Come on Wade Wilson vs Slade Wilson
Deadpool is just Deathstroke's inferior Marvel counterpart Slade has better feats is better at his job and is just plain cooler he stomps D-Pool
Come on Wade Wilson vs Slade Wilson
Deadpool is just Deathstroke's inferior Marvel counterpart Slade has better feats is better at his job and is just plain cooler he stomps D-Pool
@brooksy1: Deadpool kills the marvel universe is non-canon. It was also implied in that (non canon) series that he was only that dangerous because of what he went through in the beginning.
Also in my opinion people are overestimating Wade's healing factor. While it is an advantage it is not foolproof and in fact their are multiple instances where he is defeated despite it. If Slade's gadgets can affect Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern ext. they can affect Wade.
Slade has proven multiple times that he can go toe to toe with entire teams of heroes that are clearly more powerful than Wade. If Slade can go toe to toe with Wonder Woman without prep (the scans are in the Deathstroke respect thread) he can beat Wade.
I'm not saying Deadpool is weak at all and in fact in my opinion he is probably one of the greatest street levelers and mercenaries in comics. Deathstroke has repeatedly demonstrated that he can match entire teams of superheroes with prep, go toe toe with the dc universe's greatest martial artists (Batman, Knightwing, Multiple Robin's, Batgirl ext.), and beat individual Super humans with out prep. I'm somewhat of a Deadpool fan to but even I have to admit that Deathstroke is simply out of his league.
The only advantage Deadpool has is his superior healing factor and even that will merely delay the inevitable.
I actually hate to say this because im a much bigger fan of Deathstroke. But 8/10 to Deadpool VIA massive healing factor.
Deadpool every time because it is stated that he does not feel fatigue and he can't even die. So it is only a matter of time before Deathstroke slows down
Whats stopping slade from cutting off his head and locking it in a box.
I like Slade far more, but power wise DeadPools healing factor would be near impossible for Slade to get by. Deadpool can grow back entire limbs.
He's not faster than deadpool and deathstroke is overrated
He's not faster than deadpool and deathstroke is overrated
Whats stopping slade from cutting off his head and locking it in a box.
Also deadpool beheaded can still fight normally
@ultragreenboy: Deadpool regrowing his head even though its in a box, he has that kind of power.
@eisenfauste: Wait a second it regrows ?
@kanen: I thought it screwed with his vision
IIRC Wade wasn't originally a DS knockoff, he was written by Liefield, someone said that he looked like Slade. So Liefield said, "Take this DC!" And called Deadpool Wade Wilson.
@ultragreenboy: I was just kidding, though the writer does whatever the fack he wants with deadpool, namely automatically giving him any weapon he wants even if their not on his person
He fills Hulks mouths with grenades he wasn't shown to have anywhere near him or on his person, and heals from being punched to bits by the Hulk.
IIRC Wade wasn't originally a DS knockoff, he was written by Liefield, someone said that he looked like Slade. So Liefield said, "Take this DC!" And called Deadpool Wade Wilson.
I remember someone was comparing him to deathstroke while talking with Liefield but i cant remember who
@ultragreenboy: I was just kidding, though the writer does whatever the fack he wants with deadpool, namely automatically giving him any weapon he wants even if their not on his person
He fills Hulks mouths with grenades he wasn't shown to have anywhere near him or on his person, and heals from being punched to bits by the Hulk.
Oh alright
@kanen: Actually Deathstroke is faster.
Here are three notable speed feats Deadpool cannot begin to equal:
1. Stabbed a running flash with his sword. I repeat he stabbed Flash the guy with unlimited speed with a sword.
2. In a Teen Titans story line (granted it was old) Deathstroke and his son (who has the same powers) repeatably dodged Kid Flash without effort (until his son got distracted).
2. He kneecapped Kid Flash while Kid Flash was running. This one isn't plot induced stupidity for one simple reason it put Kid Flash out of action for several comics (and motivated his personality change).
Deadpool has no feats that can equal a guy who can fight the Flash family.
On another note Marvel has officially stated that Deadpool cannot regrow his head (he has to reattach it). So if Deathstroke cut off his head and tossed it into the ocean Deadpool would be disabled until he can find his head.
Also Deadpool's immortality is in fact overrated. Their are other characters in the marvel universe granted the exact same immortality and they can and have been beaten before (trapped under a mountain, reduced to a floating head in space by Thanos, trapped in space ext.). The immortality Death grants doesn't equal invincibility.
