and back to Earth? Wouldn't that be faster then light? I suck at math but I'm pretty sure it takes Light 8minutes something seconds to reach the Earth....

I think that's long-distance travel (via hyperspace or wormhole), it's the combat speed (which many believes to be faster than light) that they're trying to debunk.

Possibly, but from what I gathered in the OP, he's talking about Superman achieving Lightspeed period.

@Binder_full_of_Women said:

• Superman is faster than light.

Perhaps the most prevalent Superman myth. But in reality Superman has never been shown to achieve faster than light speeds post Crisis. Trying to convince people of this in a debate is futile. Nevertheless the facts are the facts. A commonly used feat

@Binder_full_of_Women: Understandable. Here is a more clear cut indecent though if you want of superman flying at faster than light speed.

From wonder woman 219. He flies wonder woman to the sun and maxwell lord says the fight took place in 1 minute and 44 seconds.

@AngryHulks: But just in case it is talking about Combat speed. In Wonder Woman #219, the infamous Superman/Wonder Woman battle, is said to have lasted 1 minute 54 seconds. So again, if it takes Light 8minutes to travel to Earth, and Wonder Woman and Superman's fight lasted only a minute plus (and they went to the Sun and back) then I gotta say they were both fighting at lightspeed. Not saying it isnt PIS or its ridiculous, just pointing out that it happened.

@jashro44: Badass, you had scans.

@Gambler: Thanks all though I actually copied and pasted the scans from @Killemall post in the black adam and superman vs mr.majestic so there actually his scans.

@Binder_full_of_Women said:

-Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman never moved Earth. They failed, Kyle is the one who moved it.

Are you sure they "never moved it" cause from page 41 (where they are seemingly moving it) to page 45, there is a large gap, especially when you read the text. Page 41 they're only worried about how long Wonder Woman's lasso will hold, and then suddenly we jump four pages and they're talking about how the job is done but how? They were losing it. So we're they in fact moving it and then began to run out of steam? Theres nothing there that says they werent moving the Earth at all. Only that in the end Kyle was the one who put it in place. That doesnt mean it was never moved to begin with.

"If you disagree with what if i or what i hope would be other users have added, please counter with the comics issue and number. Unedited scans only." This thread was created to debunk rumors not spread them. It's time consuming trying to find the information i need to add to this thread without having to defend the ones I've already posted. So it's helpful to me if you all would add the comic, the issue number and the scans in question unedited. That way I could at the very least know the feat in question actually exists. Then i will verify context and go from there. I can't make a lot of post a day, and some of you are just making accusations of me being misleading without having anything to support you. Typical 47%. I don't mind doing requests but i'm not going to keep giving handouts by doing all the work for you. Typical 47%.

@buttersdaman000 said:

The effort is appreciated but some of your claims about Superman are false. For one, off the top of my head I remember him achieving faster than light speed when escaping the radiation from the entropy bomb(?) in action comics 847(Although its stated in the next panel or so it wouldve caught him soon due to him being drained by red sun radiation). Also, the whole New Krypton saga was a joke and Superman's power level, and other Kryptonians, were all out of whack in that story.

I hadn't realized someone thinking a story arch is poorly written could correlate with the truthfulness of my claims.

- In actuality the electromagnetic shock wave from the bomb was light speed and it hit Superman. That should be sufficient enough to show he was not moving at superluminal speeds. The speed of the radiation that followed was unknown. But on the following page, PA Kent was able to talk to his son as he rescued him, it's very unlikely that it was traveling at light speeds. It is worth mentioning he was tired.

@Xanni15 said:

@Binder_full_of_Women said:

@dondave said:

@Binder_full_of_Women:I thought in a JLA comic superman flew 10 times the speed of light

If a picture of this existed, one would think it would be easy to find. I haven't found it. And if you learn the comic issue i will look it over.

I think they might be referencing Justice League of America #30.

Superman didn't fly 10 times faster than light in Justice League of america 30. He flew just below light speed.before being incapacitated by shadow double of the moon.

@Gambler: a.) Bruce made an unsubstantiated guess. The speed at which Superman was traveling was not stated. Neither was the time it took him to travel from London to the Sun and back again.

b.)Those pages focused on the rest of the JLA fighting evil and saving lives.

@jashro44: I'll check it out when I get home from work. If it checks out I'll add a citation to my op and give you credit.

@Binder_full_of_Women: All right.