#1 Posted by Clantern (666 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry if this has been done, i checked the re-cap thread and i couldn't find it anywhere, so i posted here.


##Deathstroke##


http://www.comicvine.com/deathstroke/3588/


Captain America


http://www.comicvine.com/captain-america/1442/


See i always though that Captain America would win, then i read Identity Crisi #3, if i can be bothered i'll post a few scans later, he takes on:-


Elongated man, GA, Zatanna, Flash, Hawkman, the Atom, Black Canary and Kyle Rayner and almost beats them all.


I'm at a crossroad here, need help, someone help me choose please.

#2 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

It's been done a long time ago.

#3 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Super-Buster says:

"But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going to force this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DS because he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus, he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means a curbstomp."

Looks like a curbstomp to me.

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#4 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

It's been done before a few times, unfortunatly, when I tell people "Post battles that've been done before in the Re-Cap thread because I can't do it all" they don't listen. Deathstroke was voted the winner anyway.

#5 Posted by Super-Buster (2358 posts) - - Show Bio

But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going to force this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DS because he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus, he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means a curbstomp.

#6 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Super-Buster says:

"But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going toforce this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DSbecause he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus,he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means acurbstomp."

I'm not forcing him to do anything. Just saying that it's pointless to

debate a thread that has already been debated. That's what the Re-Cap

thread is for. And, even if it isn't there, it's been done already
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#7 Posted by King Saturn (224168 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke should win here. I think this fight has been done before. But its been quite a while though

#8 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Super-Buster says:
"But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going to force this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DS because he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus, he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means a curbstomp."

Looks like a curbstomp to me."

Deathstroke didn't curbstomp Bronze Tiger or Batman. Don't see how he could do it to Cap who is faster stronger and more durable than those two. I go with Cap for those reasons, but he wouldn't win every time they fight.

#9 Posted by DRDOOMSDAY390 (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

(((captain america)))

#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Super-Buster says:
"But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going to force this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DS because he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus, he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means a curbstomp."
Looks like a curbstomp to me."
Deathstroke didn't curbstomp Bronze Tiger or Batman. Don't see how he could do it to Cap who is faster stronger and more durable than those two. I go with Cap for those reasons, but he wouldn't win every time they fight."

Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either.

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#11 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"POHOCOM says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Super-Buster says:
"But that doesn't mean we still can't debate it, are we really going to force this guy to dig through pages of battle threads? I would say DS because he is technically super-human while Cap is peak, I think, plus, he usually brings along more stuff to work with, it's by no means a curbstomp."
Looks like a curbstomp to me."
Deathstroke didn't curbstomp Bronze Tiger or Batman. Don't see how he could do it to Cap who is faster stronger and more durable than those two. I go with Cap for those reasons, but he wouldn't win every time they fight."

Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."

Cap isn't stronger than Bronze Tiger or Batman?

#12 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is peak human, olympiccaly fast, strong, agile , durable, stamina..ated, coordinated, aand so forth.

If BT and BM hare Olympic in one of these or a couple they aren't in all, or they took the serum too.

actually Cap is above Olympic.

#13 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Sling Shot says:

"Cap is peak human, olympiccaly fast, strong, agile , durable, stamina..ated, coordinated, aand so forth.If BT and BM hare Olympic in one of these or a couple they aren't in all, or they took the serum too.actually Cap is above Olympic."

That's why he would fare better than they did against Deathstroke.

#14 Posted by Ketch (327 posts) - - Show Bio

He can do better and still lose.

#15 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"He can do better and still lose."

Thats true. But I don't think he would. Possibly the first meeting but not after Cap knew what Deathstroke could do.

#16 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."

Vance, what are you talking about!?

#17 Posted by Spidey-Fan123 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"

Crap squared.

#18 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"

Am I missing something? Did Cap some how get superhuman attributes when I wasn't looking? Last time I checked..neither Cap,Batman,or BT are above peak human. I'm also saying I don't think Cap can beat DS at all.Cap doesn't have anything over him.He basically is Cap but he doesn't care if his oppoenent dies.