On a hopefully final note Deathstroke has better feats. Deathstroke has gone toe to toe with the Justice League and the Teen Titans. I have yet to see Deadpool beat the Avengers, the X-men, or even Alpha Flight by himself in a canon story line (Deadpool kills the marvel universe doesn't count because it was a what if mini series and in fact Marvel has themselves stated it is non canon.).
Deadpool's healing factor and immortality while strong are his only advantage and when he is put up against a person like Deathstroke who can solo the Justice League, Teen Titans, and the Batman family it just isn't enough.
I like Deadpool he has some cool and funny moments but against Deathstroke he is simply outclassed.
If you wan't more feats from Deathstroke that prove my point you can go to his numerous respect threads.
Here are some speed and reaction feats for Deathstroke:
Here Deathstroke shoots Impulse in the knee. It wasn't plot induced stupidity the injury in fact put Impulse out of commission for several issues and motivated a personality change.
Here he again proves he has the reflexes to fight and beat Kid Flash
Here he dodges machine gun fire.
Here is one of Deathstroke's most notable hand to hand feats:
Here are some more Deathstroke feats:
Strength:
here he kicks down a reinforced door with ease
here he punches and rips through a wall
here he breaks steel chains with his strength.
Defeating Super humans:
Here he defeats Starfire
iv reached my post limits for now i'll have to post the other feats tomorrow.
Please deathstroke lost to nightwing and Batman alone. So beating the JL doesn't matter here. Plus he beat the JL with prep and beating a bunch of Teenage kids can't is nothing to brag about. Deadpool has healed from being liquefied by the hulk so Deadpool can handle anything that DS can dish and some
@kanen: Actually Deathstroke is faster.
Here are three notable speed feats Deadpool cannot begin to equal:
1. Stabbed a running flash with his sword. I repeat he stabbed Flash the guy with unlimited speed with a sword.
2. In a Teen Titans story line (granted it was old) Deathstroke and his son (who has the same powers) repeatably dodged Kid Flash without effort (until his son got distracted).
2. He kneecapped Kid Flash while Kid Flash was running. This one isn't plot induced stupidity for one simple reason it put Kid Flash out of action for several comics (and motivated his personality change).
Deadpool has no feats that can equal a guy who can fight the Flash family.
On another note Marvel has officially stated that Deadpool cannot regrow his head (he has to reattach it). So if Deathstroke cut off his head and tossed it into the ocean Deadpool would be disabled until he can find his head.
Also Deadpool's immortality is in fact overrated. Their are other characters in the marvel universe granted the exact same immortality and they can and have been beaten before (trapped under a mountain, reduced to a floating head in space by Thanos, trapped in space ext.). The immortality Death grants doesn't equal invincibility.
On a hopefully final note Deathstroke has better feats. Deathstroke has gone toe to toe with the Justice League and the Teen Titans. I have yet to see Deadpool beat the Avengers, the X-men, or even Alpha Flight by himself in a canon story line (Deadpool kills the marvel universe doesn't count because it was a what if mini series and in fact Marvel has themselves stated it is non canon.).
Deadpool's healing factor and immortality while strong are his only advantage and when he is put up against a person like Deathstroke who can solo the Justice League, Teen Titans, and the Batman family it just isn't enough.
I like Deadpool he has some cool and funny moments but against Deathstroke he is simply outclassed.
If you wan't more feats from Deathstroke that prove my point you can go to his numerous respect threads.
As long as you know him tagging Flash was PIS
You guys act like Deadpool hasn't easily shot down speedsters before.
And guess what? Wade's feats don't have PIS in them.
I have three points for you:
1. Those guys are nowhere near Flash speed.
2. Shooting Impulse in the knee wasn't pis it put him out of commission for several comics and was part of the reason Bart became Kid Flash.
3. If you continued reading after the Batman and Nightwing fight you would know A. He escaped without them knowing, B. He left a note stating that he could have stabbed them in the back if he wanted to and third and finally C. Every other time he has fought any member of the Batman family he has curb stomped them.
Stabbing Flash may have been pis depending on who you talk to however Deathstroke has proven multiple times that he has the reflexes to fight the Flash family. Pis only applies if its something out of the characters known ability. Deathstroke being able to tag Flash has been part of his capabilities for years now.
