50 Swat officers armed with m4 with armor peircing rounds, Flak Jacket, Pepper Spray, optic goggles, combat knife, flash grenade, handcuffs, and the intelligence and traning of a real life Swat ( not comic swat who couldnt find a way to get the fuck outside even if they were outside ) Vs DeathStoke with promethium staff
On a note, it'll actually probably be better if the bullets weren't armor piercing. They would have a higher chance of when they hit an arm to come out the back. While if not armor piercing, they could hit the arm, bounch off through the bone, tear down the stomach and come out the back.
However, they could hit a skull and tear down the insides of the body, causing less-damage. While on the other hand, if they were armor piercing, they would go straight through the brain, causing far more damage.
Basically, it depends on where the bullet hits, to decide the better out-come of which bullet would be more effective.
And for the topic, are we talking about like a Marine Corps or Army Swat, or just the civilian SWAT?
"On a note, it'll actually probably be better if the bullets weren't armor piercing. They would have a higher chance of when they hit an arm to come out the back. While if not armor piercing, they could hit the arm, bounch off through the bone, tear down the stomach and come out the back. However, they could hit a skull and tear down the insides of the body, causing less-damage. While on the other hand, if they were armor piercing, they would go straight through the brain, causing far more damage. Basically, it depends on where the bullet hits, to decide the better out-come of which bullet would be more effective. And for the topic, are we talking about like a Marine Corps or Army Swat, or just the civilian SWAT? "
Army Swat. More than likely DS has armor on his coustuem for regular bullets so it will mushroom before it actually goes in.
" @daak1212: What kind of armor does he typically use? If you mean Kevlar, it can only take a certain amount of hits, before it starts to break down. "
Yeah most likely DS uses Kevlar so I see your point. I guese one could account for DS's added muscle mass making more cushin against the bullets being enhance human and all but these are FMJ .32 so more than likely they'll rip threw him like toilet paper.
The only way the SWAt take him, is if they find him and he dont know, i mean how many times, they have problem with real humans, DS is smarter that those humans, also he wil find a way to take them down on big number. DS wins by the fact, that Swat take down real bad guys, but DS take down superheroes.
"The only way the SWAt take him, is if they find him and he dont know, i mean how many times, they have problem with real humans, DS is smarter that those humans, also he wil find a way to take them down on big number. DS wins by the fact, that Swat take down real bad guys, but DS take down superheroes. "
DS takes them down with prep.
Lets be honest people, the cops in comics are utterly useless. Those police operate as a revolving door, you say you wanna be a cop the next day your on patrol. They have no real training at all there stupid. Real life cops have traning and seeing as wer are using army swat they have tons fo traning.
" just about every serious comic-book street level characther would win easy "
No way. If cops were written more comics like they act in the real world they would win far more often. First no SWAT team just rushes in they establish a perimeter with snipers. Second, contrary to comics, SWAT teams are well trained in extraction and strive to fight with overwhelming force. Armed with his staff, DS would face on onslaught of sniper fire from a distance he could not counter, he would find the building surrounded by armored cops in positions. And the extraction team would be composed of crack shots in full armor and well trained as a team.
50 real world cops would take him down. This is one instance where the real world trumps the comic world.
Deathstroke. Real-world cops are slightly better than comic-book cops in all areas, but some of you guys exaggerate their actual skills. Clearly those mentioned have never actually used guns in a fight before.
"Clearly those mentioned have never actually used guns in a fight before. "
No, clearly the truth is you don't have an accurate perception of how ridiculously different cops are in most comic universes to real world. And that those huge differences are exactly why a lot of comic book universes function as they do.
"Clearly those mentioned have never actually used guns in a fight before. "
No, clearly the truth is you don't have an accurate perception of how ridiculously different cops are in most comic universes to real world. And that those huge differences are exactly why a lot of comic book universes function as they do. "
O rly? Real world SWAT squads are better trained, better strategists. They are not better shots, which make the entire difference in this fight.
" O rly? Real world SWAT squads are better trained, better strategists. They are not better shots, which make the entire difference in this fight. "
yes really. You should actually watch these guys in actions in competition compared to the storm trooper academy of shooting cops have in most comic book universes. And given there is 50 of them all trained in extreme lethal scenario tactics, they would win.