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#19 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey-Fan123 says:

"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Crap squared."

Talk when you can prove what I said is wrong.Captain America doesn't have any enhanced strength,durability,or speed and neither does Batman or Bronze Tiger.

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#20 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Am I missing something? Did Cap some how get superhuman attributes when I wasn't looking? Last time I checked..neither Cap,Batman,or BT are above peak human. I'm also saying I don't think Cap can beat DS at all.Cap doesn't have anything over him.He basically is Cap but he doesn't care if his oppoenent dies."

all anyone else is saying is that cap is above batman and bt in everything. they arent tied with him in anything.

#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Am I missing something? Did Cap some how get superhuman attributes when I wasn't looking? Last time I checked..neither Cap,Batman,or BT are above peak human. I'm also saying I don't think Cap can beat DS at all.Cap doesn't have anything over him.He basically is Cap but he doesn't care if his oppoenent dies."
all anyone else is saying is that cap is above batman and bt in everything. they arent tied with him in anything."

And what i'm saying is he's not.Every source I have ever looked at says Batman is peak human levels in the same areas Cap is and Bats has even more of an edge over him because of his intellect which he uses in battle.Cap maybe above BT physically,i'm not sure but...Cap's difference in physical ability compared to his isn't overwhelming.

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#22 Posted by T.J. Magnum (27685 posts) - - Show Bio

cap

#23 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Apparition says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Am I missing something? Did Cap some how get superhuman attributes when I wasn't looking? Last time I checked..neither Cap,Batman,or BT are above peak human. I'm also saying I don't think Cap can beat DS at all.Cap doesn't have anything over him.He basically is Cap but he doesn't care if his oppoenent dies."
all anyone else is saying is that cap is above batman and bt in everything. they arent tied with him in anything."
And what i'm saying is he's not.Every source I have ever looked at says Batman is peak human levels in the same areas Cap is and Bats has even more of an edge over him because of his intellect which he uses in battle.Cap maybe above BT physically,i'm not sure but...Cap's difference in physical ability compared to his isn't overwhelming."
the only sources i've ever seen with batman peak human would be in strength and reaction time, but not in everything across the boards like captain america. and that's what those encyclopedia's say. have you ever seen a batman comic where batman fights a normal human who's stronger than he is? i have. lots and lots of them. i've seen other normal humans who are quicker than batman. bronze tiger is one of them. so i wouldnt say that batman is peak human in anything. it could be bad writing but i doubt it. batman wasn't made to be peak human."

Oh ok.Am I correct that DS is peak human in most things and may have Superhuman attibutes?

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#24 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Apparition says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Am I missing something? Did Cap some how get superhuman attributes when I wasn't looking? Last time I checked..neither Cap,Batman,or BT are above peak human. I'm also saying I don't think Cap can beat DS at all.Cap doesn't have anything over him.He basically is Cap but he doesn't care if his oppoenent dies."
all anyone else is saying is that cap is above batman and bt in everything. they arent tied with him in anything."
And what i'm saying is he's not.Every source I have ever looked at says Batman is peak human levels in the same areas Cap is and Bats has even more of an edge over him because of his intellect which he uses in battle.Cap maybe above BT physically,i'm not sure but...Cap's difference in physical ability compared to his isn't overwhelming."

the only sources i've ever seen with batman peak human would be in strength and reaction time, but not in everything across the boards like captain america. and that's what those encyclopedia's say. have you ever seen a batman comic where batman fights a normal human who's stronger than he is? i have. lots and lots of them. i've seen other normal humans who are quicker than batman. bronze tiger is one of them. so i wouldnt say that batman is peak human in anything. it could be bad writing but i doubt it. batman wasn't made to be peak human.

#25 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

yes youre definitely right about that. ds has superhuman attributes and should be able to beat captain america.

