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#1 Edited by Doomnaut (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke's Team

Black Panther's Team

Scenario

Win by death or knockout

No prep

Morals off

Deathstroke (Pre-New 52 +New 52), Pre-New 52 Batman, New 52 Bane, Pre-New 52 Red Hood, New 52 Ravager (Grant Wilson)

616 Black Panther, Captain America, Daredevil, Punisher, and Deadpool

Fight takes place in Gotham City

Who wins?

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

If Bane isn't on Venom, I'm leaning towards Black Panther's team here.

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#3 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9106 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins both rounds, more lethal group.

#4 Posted by Doomnaut (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

Removed scenario 2.

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

If this battle goes like I think it can go, the results will look like this.

Black Panther beats Pre 52 Deathstroke

Daredevil beats Bane due to his superior fighting skill, and superhuman agility.

Captain America edges out a hard win over Batman in my opinion though this matchup is really a tossup.

Punisher vs Red Hood is a tossup.

Deadpool can beat Ravager.

Overall, I think Team Black Panther limps away with a hard victory.

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#6 Posted by dondave (36664 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Deathstroke

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#7 Edited by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

Though I can see an argument made for Team Slade.

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#8 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@doomnaut: What gear does black panther have here?

#9 Posted by darkbeam (2251 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: this is pre 52 and new 52 Deathstroke in the same body so he has nth metal and he's pre 52 fighting skills.

#10 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam said:

@wolverine08: this is pre 52 and new 52 Deathstroke in the same body so he has nth metal and he's pre 52 fighting skills.

Black Panther could still take him.

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#11 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

Slades team wins. but what holds me back from voting for slades team is that i havnt seen bane at all in new 52 other than in forever evil arkum war

#12 Posted by darkbeam (2251 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam said:

@wolverine08:

how would he get through DS nth metal?

The armor can pierced by people who are fast and skilled enough, and Black Panther's vibranium daggers and anti metal claws should blow through the Nth metal.

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#14 Posted by Fetts (4449 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I could make a solid case for Deathstroke solo'ing most, if not all of BP's team. Team Slade takes this.

#15 Edited by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts said:

Honestly, I could make a solid case for Deathstroke solo'ing most, if not all of BP's team. Team Slade takes this.

No you couldn't.

#16 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@fetts said:

Honestly, I could make a solid case for Deathstroke solo'ing most, if not all of BP's team. Team Slade takes this.

No you couldn't.

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#17 Posted by darkbeam (2251 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: this is also pre 52 DS and he's pretty fast himself I don't think that would tag him considering how good he's reflexes are.

#18 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam said:

@wolverine08: this is also pre 52 DS and he's pretty fast himself I don't think that would tag him considering how good he's reflexes are.

Black Panther's reflexes and speed are just as good as, if not better than Pre 52 Deathstroke's.

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#19 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke is essentially Captain America but with:

No problem killing

Better training. Slade has special ops trainnig. Cap has regular military training if i remember correctly.

Better armor

Better ability to heal

More weaopons

#20 Posted by darkbeam (2251 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: um I guess that's up to opinion but what about Bane vs DD i'm not sure on this one because Bane is more powerfull while Matts more skilled.

#21 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam: Matt has more skill and superhuman agility over Bane. That should be enough for him to take a win, even though Bane will make him work HARD for it.

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#22 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

If Bane isn't on Venom, I'm leaning towards Black Panther's team here.

I believe standard gear for bane is venom to be honest.

#23 Posted by Ironshinobi88 (1178 posts) - - Show Bio

Tean 1. I sre BP being outnumbered eventually.

#24 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Edited by darkbeam (2251 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would beat Captain America:

He has more training and has beaten stronger and faster opponents than Cap. The biggest factor is his variety of gadgets.

Bane would beat Dare Devil:

Strength vs speed. Deciding factor is Bane has league of shadows training and isnt just a brick.

Punisher would beat Red Hood:

Punisher has better training with fire arms and has explosives. RH is the better trained martial artists. Deciding factor is Frank wouldnt let RH get close and has WAY too many weaopns/explosives.

Deadpool would beat Ravager:

Ravager is better trained. Deadpool has regen. Deciding factor is that ravager would do a ton of damage but Deadpool would just regenerate.

#28 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Black panther beats deathstroke
  • batman and captain america stalemate, or a win for batman if he uses his gadgets
  • Bane beats daredevil due to his suepioer stats on venom.
  • Punisher beats Jason Todd due to better accuracy.
  • Deadpool should beat Grant quite easily as Grants only feat in the new 52 is fighting an exhausted deathstroke......

It just comes down to if Bane can beat daredevil first, or if deadpool can beat Grant first. Could go either way IMO.

