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#1  Edited By bigcimmerian

- Arrow versions, both have swords

- In character, Slade is on Mirakuru

- Who wins and why?

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Deathstroke wins. He impressed me more and his feats are overall more solid IMO.

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In terms of skill, Slade is clearly outclassed, so in hand-to-hand I tend to think Ra's will find a way to incapacitate him despite the Mirakuru.

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#4 rogueshadow  Moderator

I'd like to see more of Ra's as well as more of Slade off the Mirakuru, since I've seen people suggest he was a little trippy when he fought Ollie due to just being hit with the cure, which is plausible.

My gut says Ra's though. Nobody has made Ollie look like such a punk in the skill department before. Ra's' skill is pretty intense, it seemed like Ollie was little more than, 'skilled fodder' compared to Ra's.

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Deathstroke until we see more of Ra's.

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#6 frozen  Moderator

Deathstroke.

People should not get too caught up with the Ra's fight; had Deathstroke fought Oliver in the same conditions Ra's did, Slade would have stomped.

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#7  Edited By Silverrings

Feats for Ra's?

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I thought the OP was using comic versions.

DS wins, regardless.

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I'd like to see more of Ra's as well as more of Slade off the Mirakuru, since I've seen people suggest he was a little trippy when he fought Ollie due to just being hit with the cure, which is plausible.

My gut says Ra's though. Nobody has made Ollie look like such a punk in the skill department before. Ra's' skill is pretty intense, it seemed like Ollie was little more than, 'skilled fodder' compared to Ra's.

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I'd say Slade beat Ollie faster than Ra's

but it is true that Ra's took Ollie's swords away from him

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#10  Edited By Bats16

@silverrings said:

Feats for Ra's?

Easily took on and killed 8 of his own men at the same time. Made Oliver look like a child in their duel. Oliver started with two swords while Ra's started unarmed and Oliver couldn't even land a hit. Ra's easily disarmed him and took his blade from him. He also easily caught Oliver's sword with his bare hand.

In terms of skill Slade is outmatched here. The only way he's winning is with the mirakuru.

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After watching Ras in action I'm actually leaning more towards him. Ollie could barely get a hit in. His fights with Slade he's actually able to block and land shots. Can't wait to see more of Ras or who knows maybe even Ras vs Slade sometime.

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#14  Edited By frozen  Moderator

@pokeysteve said:

After watching Ras in action I'm actually leaning more towards him. Ollie could barely get a hit in. His fights with Slade he's actually able to block and land shots. Can't wait to see more of Ras or who knows maybe even Ras vs Slade sometime.

As impressive as Ra's certainly was, I don't think he'll be able to compensate against that physical advantage Slade has while on mirakuru. The mirakuru feats are more reliable as of now. That neck shot which took Oliver out would be something Slade could anticipate due to enhanced physicals.

I do hope to see Ra's vs Slade. Or Slade (on mirakuru and prep) vs the League of Assassins, plot wise it might not make sense but it just sounds so damn awesome.

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@mrnoital: Slade overpowered Oliver, but he wasn´t more skilled than him.

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#16 rogueshadow  Moderator

@mrnoital: That wasn't skill, he overpowered him, Ollie screams in pain. It's not like I just forgot about that.

As of now, I don't think we can accurately say. But my gut says Ra's, he is crazy skilled.

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@black_arrow: He blocked both Kali sticks with his one sword and cut him up by angling his sword, used a martial arts flip, and knocked him out with a punch, that's not exactly overpowering, it seemed like he was only using his skill intentionally

they both have feats of taking out groups of guys around them with a sword while not getting hit once

Slade and Ra's pretty close in skill, even if Ra's might be better

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How come in every Merlyn vs Deathstroke thread made after season 2, you guys say Merlyn is better than Stroke but now you guys are saying he's better than Ra's? In a show where we are suppose to see Oliver evolve from being a billionaire playboy to Green Arrow, its logical to think every main villain should be stronger than the previous villian.

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@rogueshadow: Ollie screams in pain when Slade cuts him

Slade overpowered Sara and Diggle, he outclassed Ollie

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#21 frozen  Moderator

How come in every Merlyn vs Deathstroke thread made after season 2, you guys say Merlyn is better than Stroke but now you guys are saying he's better than Ra's? In a show where we are suppose to see Oliver evolve from being a billionaire playboy to Green Arrow, its logical to think every main villain should be stronger than the previous villian.