#26 Posted by Ketch (327 posts) - - Show Bio

Y'know, I can't help but think there's some bias in your posts Poho (or any post when it comes to Cap, I remember the Cap vs Black Panther and Spider-Man threads). I'm not saying this fight is a complete curbstomp or anything, but DS outclasses Cap in every area, both physically and mentally. Anything Cap can do he can not only do it better, but he'd have thought of it first. Other than being a little better than Batman or Bronze Tiger physically, what does Cap have going for him that will give him the win? How will he beat Deathstroke?

On another note, the Batman/peak human thing Vance brought up, that's something I've always wondered about. Why can't Batman be peak human? DC doesn't have something like the super soldier serum that makes someone officially peak human so there's no reason for them to say if Batman is or not. And the SSS isn't the only way to be peak human. There are many (Marvel, since DC doesn't state this level) characters that are stated to be peak human in some or all areas that haven't taken the SSS, most are martial artists and many (who weren't born peak) got that way through extensive training. In the Initiative they talk about MVP being peak human when he's done nothing but have a healthy diet and regularly engage in special exercise. I don't see why it's impossible to believe Batman could be peak, or incredibly close to Marvel's "peak human".

#27 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with the Batman/Peak Human comment. Sorry to go off track here but Gambit is listed as having Near Superhuman Agility. Is that Peakhuman? They don't say Peakhuman but the term Near Superhuman implies it.

Nightwing pulls off moves you see Spiderman do. Does this mean he's Peakhuman in terms of agility? I'd say so. He's trained piratically his entire life as an acrobat. I find it hard to believe anyone surpasses him in that field without being Superhuman.
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#28 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

i'd agree with you buckshot but i've never seen batman show that. there've always been other regular humans stronger, faster, quicker, more agile then him so i just dont see it. but i guess that could just be them trying to give him competition in the comics but its hard to say.

but its not impossible cause youre right there are lots of marvel characters they raised to peak human. marvel just had a run on peak humans for some reason. trying to match people up against cap and wolverine when wolvie had lost his adamantium.

#29 Posted by Ketch (327 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"I agree with the Batman/Peak Human comment. Sorry to go off track here but Gambit is listed as having **Near Superhuman Agility.** Is that Peakhuman? They don't say Peakhuman but the term Near Superhuman applies it.Nightwing pulls off moves you see Spiderman do. Does this mean he's Peakhuman in terms of agility? I'd say so. He's trained piratically his entire life as an acrobat. I find it hard to believe anyone surpasses him in that field without being Superhuman."

I'd say "near superhuman" means peak. He's not superhuman and the next closest thing is peak so that's what he is.

Apparition says:

"i'd agree with you buckshot but i've never seen batman show that. there've always been other regular humans stronger, faster, quicker, more agile then him so i just dont see it. but i guess that could just be them trying to give him competition in the comics but its hard to say."

Regular humans like who? Thugs who are physically stronger because they have more mass (Batman would be peak for his weight, not peak for someone bigger than him)? Ninjas or martial artist that are quicker or more agile? I can see that, but who says they're not also peak human? Maybe if you had examples I could see it better.

#30 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"Gambler says:
"I agree with the Batman/Peak Human comment. Sorry to go off track here but Gambit is listed as having **Near Superhuman Agility.** Is that Peakhuman? They don't say Peakhuman but the term Near Superhuman applies it. Nightwing pulls off moves you see Spiderman do. Does this mean he's Peakhuman in terms of agility? I'd say so. He's trained piratically his entire life as an acrobat. I find it hard to believe anyone surpasses him in that field without being Superhuman."
I'd say "near superhuman" means peak. He's not superhuman and the next closest thing is peak so that's what he is. Apparition says:
"i'd agree with you buckshot but i've never seen batman show that. there've always been other regular humans stronger, faster, quicker, more agile then him so i just dont see it. but i guess that could just be them trying to give him competition in the comics but its hard to say."
Regular humans like who? Thugs who are physically stronger because they have more mass (Batman would be peak for his weight, not peak for someone bigger than him)? Ninjas or martial artist that are quicker or more agile? I can see that, but who says they're not also peak human? Maybe if you had examples I could see it better. "

i wish i did but it would take a long time to find them and i'm tired :)

but the way i think of it is if you really are peak human then youre as strong as any human could be. so you could be 98 lbs but there wouldnt be any other human who was stronger than you. same with everything else. if he was 400 lbs and was peak human in agility then there wouldnt be any other man who was more agile than him.

so i can definitely see batman being peak for his weight but not a true peak human. but i'll try and get some examples maybe tomorrow when i'm not so tired.

