With the new rule over Anime open everyone is lunging into DBZ vs DC heavy hitters frenzy. Yet even for knwoledgable DB/DBZ/GT debaters they break the Carnal Rule of this Battle Forum and Debate something that is Inconsistent and largely unexplained.
Honestly Power scaling as no place here. We cant use Arguments of "So and so has power level 100 billion and it takes only 500 to destroy a planet. He must be a Sky Father!"
That is just BS and unfounded.
What we can debate is actual feats from the Manga (byitself), Show (by itself), or the Manga and Show (Largely made exact to the Manga with added Filler).
These feat we seen or characters have said can be use as feats.
Example Batman says Wonder Woman is Combat Faster than Superman. Is this BS? Or Accurate Statement. Anybody on these threads take that as statement. When Piccolo says Goku move past the Light of a attack... is he BS or making a statement? What is the difference between the 2 really beside rabid fanboys on both sides?
Point is we have Feats to go by.
Goku had higher Power Level than Kais Cricket friend. Yet the stupid Cricket was WAY Faster. Same as Captain Ginyu was uber higher in Power to Bertha but Bertha and Jess were the Fastest Members. Also Trunks and Vegeta both hit the Super Sayian 1 Buff Mark where they had more power but were slower to Cell.
So Power Level is not everything.
Its common knowledge DBZ is Near Light speed in Combat Speed. Travel speed is slower by showings. They use Ki for quick burst attacks. Its even stated many times a Spike in power when they go Near Lightspeed to FTL.
Piccolo wanted the Moon Gone. He put alot of Ki into the Speed and Power so Gohan stop trashing the place. Also you (and many others who dont seem to grasp unfolding battles in the show) Ki bleeding.
The more Ki the DBZ characters use the more tired they are and easier to wound as well weaker and slower attacks. They dont use Attacks at all at super planet buster or FTL speed cause its draining and leaves them in a bad spot should it fail.
Some characters are naturally faster and or more powerful than others. Krillin is the PEAK of Humans with Ki and training. He pales to Sayains that have Naturaly way more Ki and better way to build more of it thru battles. Also there have been characters who are lower in Power level but were faster than higher ones.
Showings of ki Speed
Outran and snatch Master Roshi Glasses from a Lightbase Solar Flare.
FTL to me.
Another Comment of Out moving Light which is the Speed of Light.... how interesting. Also shows a Lightspeed blast like attack via Frieza
Alot say this means nothing... well the time it take to say BE GONE the moon is vaporized. Thats near Lightspeed if not FTL and Moon Busting at the least.
Hell even the Anime of this feat base completly off the DBZ writer Manga (And overseen by said writer) has this clip.
Well thats like Flash speed there.
As for Strength the Raw Striking Power of DBZ is shown to max at BUSTING Mountains and maybe Islands. Nowhere Moon busting in Fist fights or Kicks.
However like Speed DBZ can put alot of Ki into Blocking or Deflecting said Moon Busting and Planet Busting Ki Attacks.
This applies to Strength of Ki Energy Attacks.
It has been stated many times Vegeta can Blow up a planet. Galick Gun vs Goku. Final Flash vs Cell. His ki Blast vs Frieza. If Master Roshi and Piccolo have Blown up our Moon with ease why cant vegeta a Planet when its been stated?
Does this mean ALL DBZ guys are Planet Busters? Hell no. By Feats only a few have shown it. Vegeta, Frieza, Goku, and some others. They have Specifically shown or stated Feats of such Caliber while Roshi and Piccolo manage Moon Busting only.
Mostly they rely on there Ki Energy Attacks.
To Horizon is impressive Blasting Power that cost Frieza very little Ki to his OVERALL Ki Levels.
At the end of the day the Striking power is low but they make up for this with their Martial Arts. There Durability vs Ki Attacks is proven.
Another problem with DBZ Durability Showings is like Wonder Woman to Bullets and Piercing Weapons the DBZ guys are to Heat of the Magma.
Examples of this are Broly (non cannon) being killed by a combination of Kamehameha and Sun. Goku desperately afraid of being flung into the a Star on his Space journey to Namek. Or Goku carefully avoiding the Magma from Namek like it was... Magma. Also Super Sayian 4 Goku (GT is non cannon but whatever) avoiding the 4 Star Dragon Sun Level Heat Attacks for fear of being killed should he get hit.
All this shows Heat on Magma or Higher level is by far a weakness to DBZ fighters.
As Desribe Above they Block and Parry Planet Attacks with their Ki and they also can easily tank Mountain Shattering Hits.
No problem there Durability wise.
Ki Bleeding and Power Level
Last thing I feel the need to cover.Honestly Power Levels no matter how you slice it is never been truly defined. Period. Its been shown by Babidi sizing up Goku that soo much Power Equals so much Planet Busting blah blah blah. Who cares?
This is a endless and fruitless debate. Lets Debate what we actually see and know.
Power Levels all have in common is the more Ki you have the more Ki you can use in battle.
This makes sense and is apptly applied to any DBZ Video Game. Its always a power reserve of how much Ki you can use to Block, Strike, Blast, Speed, ect ect.
Ki Bleeding is always a BIG part of DB/DBZ/GT Franchise. Character A) Has more power and lasts longer with less wounds than weaker Power B). Well as we seen When you lose the energy to block, strike, blast, ect then your getting your butt kicked. The Power Level may increase Speed and Strength however all that Strength and Speed Increase is all due to how much Ki you can use.
Again we should Debate more on facts of actual Speed Feats and Strength Feats rather than our own BS Fan Made Calculations.
Well I feel if we can apply this to the Forum Rules we can tone down the DBZ hate a bit by really debating rather than relying on Power Scaling.
Anybody who wants to contribute some solid showing Scans please do or debunk them with facts rather than bias fanboy hate please do.
DO REALIZE DB/DBZ/GT LIKE ALL COMICS AND MANGA HAS INCONSTANT SHOWINGS. Instead of nitpicking low Balling Showings we should look at consistent (as in more than once) Showings.