Also you wan't proof he can fight super hero teams well here are some feats:
here he fights the Teen Titans by himself like he has done many times before.
I have more scans if you need more proof. I would really like to see Deadpool take on any one of the those power houses much less so many at once.
Like I said I don't hate Deadpool (in fact i'm a fan) its just that outside of non canon storylines (like Deadpool Kills The Marvel Universe) he has no feats that even put him in the same ball park as Deathstroke.
1. Yes. You are correct. They are nowhere near Flash's speed. You know why? Because they don't contain PIS. You do know that even Kid Flash (Wally) could react in the attosecond range?
If you're not already aware, an attosecond is one quintillionth of a second. For reference, it takes one attosecond for light to travel the length of three hydrogen atoms. Unless you legitimately think Deathstroke is that fast in terms of reaction and combat speed, it's bad writing and a completely laughable feat. Even if you argue that Flashes hold back against their opponent, their reaction time is still far too superior to be tagged by a stationary object (the feat you referenced with Slade standing still and holding out the sword was with Deathstroke standing still), let alone a moving one.
2. And? Just because Bart was taken out of the fight for an extended period of time doesn't make the feat any more credible. It's just a prolonged state of bad writing.
3. A note doesn't confirm that the character has the ability to do so. The same can be said for statements from vice versa. If Batman said "Deathstroke would own me in a single punch", it doesn't confirm that the mentioned is true. Actions speak louder than words, and Batman has given lengthy brawls against Slade and Nightwing has also done considerably well. Deathstroke does have the feats and abilities to have a healthy win against Batman and his family individually, but against the entire Bat-Family? I think not.
Furthermore, stabbing Flash is PIS regardless of how you cut it. There are only 2 instances I remember Deathstroke being able to tag a Flash member, one when he shot Bart and the other when he landed a stab wound. There's a third one where he managed to trip Wally IIRC, but shortly after Wally revealed he was holding back and gave a hefty beat-down to Slade. Even if he has been tagging various Flash members since the 90's, it's inconsistent to his character overall and doesn't make sense when compared to his plethora of other feats and fights against other street-levelers.
4. Just to clear something up about Deathstroke taking on the Justice League...he had a comfortable amount of prep, resources, intelligence and bad writing on his side against the team before facing up against them...and still lost in the end. Yes, while Slade holding his own against the Justice League is impressive, it still has bad writing sprinkled in it. The most famous example being this little moment.
Marvelous. Now in regards to Slade's fight in the scans you posted, it's probably the most accurate I've seen. However, there is interference inside the Teen Titans themselves as you can clearly see with the conflict between Cassandra Cain and Nightwing. If the two were working together seamlessly, I'd argue they would beat Slade in a two versus one fight with the former doing most of the work. It's still a nice feat though and showcases how Slade can utilize his enhanced brain and physique to overcome huge odds. But, it's just not as impressive as the feats Deadpool has under his belt in terms of fighting against entire teams.
Honestly, I don't see Deathstroke being able to replicate many of these feats without the assistance of prep.
@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Nice to see you back debating.
@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: @alexander121793: Pretty sure Slade used a poison or something to paralyze Bart before kneecapping him. With that said he has tagged kid flash many times and he did once shoot bart with his blast staff. I assume they aren't moving at their full speeds when getting tagged.
Also just to address the showing in titans east Cassandra was off her game because Slade drugged her and mind controlled her in that arc. She was the only one who wasn't really working with the titans in that instance. Also its worth noting Slade was holding back against them as well in that fight (it was part of his plan).
Also in the fight with the avengers I would argue deadpool was defeated twice (the second defeat being debatable though). She hulk was pounding on him and got blasted away when she let up and killmonger had disarmed deadpool. Admittedly its possible deadpool could have won but he was at a disadvantage against killmonger.
I will point out that I knew the JSA fight was with prep I just didn't feel the need to state so because it was pointed out earlier. I was just trying to make the point that he could do it.
Also I will answer your point here.
1. You made a few errors here and I will kindly point them out for you: A: You are trying to apply real world logic to comics when it has clearly been shown in Dc and Marvel comics that they do not always apply. B. Whether it is bad writing or not Deathstroke has tagged and even sometimes dodged Flash, Kid Flash, and Impulse every time he has fought them so it is in his capabilities.