#31 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Ketch says:
" I'd say "near superhuman" means peak. He's not superhuman and the next closest thing is peak so that's what he is. "
Yeah thats what I was getting at. Although I hate the term. Its almost as if Peak Human is reserved especially for Cap. If Gambit has Peak Human agility why not say so? Are they not allowed? Is it copyrighted lol"

LOL

#32 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"I'd say "near superhuman" means peak. He's not superhuman and the next closest thing is peak so that's what he is."

Yeah thats what I was getting at. Although I hate the term. Its almost as if Peak Human is reserved especially for Cap. If Gambit has Peak Human agility why not say so? Are they not allowed? Is it copyrighted lol

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#33 Posted by Ketch (327 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"i wish i did but it would take a long time to find them and i'm tired :)but the way i think of it is if you really are peak human then youre as strong as any human could be. so you could be 98 lbs but there wouldnt be any other human who was stronger than you. same with everything else. if he was 400 lbs and was peak human in agility then there wouldnt be any other man who was more agile than him.so i can definitely see batman being peak for his weight but not a true peak human. but i'll try and get some examples maybe tomorrow when i'm not so tired."

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly how peak human works either, just going off things I've read.

Gambler says:

"Ketch says:
"I'd say "near superhuman" means peak. He's not superhuman and the next closest thing is peak so that's what he is."

Yeah thats what I was getting at. Although I hate the term. Its almost as if Peak Human is reserved especially for Cap. If Gambit has Peak Human agility why not say so? Are they not allowed? Is it copyrighted lol"

I hate it too.

#34 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

lol i wish they'd make a decision about it and let us know!

#35 Posted by ulitmateninjagaidenx (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

im going with cap america.

#36 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Spidey-Fan123 says:
"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Crap squared."

Talk when you can prove what I said is wrong.Captain America doesn't have any enhanced strength,durability,or speed and neither does Batman or Bronze Tiger."

Actually he kind of does. Regular people aren't like cap. He has been seen to bench 1,000 pounds. He was also enhanced as well which is why hes so special and others aren't who wear his suit. Either way he pretty much loses.

#37 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"Y'know, I can't help but think there's some bias in your posts Poho (or any post when it comes to Cap, I remember the Cap vs Black Panther and Spider-Man threads). I'm not saying this fight is a complete curbstomp or anything, but DS outclasses Cap in every area, both physically and mentally. Anything Cap can do he can not only do it better, but he'd have thought of it first. Other than being a little better than Batman or Bronze Tiger physically, what does Cap have going for him that will give him the win? How will he beat Deathstroke? On another note, the Batman/peak human thing Vance brought up, that's something I've always wondered about. Why can't Batman be peak human? DC doesn't have something like the super soldier serum that makes someone officially peak human so there's no reason for them to say if Batman is or not. And the SSS isn't the only way to be peak human. There are many (Marvel, since DC doesn't state this level) characters that are stated to be peak human in some or all areas that haven't taken the SSS, most are martial artists and many (who weren't born peak) got that way through extensive training. In the Initiative they talk about MVP being peak human when he's done nothing but have a healthy diet and regularly engage in special exercise. I don't see why it's impossible to believe Batman could be peak, or incredibly close to Marvel's "peak human"."

I always thought Batman was peak human.Does DC have hand books that talk about a characters attributes like Marvel does? I mean DC Database and Wiki say Bats is peak human but even though I am usually reluctant to believe them because of pass encounters with inaccuracies but I think this is one that isn't too far off.Batman's feats seem to be above Daredevil's level and he's below peak human.I don't know how you really tell with DC though.