#29 Posted by DarkRaiden (7002 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 stomps.

Panther stomps most of the other team with energy daggers alone.

Bane is useless and a weak link. Daredevil, Deadpool, Black Panther, Cap, even Punisher would mangle him.

Red Hood is essentially just as useless.

Ravager, again, would lose to almost everyone on team Black Panther sans Punisher.

Bats can't beat Panther, Cap, or Deadpool

Deathstroke can beat Cap, barely beat Deadpool, but can't beat Panther.

So immediately Bane, Red Hood, Ravager are stomped.

Then Bats is overwhelmed.

Then a losing Deathstroke is 5 on 1'd and destroyed.

Deadpool morals off, bloodlusted is the 3rd most dangerous person here, besides Panther and Deathstroke. Cap is close behind him, then Daredevil. The Marvel team is too much better.

#30 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: lol definitely not a stomp that's for sure if they win at all.

#31 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Edited by DarkRaiden (7002 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: lol definitely not a stomp that's for sure if they win at all.

It definitely is. Deadpool can almost solo besides Deathstroke. The problem is, morals off and bloodlust help out Panther, Deadpool, Cap, and Daredevil WAAAAYY more than it helps out anyone but Batman. And again, no answer to energy daggers that sever nerves.

#33 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would beat Captain America:

He has more training and has beaten stronger and faster opponents than Cap. The biggest factor is his variety of gadgets.

Bane would beat Dare Devil:

Strength vs speed. Deciding factor is Bane has league of shadows training and isnt just a brick.

Punisher would beat Red Hood:

Punisher has better training with fire arms and has explosives. RH is the better trained martial artists. Deciding factor is Frank wouldnt let RH get close and has WAY too many weaopns/explosives.

Deadpool would beat Ravager:

Ravager is better trained. Deadpool has regen. Deciding factor is that ravager would do a ton of damage but Deadpool would just regenerate.

Just in reply to bane vs daredevil, league of shadow training shouldn't be a bigger deal considering daredevil does have his training from stick. I would say venom is the main reason bane wins.

Team 2 stomps.

Panther stomps most of the other team with energy daggers alone.

Bane is useless and a weak link. Daredevil, Deadpool, Black Panther, Cap, even Punisher would mangle him.

Red Hood is essentially just as useless.

Ravager, again, would lose to almost everyone on team Black Panther sans Punisher.

Bats can't beat Panther, Cap, or Deadpool

Deathstroke can beat Cap, barely beat Deadpool, but can't beat Panther.

So immediately Bane, Red Hood, Ravager are stomped.

Then Bats is overwhelmed.

Then a losing Deathstroke is 5 on 1'd and destroyed.

Deadpool morals off, bloodlusted is the 3rd most dangerous person here, besides Panther and Deathstroke. Cap is close behind him, then Daredevil. The Marvel team is too much better.

Not sure how Bane is useless considering his most recent fight he stomped batman....

#34 Edited by DarkRaiden (7002 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@foreverevil said:

Batman would beat Captain America:

He has more training and has beaten stronger and faster opponents than Cap. The biggest factor is his variety of gadgets.

Bane would beat Dare Devil:

Strength vs speed. Deciding factor is Bane has league of shadows training and isnt just a brick.

Punisher would beat Red Hood:

Punisher has better training with fire arms and has explosives. RH is the better trained martial artists. Deciding factor is Frank wouldnt let RH get close and has WAY too many weaopns/explosives.

Deadpool would beat Ravager:

Ravager is better trained. Deadpool has regen. Deciding factor is that ravager would do a ton of damage but Deadpool would just regenerate.

Just in reply to bane vs daredevil, league of shadow training shouldn't be a bigger deal considering daredevil does have his training from stick. I would say venom is the main reason bane wins.

@darkraiden said:

Team 2 stomps.

Panther stomps most of the other team with energy daggers alone.

Bane is useless and a weak link. Daredevil, Deadpool, Black Panther, Cap, even Punisher would mangle him.

Red Hood is essentially just as useless.

Ravager, again, would lose to almost everyone on team Black Panther sans Punisher.

Bats can't beat Panther, Cap, or Deadpool

Deathstroke can beat Cap, barely beat Deadpool, but can't beat Panther.

So immediately Bane, Red Hood, Ravager are stomped.

Then Bats is overwhelmed.

Then a losing Deathstroke is 5 on 1'd and destroyed.

Deadpool morals off, bloodlusted is the 3rd most dangerous person here, besides Panther and Deathstroke. Cap is close behind him, then Daredevil. The Marvel team is too much better.

Not sure how Bane is useless considering his most recent fight he stomped batman....

He's useless because I can't see him beating anyone on the marvel team or even lasting more than 20 seconds.