I'm not saying that the Flash family ( Flash, Kid Flash and Impulse are the main ones) were moving at full speed that they didn't underestimate, or that they weren't holding back i'm just pointing out that he has proven in his numerous confrontations with them that he can hit them.
3. That's about the only time Batman and Nightwing have ever beaten Deathstroke in a fight. If you actually read the comics where Batman and or Nightwing have fought Deathstroke before you will clearly see that almost always beat him.
4. I'm well aware of Deadpool's capabilities like I said before i'm a fan of Deathstroke and Deadpool (though I do in fact like Deathstroke more). I have in fact looked up Deadpool's feats before. It is just that Deathstroke has arguably better canon feats.
5. His feats may be poor writing depending on who you ask but the fact of the matter remains he has accomplished similar feats almost every time he has fought the characters so their not exactly outside his capabilities. If you need scans of his various appearances I can provide them.
Here are some scans to prove point 3:
here in one of his earlier appearances he easily beats Nightwing who is forced to escape rather than continue fighting.
Here he Nightwing is enraged over the fact that Deathstroke killed his own son. Deathstroke has no interest in fighting him so he allows Dick to beat on him before ending the fight easily.
Here Deathstroke beats Batman
Here he defeats Nightwing again
Just because he had a few low showings against Batman and Nightwing doesn't mean they can normally beat him. He has in fact beat them in almost all of his appearances.
I hate when new users save loads of scans from other peoples debates and then mass-spam them in stacked format in order to appear knowledgeable...
Also about the green lantern thing while the way he defeated him may in fact been poor writing he has in fact proven that he has what it takes to fight Green Lantern in the relatively few times he's fought him.
Here are some notable ones:
Here he briefly confronts Aquaman and Green Lantern before escaping.
Here he confronts Green Lantern again.
Honestly, I don't see Deathstroke being able to replicate many of these feats without the assistance of prep.
Well, if you discount everything mentioned for Slade as PIS and then treat similar antics from Wade as legitimate, yeah, Deathstroke can't replicate any of these things. You're actually arguing that it's bad writing when Slade fights the Titans but "impressive tactics" when Wade fights the Avengers?
@alexander121793: Put your scans under a spoiler block if you're going to post that many of them, otherwise they just clutter up the thread and make it irritating to read.
@i_like_swords: I had no idea these scans were posted before sorry.
Also sorry about not putting them in a spoiler this is my first time posting scans so I don't know how.
I would really appreciate it if somebody would explain to me how to spoiler block things.
@saren: If you can give me context for the feats I see Deathstroke pull (especially the ones with him tagging Flash), then I'll consider then as legitimate.
@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: While I don't have the scans on hand right now I can explain how he is able to tag flash.
Deathstroke has pointing out himself that the reason why he can tag the Flash is a combination of his reflexes and the fact that he can use his enhanced brain to predict Flash's movement. While he does have greatly enhanced reflexes and speed (he can move and react faster than thought, dodge machine gun fire, dodge Starfire's Starbolts, ext) the primary reason why he can tag the Flash is that he can use his brain to predict Flashes most likely course of action and then he uses a combination of tactics and his enhanced reflects to shoot, punch, dodge ext. where he predicts the Flash will most likely be. So basically while it is a reflex feat its also a brainpower and tactic feat. As has happened to Flash numerous times while Flash has incredible Super Speed he can be caught flat footed.
I'm not saying he is able to keep up with Flash and in fact before he stabbed Flash he was getting speed blitzed i'm just saying he has proven multiple times that he has ways he can tag Flash as my explanation pointed out.
Does that adequately explain it?
I do have so more speed feats that demonstrate outside of characters with super speed that he is far from slow himself however i'm still trying to figure out how to spoiler tag pictures
@saren: If you can give me context for the feats I see Deathstroke pull (especially the ones with him tagging Flash), then I'll consider then as legitimate.
The context is the same context surrounding any time a speedster gets tagged by someone far below them in speed. Speedsters don't run around as fast as they can all the time, and because they're moving at lower speeds, they can be tagged. If Superman holding back on his strength to avoid turning anyone he punches into a floating red haze is something everyone can understand, why is the Flash getting tagged by people when he's holding back on his speed something that requires so much debate? It's the same context behind why Colossus and She-Hulk don't just grab Wade and rip him in half like they're perfectly capable of doing.
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