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#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

zee crusher says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Spidey-Fan123 says:
"Static Shock says:
"Vance Astro says:
"Bronze Tiger and Batman aren't Captain America.Cap isn't faster,stronger or more durable than either."
Vance, what are you talking about!?"
Crap squared."
Talk when you can prove what I said is wrong.Captain America doesn't have any enhanced strength,durability,or speed and neither does Batman or Bronze Tiger."
Actually he kind of does. Regular people aren't like cap. He has been seen to bench 1,000 pounds. He was also enhanced as well which is why hes so special and others aren't who wear his suit. Either way he pretty much loses."

What are you talking about? I can't even read this...

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#39 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke uses 90% of his brain. He outclasses Cap in tactics as well as strategy.

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#40 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"Y'know, I can't help but think there's some bias in your posts Poho (or any post when it comes to Cap, I remember the Cap vs Black Panther and Spider-Man threads). I'm not saying this fight is a complete curbstomp or anything, but DS outclasses Cap in every area, both physically and mentally. Anything Cap can do he can not only do it better, but he'd have thought of it first. Other than being a little better than Batman or Bronze Tiger physically, what does Cap have going for him that will give him the win? How will he beat Deathstroke?On another note, the Batman/peak human thing Vance brought up, that's something I've always wondered about. Why can't Batman be peak human? DC doesn't have something like the super soldier serum that makes someone officially peak human so there's no reason for them to say if Batman is or not. And the SSS isn't the only way to be peak human. There are many (Marvel, since DC doesn't state this level) characters that are stated to be peak human in some or all areas that haven't taken the SSS, most are martial artists and many (who weren't born peak) got that way through extensive training. In the Initiative they talk about MVP being peak human when he's done nothing but have a healthy diet and regularly engage in special exercise. I don't see why it's impossible to believe Batman could be peak, or incredibly close to Marvel's "peak human"."

No bias here. If you read my post I said I'm basing my opinions on characters that Deathstroke has faced alone and how well they did against him. Batman and Bronze Tiger.

Captain America is DEFINITELY stronger, faster, and more durable than either man. Makes no sense to argue otherwise. Deathstorke is superhuman and does surpass Cap in all areas. EXCEPT knowledge and skill in hand to hand combat and strategy. Deathstroke is not close to him in those areas which is why he had a tough time with those highly skilled normal humans I mentioned. As for Batman being "peak human", it still puts him clearly below Captain America and even the Black Panther. Marvel has made it clear in the Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe that characters who train themselves to be "peak human" are incapable of achieving the strength of Captain America or Panther. Even the Kingpin who is a much larger "peak human" can't equal the strength of Black Panther and Cap.

#41 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Deathstroke uses 90% of his brain. He outclasses Cap in tactics as well as strategy."

He does use 90% of his brain capacity (whatever that means) but does that mean he can build a time machine like Dr. Doom? Or fire telekinetic bolts like Moondragon? They aren't reputed to use 90% of their brain capacity. I don't believe this brain thing makes his a better tactician than Cap. Even if it did, it wouldn't change what I saw happen in his fights with Bronze Tiger and Batman. I think both men on any given day could beat the other.

#42 Posted by Cavalry (237 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't Captain America have peak human intellect also? Or am I confused with something else?

Captain America never tires, and he has his shield, which are both plus points in his favor.. the shield might just be the deciding edge, in my opinion this makes Cap better armed. Both Cap and DS are amongst the greatest tacticians on the planet..

Honestly, I think this is probably one of the most even match ups.. I would give it to Cap based on pure battle experience and his shield though.

#43 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Cavalry says:

"Doesn't Captain America have peak human intellect also? Or am I confused with something else?Captain America never tires, and he has his shield, which are both plus points in his favor.. the shield might just be the deciding edge, in my opinion this makes Cap better armed. Both Cap and DS are amongst the greatest tacticians on the planet..Honestly, I think this is probably one of the most even match ups.. I would give it to Cap based on pure battle experience and his shield though."