" O rly? Real world SWAT squads are better trained, better strategists. They are not better shots, which make the entire difference in this fight. "
yes really. You should actually watch these guys in actions in competition compared to the storm trooper academy of shooting cops have in most comic book universes. And given there is 50 of them all trained in extreme lethal scenario tactics, they would win. "
And should I assume you are a member of a SWAT team with some personal experience in this field? The stormtrooper effect only applies when the characters in question under-perform in relation to their reputation and their targets have no significant advantages. Deathstroke has very obvious advantages: the strength of ten men (and has feats better than that), the ability to perceive and think 9 times faster than an ordinary human being, significantly enhanced agility and speed, a good healing factor. This isn't the Punisher we're talking about.
"And should I assume you are a member of a SWAT team with some personal experience in this field? "
No but I don't need to, since I read a lot more then comics and don't base my judgment on pop culture. We don't even hear about most of the stuff swat deals with because they are actually successful. @CosmicSpiral said:
" AThe stormtrooper effect only applies when the characters in question under-perform in relation to their reputation "
No the Stormtrooper effect is when a character doesn't perform to the ability he is endowed with because of plot necessity. If the Stormtroopers had actually been shown in the movies with the level of competence they do have, they would have won.
@CosmicSpiral said:
"Deathstroke has very obvious advantages: the strength of ten men (and has feats better than that), the ability to perceive and think 9 times faster than an ordinary human being, significantly enhanced agility and speed . This isn't the Punisher we're talking about. "
none of these advantages would allow him to defeat 50 trained swat agents acting like they do in the real world. As none of his abilities make him immune to their capabilities or give anyway of actually escaping the perimeter where in the current senario their will be at least 10 snipers in different spots, the guys keeping the outside perimeter and the extraction team. Let's be realistic, without prep DS loses because he's one dude against 50 who have everything to take him down with minimal losses.
DS train the same that them and have power, how they could stop a version of them with powers? He think what are the plans they are going to do and then he will counter them.
"And should I assume you are a member of a SWAT team with some personal experience in this field? "
No but I don't need to, since I read a lot more then comics and don't base my judgment on pop culture. We don't even hear about most of the stuff swat deals with because they are actually successful.
Boo-hoo, no one cares. Go read some more and learn that the vast majority of bullets fired by paramilitary and military units never hit their targets. Better yet, go out and actually fire one of the guns SWAT teams use in combat scenarios. Then ask yourself how much harder it would be to hit a moving target who thinks and moves faster than an ordinary human and who's constantly planning strategies against you. Then ask yourself the additional problems with moving around while firing while Deathstroke is trying to kill you.
@Crom-Cruach said:
No the Stormtrooper effect is when a character doesn't perform to the ability he is endowed with because of plot necessity. If the Stormtroopers had actually been shown in the movies with the level of competence they do have, they would have won.
A) That's called PIS. B) That makes no sense whatsoever. Stormtroopers don't actually exist so you can't cop out by saying "Oh, the stormtroopers in Star Wars weren't performing the way real stormtroopers do." Where are the real stormtroopers you're basing your opinion on? C) You just claimed that the original source material doesn't represent the characters it introduced correctly. Lulz, epic fail.
@Crom-Cruach said:
none of these advantages would allow him to defeat 50 trained swat agents acting like they do in the real world. As none of his abilities make him immune to their capabilities or give anyway of actually escaping the perimeter where in the current senario their will be at least 10 snipers in different spots, the guys keeping the outside perimeter and the extraction team. Let's be realistic, without prep DS loses because he's one dude against 50 who have everything to take him down with minimal losses. "
The OP states that the 50 SWAT individuals are in a parking lot. They have no prep and no buildings to set up on. You're pretending that a guy with around ten times the reflexes, speed, cognitive processing ability, and strength of an ordinary human being cannot exploit those remarkable advantages. A guy who carries an literal arsenal around with him whenever he goes. A highly trained assassin who can tank .50 caliber rounds in his back and only be stunned for seconds.
" just about every serious comic-book street level characther would win easy "
No way. If cops were written more comics like they act in the real world they would win far more often. First no SWAT team just rushes in they establish a perimeter with snipers. Second, contrary to comics, SWAT teams are well trained in extraction and strive to fight with overwhelming force. Armed with his staff, DS would face on onslaught of sniper fire from a distance he could not counter, he would find the building surrounded by armored cops in positions. And the extraction team would be composed of crack shots in full armor and well trained as a team. 50 real world cops would take him down. This is one instance where the real world trumps the comic world. "
If these are any of the cops that get shown in the media using tazers against children for being called for when they act out in class, then i'd actually want Deathstroke to brutalize them.
The cops, DS is just a made up character, lol. No, but really DS would stomp them worse than what he has done to the JLA, JSA, and Teen Titans, who are all superpowered heroes. For DS, this is like us stomping on Ants.
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