Death of the Endless vs. Lucifer Morningstar

" @Morpheus_: Stature means everything to these people, "

 Especially when you are second when no one is third.

Lucifer was kicked out of Heaven

 and the  Presence only aloud Lucifer to rule over Hell with the first, second and third of the fallen. 

" @Morpheus_: First/Second/Third of the Fallen is Hellblazer stuff, Ennis and Gaiman's continuity there is rough, Ennis later tried to adapt his continuity to Gaiman's but to some people it's probably still confusing "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @aztek the lost said:

" @Morpheus_: First/Second/Third of the Fallen is Hellblazer stuff, Ennis and Gaiman's continuity there is rough, Ennis later tried to adapt his continuity to Gaiman's but to some people it's probably still confusing "

Check the edit, I know it myself, but it has nothing to do with Lucifer's agreement with his father. "

Check my edit, I remembered you already knew that :P  I don't even know what you were arguing about anymore, I just read that line... "

" ah okay, interesting thoughts  I think Lucifer #50 contradicts all the other versions of the story though, doesn't it? Because there Lucifer leaves, and in every other version he "falls" and a battle takes place.  "

 As for him being called the second most powerful being in existence, I like to think statuses and so forth can be updated as a story progresses and since Michael wasn't introduced into the universe until Lucifer #11, he wasn't taken into the equation at that point.

" I honestly much more prefer the story Lilith told over the whole battle thing, it seemed more true to Lucifer's character...although it messes with all the continuity "

 anyways, I agree with you that the two are equals yet opposites but I thought the argument was that you were trying to say Lucifer wasn't second because Michael is his counterpart  

"then I'll follow her story and infer the details I like best :P nah, either version works for me, like I said I usually don't fret about those things but what's protocol for these arguments, do you guys just take any event as canon even if later events cancel them out? "

  ah, I don't think it has either, or at least if it was, I wasn't bothered to notice...what I want to know is why do we never see threads about Garamas and Gyges if people are all about The Presence and what-not  

Lucifer

Like she said, she's going to be the one to close the door.

the endless are conceptual beings meaning they only exist because certain concepts exist. death only exists because the multiverse would get pretty cramped if no one ever died. Therefore if she went on vacation no one would die and chaos would ensue. the same thing with dream or any of the other endless.

Lucifer, and Michael are not conceptual beings. they are beings that are outside the bounds of reality. there father The Presence is the literal god of the multiverse in DC, the Presence didn't create the multiverse Michael and Lucifer did.Michael has Relative Omnipotence,Michael is the second most powerful being in DC equaled only by his twin brother Lucifer and surpassed only by their father, the god of the covenant,

Lucifer has Nigh Omnipotence, which grants him the ability to manipulate any external force for any effect he desires, he cannot however create something out of nothing, for this he needs the demiurgic force of Michael and later Elaine, how it works is Michael creates the matter required for the multiverse to be created. Lucifer on the other hand wills it into existence and shapes it. Michael can't bring it into existence and Lucifer can not create it he can only provide the will power for it to come into existence. what this means is that the ENDLESS exist in a reality that was brought into existence by Michael and Lucifer. so there is absolutely no way the endless are as powerful as Lucifer. as such if he wanted to he could just snap them out of existence

Stalemate or Lucifer.

Lucifer stomps

Lucifer got this.

Lucifer But its not a stomp like I usually thought.

I haven't thought about this series in a long time. It was really good from what i remember, and Lucifer wins

Lucifer wins

Lucifer easy. Why do people think the Endless can contend with him?

Lucy, yeah. Though supposedly, Death will eventually claim him.

Death was the most overrated character in the Endless. Lucifer takes this comfortably.

Stalemate, or Death eventually wins

Lucifer is above her just as he is above everyone in DC (except for his brother and the Presence).

Most retarded thing, I've ever had the experience to read.

Lucifer takes this.

Lucy

Lucifer threatens death, and she confirms he could kill her.

Lucifer

lucifer universal get destroyed by universal concept

Lucifer has punked Dream and threatened Death? Jeez, yeah he stomps.