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#1 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke (Pre-New 52): Standard gear + 1 clip of Carbonadium bullets & Bronze Tiger (Pre-New 52): Nth Metal chain mail under his costume + retractable Promethium claws

VS

X-23 & Sabertooth (Adamanium skeleton/claws)

Location: Roulette's Metahuman Fight Club

Win conditions: KO, Incapacitation, or Death (everyone going all out, JUST short of bloodlust)

#2 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#3 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Team DC ftw.

Bronze Tiger finishes X-23 quickly and then helps Slade take down Victor.

#4 Posted by Nefarious (19844 posts) - - Show Bio

Bronze Tiger goes down first. He is only human. Now, it is two against one. Slade might lose.

#5 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@nefarious: Bronze Tiger goes down first. He is only human. Now, it is two against one. Slade might lose.

Don't forget mon ami, in this match-up Bronze Tiger has Nth Metal chainmail beneath his costume (similar to how Captain America has chainmail beneath his costume), and retractable Promethium claws. With this gear, he'd be every bit Sabertooth's equal if not superior, in terms of brute strength, have a healing factor, and (if he wants to) fly/move at super-speed. On top of his skill level. This could be closer than you realize......

#6 Posted by Nefarious (19844 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure Team 2 stomps this. Bronze Tiger may have Nth Metal chainmail, but that just means Team 1 needs a solid swipe or stab to the face, and its all over for Ben.

#8 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch: Don't forget Bronze Tiger has survived many different incarnations of the very appropriately named Suicide Squad (sometimes being the only non Meta on those teams) while his superpowered teammates were dropping to the left and the right of him. He's easily one of the top 5 h2h combatants in the DCU. The guy knows how to duck, dodge, and has beaten Metas before. I gave him the Nth Metal to equalize the brute strength and potential speed difference between him and Sabretooth, as well as providing him with the one thing everyone else here has: A healing factor. The Promethium Claws equalizes the fact that now everybody has indestructable razor sharp weapons. This should be very interesting....

#9 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#10 Edited by Joygirl (19575 posts) - - Show Bio

Was leaning towards team Marvel until I saw Tiger's gear. With that stuff he is much more of a contender here and is no longer a "weak link", making this a solid win for Team DC.

#11 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#12 Posted by God_Spawn (37757 posts) - - Show Bio

Carbonadium clips are overkill.

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#13 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn:

Okay. Since it's you god_spawn, i'm changing the 30 round magazine to 6 Carbonadium bullets in a .357 Magnum and 6 more in a lead-lined pouch on Deathstroke's hip. More fair?

#14 Posted by God_Spawn (37757 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: I still think carbonadium bullets are too much, but that is much more and I'd actually eliminate the extra bullets. I'd say at least give the 2nd team a heads up that Slade is packing carbonadium bullet as well so they know to at least attempt to dodge. Those bullets are toxic and pretty much kill healing factors until they are removed.

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#15 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn:

Okay. Deathstroke only gets 6 Carbonadium bullets, and Team 2 gets intel from Roulette before the match that one or perhaps both of their opponents might have Carbonadium weapons. That way they (Team 2) can at least be on their guard and be vigilant during the fight against such an attack. Hell, they might even watch each others backs a little closer with that info. What do you think?

#16 Posted by God_Spawn (37757 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: Better. I know Slade usually carries more than 1 gun on him so he might not even directly use it to begin with as well, but even the slight hint will enough to at least put them on guard.

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#17 Posted by Erick_Williams (758 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

#18 Edited by Kratesis (4266 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke is the deciding factor here, team one wins.

#19 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Better. I know Slade usually carries more than 1 gun on him so he might not even directly use it to begin with as well, but even the slight hint will enough to at least put them on guard.

Excellent. Your approval is a very good thing around here. So with the adjusted parameters, who do you think wins this match up?

#20 Edited by God_Spawn (37757 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

marvel team wins handily, sabertooth is just a monster and x-23 will be to hard to hit

#22 Edited by 18hunt (2903 posts) - - Show Bio

Team dc

#23 Posted by God_Spawn (37757 posts) - - Show Bio

marvel team wins handily, sabertooth is just a monster and x-23 will be to hard to hit

They barely win a slim majority if that. Neither are anything Slade can't tag or deal with.

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#24 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathsamurai: x-23 will be to hard to hit

Deathstroke and/or Bronze Tiger are'nt exactly known for slothfulness in a combat situation...

#25 Posted by robertloucksjr (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

What kind of healing factor does Promethium armor give you? Unless it is really good, either of the Marvel team drops him by attrition of broken bones. Also the Marvel guys won't get tired while the DC guys will.