That was Slade without mirakuru. The thread with Slade on mirakuru vs Malcolm Merlyn had Slade stomping.

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Slade wins pretty easily.

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Slade is a complete beast, even of mirakuru. The only reason Oliver took him out was Oliie capitalized on Deathstrokes confusion after being hit by the cure.

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#24 rogueshadow  Moderator

@mrnoital said:

@rogueshadow: Ollie screams in pain when Slade cuts him

Slade overpowered Sara and Diggle, he outclassed Ollie

Disagree.

I think Ollie was doing alright until Slade pushes against him and he screams in agony.

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Slade he's to strong and durable.

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#26  Edited By Mrnoital

@rogueshadow: to me that looks like he moves around him and pushes his sword into Ollies shoulder

but agree to disagree I guess

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#27  Edited By Black_Arrow

@mrnoital said:

@black_arrow: He blocked both Kali sticks with his one sword and cut him up by angling his sword, used a martial arts flip, and knocked him out with a punch, that's not exactly overpowering, it seemed like he was only using his skill intentionally

they both have feats of taking out groups of guys around them with a sword while not getting hit once

Slade and Ra's pretty close in skill, even if Ra's might be better

For me he pushed against Oliver overpowering him. If I am not mistaken Slade fought that time four guys and they weren´t nothing really special. Ra´s fought eight ninjas with swords without getting hit once (we know that these ninjas are tough). I disagree Ra´s appears way more skilled than Slade, who was loosing against Oliver once that he was normal (what I mean is that he is on the same level of Oliver).

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Deathstroke stomps !

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Slade few!

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Deathstroke punches a hole in Ra's chest.The physical gap is too big between them

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Deathstroke.

Ra's has two minutes worth of feats.

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Slade beat oliver in hand 2 hand not that impressive hell Helena even did that.

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Ra seems more skilled than Slade, but slade with mirakuru is just too much.

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Deathstroke for now.

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#37  Edited By mickey-mouse

In character, Slade is on Mirakuru

Slade GOD STOMPS

IMO this thread should be closed. There is nothing that Ra has done that says he can compete with Super Slade who has a healing factor maybe better than MCU Caps, can barley flinch from hits by Superpowered Roy, and has super strength. Oh, and he has skill on par with Ollie's. Oh and he's wearing bullet proof armor that's very durable, I imagine it's gonna be hard to cut or stab him with a sword either.

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slade is superior in every physical way, plus his bullet-tanking armor.

ollie landing hits on slade doesn't mean much because slade was very overconfident in his durability. but with no explosive arrows to weaken him, and no cure, i don't see how ra's has a chance

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@black_arrow: slade was weakened when he was drugged, on the island he beat thra and ollie extremley easily,

Slade stomps 10/10 what can Ra's do to win??? Fully bullet proof, was tanking automatic gunfire, quicker, can one shot, one shot ollie which people are somehow forgetting, he made ollie look worse than Ra's did

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.Slade should take this. Even though Ra's is more skilled, the stats difference is too much to overcome. Ra's needs more strength and durability feats to stand a chance againstSlade.

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#42  Edited By Mrnoital

@elderskaar: what does blood have anything to do with this? Slade dropped Ollie in no time at all and could have killed him with no resistance

and it's not clear at all that there's no blood, it could easily be soaked up by his jacket

if you watch the episode, they go to the hospital and Ollie gets stitched up, saying they were in a motorcycle accident

and if you're going to try to debate someone, use facts instead of just calling them stupid

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Nolan Batman solos them both he has a respect thread.

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@mrnoital: wtf? I didn't call you stupid, i meant the show was sometimes stupid because if you punch someone with one ton of force i am sure you should bleed or get. A cracked nose

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Nolan Batman solos them both he has a respect thread.

I hope you're not serious.

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@elderskaar: yeah, but you don't get knocked unconscious with a punch to the nose, it usually takes a hit closer to the temple, and that doesn't need to break the skin, so I don't think it matters that he wasn't bleeding from the punch

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@mrnoital said:

@elderskaar: yeah, but you don't get knocked unconscious with a punch to the nose, it usually takes a hit closer to the temple, and that doesn't need to break the skin, so I don't think it matters that he wasn't bleeding from the punch

It should still have made him bleed noseblood, my friend felt of his bike and started bleeding noseblood.