#35 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool can solo Batman, Bane, Red Hood and Ravager?? Oh cmon. How is this NOT looking to piss people off on purpose?

#36 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: You can't see the guy who stomped batman lasting more then 20 seconds against anyone on the marvel team? Seriously?

#37 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is current BP he could solo half of DS' team. Team Panther ftw.

#38 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

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#39 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool can solo Batman, Bane, Red Hood and Ravager?? Oh cmon. How is this NOT looking to piss people off on purpose?

Its not really trolling....Its more of an opinion....A ridiculous one but an opinion.

#40 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9106 posts) - - Show Bio

This looks as if the Bio is saying Pre52 and new 52 Deathstroke feats. In which case people are grossly underestimating.

#41 Edited by Fetts (4449 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: @jashro44: Very well. As you wish ;)

This is a de-powered Pre-52 Deathstroke . As you can see, even without his enhancements he's still a bullet-timer. I'd estimate he's a bullet-timer on Punisher's level without his enhancements, since he was not only de-powered but injured in this instance. But with his enhancements?

As the last caption box says, Deathstroke's reflexes are increased to a factor of ten. Meaning Slade is ten times faster than the average bullet-timer. I don't believe anybody on Panther's team is that fast.

This is consistent with the fact that Deathstroke can on entire teams of skilled and super-powered individuals like The Teen Titans, The Justice League, and The Outsiders. Admittedly though, some of those fights have fragments of PIS/CIS in them. Namely when Slade gets the best of Flash. But other than, it's pretty PIS/CIS clean for the most part.

This is the most PIS/CIS clean battle imo. I believe the only thing unrealistic here is how Flash was hit by Cyborg's sonic cannon.

I could post more fights like these, but I'm kinda lazy right now.

The point is, Slade has regularly taken on and often defeated some of earth's most formidable superhero teams (due to his hypersonic reflexes, extreme tactical thinking, etc.). I don't think that's something that could be said for anybody on Panther's team. Thus, Slade really is on another level.

Keep in mind that I'm just talking about Pre-52 Deathstroke here. New-52 Deathstroke is even more dangerous. New-52 Deathstroke is pretty much Pre-52 Deathstroke but with Nth Metal armor. His Nth Metal armor enhances his natural abilities even further. This would include speed.

So Slade's hypersonic reflexes are now even faster.

Deathstroke's Nth Metal armor is also extremely durable. It's completely tanked minigun fire, and has withstood massive explosions.

I sincerely believe just about everybody on Panther's team is extremely outclassed. The Punisher doesn't stand any chance. Daredevil is a great acrobat and fast in his own right, but I'm quite certain Deathstroke is just on a completely different level of speed. Black Panther has a bit of a better chance. If he kept his distance and spammed some energy cards he might be a bit of nuisance.

Deathstroke's biggest problem is Captain America imo. Captain America is arguably the most speedy character in the group. He has a superb tactical mindset himself, and Deathstroke would have trouble getting around that shield.

Other than Captain America, I think the rest of the team doesn't stand too much of a chance. Deathstroke has had worse odds in fighting skilled and super-powered individuals like them.

#42 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: he just pulled up the definition of trolling. He's right.

#43 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@foreverevil said:

Deadpool can solo Batman, Bane, Red Hood and Ravager?? Oh cmon. How is this NOT looking to piss people off on purpose?

Its not really trolling....Its more of an opinion....A ridiculous one but an opinion.

i dont believe that. hes like that for every marvel character even though he's proven wrong, but im not getting banned over his bull crap. rules state to report it to a mod but not to engage. so im done here.

#44 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Edited by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts:

Your post makes me think you lack knowledge on Black Panther. He's just as fast as Deathstroke. He's just as good a tactician, he has better equipment (vibranium suit, anti metal claws that can cut through any metal, vibranium daggers, etc.), and is just a skilled fighter as Deathstroke.

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#46 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: if your calling him out then shouldn't you point out darkraiden's obvious mistake.

#47 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9106 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts:

Your post makes me think you lack knowledge on Black Panther. He's just as fast as Deathstroke. He's just as good a tactician, he has better equipment (vibranium suit, anti metal claws that can cut through any metal, vibranium daggers, etc.), and is just a skilled fighter as Deathstroke.

Remember that the bio says New 52 Deathstroke with pre-52 feats as well. Idk if the bio says it is not current panther. I haven't seen current panther with anti metal daggers.

#48 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@doomnaut:

What equipment does Black Panther get in this battle? Anti metal claws, vibranium daggers, teleporters, force fields, and vibranium suit?

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#49 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts: nice argument yet again.

#50 Posted by Wolverine08 (41312 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts: nice argument yet again.

That argument should a grotesque amount of knowledge on Black Panther. Not so nice.

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