#26 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr: What kind of healing factor does Promethium armor give you? Unless it is really good, either of the Marvel team drops him by attrition of broken bones. Also the Marvel guys won't get tired while the DC guys will.

Nth Metal Armor would give its wearer supreme durability to blunt force trauma (Hawkman has survived repeated blows from Black Adam and remained concious) and temperature extremes, super senses, superhuman speed, it neutralizes fatique toxins in the body, and greatly accelerates tissue regeneration (not to mention the optional ability to fly). Hawkman has an Nth Metal mace, Wing Harness, belt buckle, and other weapons. Without the overt armor Bronze Tiger will be wearing in this fight, Hawkman has laughed off machine gun fire, been stabbed repeatedly, and barely noticed that he had third degree burns over 60% of his body until his friend Ray Palmer (the Atom) brought it to his attention. And if the conditions are right (read: once every 10,000 generations) you'll get what he and his Queen got: a blood connection to Nth Metal that gives them the ability to actually resurrect from the dead if something ACTUALLY did manage to kill him. Here, all of Bronze Tiger's stats would be roughly identical to Sabretooth's paired with his baseline skill level. Promethium is'nt as exotic, but it is nigh-indestructable. He'll have that as his claws in this fight.

#28 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#29 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12063 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I'd put Slade and Ben above Laura with the gear they have but still below Victor who has them in brute strength and possibly durability. Slade is arguably the fastest and most agile while Ben is definitely more skilled than everyone, whereas Laura is slightly below Slade in speed and agility while Vic is MVP .... that's just stats...

Those Carbonadium bullets counteracting team two's healing factors will be a much needed advantage but I don't know if it will be enough to kill or incapacitate them....well, maybe it will.....I'll continue after I look up a respect thread or two....

#30 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days:

Much appreciated, mon ami. That's an objective assessment I can live with. Question: Just how much Carbonadium is needed to actually cut off someone's healing factor altogether? I've always wondered that.

#31 Posted by nickthedevil (12151 posts) - - Show Bio

Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke should take this fairly easily.

#32 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12063 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days:

Much appreciated, mon ami. That's an objective assessment I can live with. Question: Just how much Carbonadium is needed to actually cut off someone's healing factor altogether? I've always wondered that.

idk, Omega Red has used it on wolverine and it only slowed his HF down ... I'm not sure if it being inside the body slows it down more than two giant coils around the body

#33 Edited by RenaissanceMan (1079 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I'd put Slade and Ben above Laura with the gear they have but still below Victor who has them in brute strength and possibly durability. Slade is arguably the fastest and most agile while Ben is definitely more skilled than everyone, whereas Laura is slightly below Slade in speed and agility while Vic is MVP .... that's just stats...

Those Carbonadium bullets counteracting team two's healing factors will be a much needed advantage but I don't know if it will be enough to kill or incapacitate them....well, maybe it will.....I'll continue after I look up a respect thread or two....

I'd argue class 9 for Deathstroke with Nth metal armor. How strong is Creed?

#34 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days: I'm not sure if it being inside the body slows it down more than two giant coils around the body

Gotcha. I'd imagine that close proximity to it is bad, but imbeded under the skin would have to be even worse IMO. Does anyone in Marvel use Carbonadium bullets or knives/swords? That might be a good barometer on how effective it is (for this purpose, anyway).

@renaissanceman: I'd argue class 9 for Deathstroke with Nth metal armor. How strong is Creed?

He's at least a 2-5 tonner due to the fact that Creed has picked up and thrown cars with moderate difficulty.

#35 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1079 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days: I'm not sure if it being inside the body slows it down more than two giant coils around the body

Gotcha. I'd imagine that close proximity to it is bad, but imbeded under the skin would have to be even worse IMO. Does anyone in Marvel use Carbonadium bullets or knives/swords? That might be a good barometer on how effective it is (for this purpose, anyway).

@renaissanceman: I'd argue class 9 for Deathstroke with Nth metal armor. How strong is Creed?

He's at least a 2-5 tonner due to the fact that Creed has picked up and thrown cars with moderate difficulty.

ok. thanks. I'd say they are about even strength wise then. New 52 Slade breaks chains with little effort

#36 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (12063 posts) - - Show Bio

@renaissanceman: Breaking chains is a batman level feat, he's only around a ton a the most.....

#37 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1079 posts) - - Show Bio

@renaissanceman: Breaking chains is a batman level feat, he's only around a ton a the most.....

He was above a ton before the nth metal. You're way off.

#38 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@renaissanceman:

@ancient_0f_days said:

@renaissanceman: Breaking chains is a batman level feat, he's only around a ton a the most.....

