When you Debate what rustles your Jimmies?
I've been on Comicvine for a while now (15 months if anyone is interested). I pretty much spent most of my infancy in this part of the Vine and even now, it is a major part of my Comicvine experience. So, without being too prideful, I'd say I have a good idea of what annoys me and to an extent other people on the vine. But we can all learn from one another, and I think sharing our experiences should make for some comedic and enlightening stories. Alright, I will go first (This is in no particular order).
Quite simply, its not needed. Even when someone is in the right, to insult another debater is not ethical IMO. And I'm not talking about subtle satire or sarcasm. I'm talking about anything from calling someone a f@*&ing idiot to saying that should commit suicide by shooting themselves in the mouth (mentioning no names here :P) . The battle forum is supposed to be fun and enlightening at the end of the day, and cursing and swearing at each-other detracts from that.
Surprise surprise. Not as high up my list as it used to be, as most trolls don't believe in their own logic IMO. Furthermore, I do believe that in the battle forums, the best/worst trolls (depending on how you see it) are in the Comicvine archives.
Overemphasis on winning.
Challenge a Viner and Debating tournaments are some of the best ideas that have come up here. Its great to have people show of their knowledge of their favorite characters, and get adequate recognition for it. However, while the prestige for being the best is awesome (as I'm surewould agree), debates are as much about learning about new characters and styles as about winning the latest tourney. Having this idea about debating actually ironically actually improves your debating skills, and will lead to you "winning" more often.
This in no way means that I'm giving up my pledge to become the best Essex bred Spider-Man debater
Treatment of new users.
We were all noobs once- well apart from
I am quiet a neat and tidy person (at least when I'm sober ;) ), so seeing a mangle of text which barely makes sense does grind my gears a bit. There is a edit function- using it makes everyone else's lives alot easier.
One Word Answers.
By this, I mean giving responses to threads which usually consists of X wins/stomps and then walking off. I can totally understand doing this, if an answer to a said thread is obvious or if someone has already said what you are going to say though. A sub-plot to this is something which used to happen alot in the earlier days of Comicvine when people would post images of who they thought they would win in a cool pose, as if that was enough reason for stating why that person would win. I know a picture is supposed to paint a thousand words, but jeez.
To me, the difference between a naive debater and a troll, is the burden of knowledge. Naive debaters are just that, Naive. I put it down to two things
Lack of Knowledge.
This is pretty easy to remedy and comes with time. If you don't know about a character at all, let more seasoned debaters concerning him discuss the character, rather than attempting to give a blind guess. Reduced degrees of this would be judging about a character based on out of context scans or one of feats. Comicvine has plenty of respect threads, and the wiki's are for the most part fairly accurate. Flesh out your knowledge of the characters you don't know about using these, as well as seeing more knowledgeable people show their prowess.
First off, there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a character. We all have our favorite characters and that's great- though Spider-Man still murks every other comicbook character ever made :P. This becomes a problem when because of your fondness of that said character, you try to argue that said character winning in spite of reason suggesting otherwise. Of course they are varying degrees of this, in which fanboyism tends to gravitate to the more moderate side, but the principle remains the same. Fanboyism doesn't improve your skills, in fact it does the opposite. Your more likely to use out of context scans to prove your point, ignore logic, give opinions rather than scans. You put more of an emphasis on winning, rather than learning, and as a result knowledge of other characters doesn't increase. In essence this ailment links to many of the other things which grinds my gears.
Well that's enough of my yibba yabba for one thread. Now its your turn. When have you experienced Debating Rage? What Grinds yours gears? And how do you deal with it?
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