That's a good point because it is rarely explored by writers. I did read that Caps brain has also been enhanced to the pinnacle of human perfection.

#44 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Gambler says:
"Deathstroke uses 90% of his brain. He outclasses Cap in tactics as well as strategy."

He does use 90% of his brain capacity (whatever that means) but does that mean he can build a time machine like Dr. Doom? Or fire telekinetic bolts like Moondragon? They aren't reputed to use 90% of their brain capacity. I don't believe this brain thing makes his a better tactician than Cap. Even if it did, it wouldn't change what I saw happen in his fights with Bronze Tiger and Batman. I think both men on any given day could beat the other."

What it means (as shown in comics) he's methodical in his preparation. He's run over countless scenarios on ways to defeat/escape just about every superhero on the planet. Further more they usually work. Having a plan and being able to execute it without a flaw. This also applies on the fly. He gives him the ability to size up his opponent and the environment in an instant. Being able to fire Telekinetic Blasts has nothing to do with intelligence. Reed Richards and Hank Pym are some of the smartest characters in the Marvel U and have never been able to fire Telekinetic Blasts. Basing who would win off from who Deathstroke has lost to is ridiculous. Cap's lost fights to the Red Skull. A character with limited fighting skills. And what fight with Batman are you talking about? You do know Deathstroke damn near killed Batman (without his powers)right?

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#45 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

Cavalry says:

"Doesn't Captain America have peak human intellect also? Or am I confused with something else?Captain America never tires, and he has his shield, which are both plus points in his favor.. the shield might just be the deciding edge, in my opinion this makes Cap better armed. Both Cap and DS are amongst the greatest tacticians on the planet..Honestly, I think this is probably one of the most even match ups.. I would give it to Cap based on pure battle experience and his shield though."

Deathstroke has never been shown to tire as well. And what is Peak Human intelligence compared to someone who uses 90% of their brain? Cap may never tire but Deathstroke has a slight healing factor, something Cap doesn't have.

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#46 Posted by Vincent Price (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm...indeed. A true battle among two great strategic minds. But Deathstroke's skills are a bit superior to the former of Captain America. Deathstroke has the mental strategical advantage over Captain America - I believe its DS who can draw up to 90 percent of brain power. Deathstroke also trumps Cap in the physical area as well I believe. According to Wikipedia, DS has the strength of Ten Men where as Cap peak human strength of around 900 pounds or so. Both are physically above average but I believe the favor of this battle goes to Deathstroke.

#47 Posted by ulitmateninjagaidenx (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

Cavalry says:

"Doesn't Captain America have peak human intellect also? Or am I confused with something else? Captain America never tires, and he has his shield, which are both plus points in his favor.. the shield might just be the deciding edge, in my opinion this makes Cap better armed. Both Cap and DS are amongst the greatest tacticians on the planet.. Honestly, I think this is probably one of the most even match ups.. I would give it to Cap based on pure battle experience and his shield though."

i agree.

#48 Posted by The_MVPs (84693 posts) - - Show Bio

I just responded to your PM Ketch.

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#49 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Cavalry says:
"Doesn't Captain America have peak human intellect also? Or am I confused with something else? Captain America never tires, and he has his shield, which are both plus points in his favor.. the shield might just be the deciding edge, in my opinion this makes Cap better armed. Both Cap and DS are amongst the greatest tacticians on the planet.. Honestly, I think this is probably one of the most even match ups.. I would give it to Cap based on pure battle experience and his shield though."
That's a good point because it is rarely explored by writers. I did read that Caps brain has also been enhanced to the pinnacle of human perfection."

Cap only uses his intellegence in tactics.I think his intellect is above average but he's not a genius.I wouldn't but him in the same category intellectually as even Daredevil or She-Hulk.

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#50 Posted by Clantern (666 posts) - - Show Bio

Ohhh So this battle has been done before? I never seen it in the re-cap thread, sorry about that.


So the winner is DS then?