He was above a ton before the nth metal. You're way off.

Just a friendly reminder mon ami, that the Deathstroke in this particular battle is his Pre-Flashpoint incarnation. He won't have his Nth Metal alloy armor for this one, just his standard Volatile Promethium body armor.

#39 Posted by Pokeysteve (8264 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. Slade's going to have his hands full with Creed. Ben's gear gives him a leg up on 23 I'd think but is it enough to knock her out. Even though she'll wake right up it still counts.

Vic is the one to beat here. I'm leaning towards DC. I think Ben can KO 23 and help Slade. If Victor fights Ben I think he'll win but I'm not sure on the degree of ampage (I make up words. Wanna fight about it.) the Nth metal will give Ben though. I don't care for the Hawk family.

#40 Posted by Spydey (401 posts) - - Show Bio

BT and Slade.

#41 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: ampage

I love it! I can't wait for an opportunity to use this word! Bronze Tiger should be at or around a 10-15 tonner with his armor. He could also fly with it (should he actually choose to do so).

#42 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. Slade's going to have his hands full with Creed. Ben's gear gives him a leg up on 23 I'd think but is it enough to knock her out. Even though she'll wake right up it still counts.

Vic is the one to beat here. I'm leaning towards DC. I think Ben can KO 23 and help Slade. If Victor fights Ben I think he'll win but I'm not sure on the degree of ampage (I make up words. Wanna fight about it.) the Nth metal will give Ben though. I don't care for the Hawk family.

Personally I don't think Slade needs help to beat sabretooth. Sabretooth hasn't been very impressive recently and Slade is more skilled. Not to mention he has Carbonadium bullets.

#43 Posted by Pokeysteve (8264 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: ampage

I love it! I can't wait for an opportunity to use this word! Bronze Tiger should be at or around a 10-15 tonner with his armor. He could also fly with it (should he actually choose to do so).

Hmm. That really sways things in DC's favor.

@jashro44 said:

Personally I don't think Slade needs help to beat sabretooth. Sabretooth hasn't been very impressive recently and Slade is more skilled. Not to mention he has Carbonadium bullets.

Bullets seem like a cheap win here and I don't like that. Tried to think of another way. Isn't Slade outclassed in strength, speed and healing here? Do you think his skill can make up for that?

#44 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: Strength and healing yes. Speed I don't think Sabretooth has done anything to say he is really faster. If he is faster I don't think its significant. And sabretooths adamantium will make him really hard to drop (Admittedly I missed that he had that here originally). I guess Slade could bleed sabretooth out though, without the bullets all though it would be a lot harder. I also question how many hits creed can take from his blast staff.

Based off of recent showings for sabretooth I do think Slades skill will give him a huge edge. Recently wolverine has been stomping creed a lot using his skill (I think based off the record since creeds return from the dead its 4-0 in wolverines favor, and all of them have been pretty one sided to). If Creed is fighting the way he has been recently Slade is going to do a lot of damage to him. And all though the healing factor makes him really hard to drop it does have its limits. If we do take the carboanidium bullets away it is closer. Could go either way with adamantium Creed, all though regular bone claw would lose (that is without the carboandium bullets IMO).

#45 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I also question how many hits creed can take from his blast staff.

That is a good question. He (Deathstroke) has been blowing helicopters out of the sky like it was nothing with that thing. Being made of Promethium, it also doubles as a melee/ranged weapon. Hmm....

#46 Posted by dondave (36681 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2

#47 Posted by Pokeysteve (8264 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Looks like a good breakdown to me. My Victor knowledge is limited to Wolvie's 3rd (I think) series.

#48 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: My Victor knowledge is limited to Wolvie's 3rd (I think) series.

I'll allow Sabretooth's very best feats here if that makes your arguements for (or against) him any easier.

#49 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6268 posts) - - Show Bio

Carbonadium bullets FTW.

Without them, I'd go for the ferals in the absence of WIS. Not too much Slade can do to put Creed down with the adamantium skeleton. It would be a battle of attrition I'm not sure Slade would win despite superior skill in a random.

Same goes for Bronze Tiger versus X-23. Laura's got both the skillz & the speed to hang with her pappy (clone ... whatever), and with the addy + healing factor advantage, well, Tiger's superior skill will only take him so far IMHO.

And yeah, adamantium claws would rip through the Nth metal armor.

#50 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii:And yeah, adamantium claws would rip through the Nth metal armor.

It might take several dedicated slashes to the same spot repeatedly, but I could see that as a possibility. I do however doubt that Ben would just stand there and let her do that though...