Death of Marvel vs Death of the Endless

fight outside of both DC and Marvel multiverses. win by death, KO, incapacitation or imprisonment.

bloodlusted.

Given her interactions with Lucifer, I imagine Death of the Endless is of a higher cosmological order than Marvel's Death. There are lots of beings in Marvel who can't die, and even a mutant who has evolved beyond death, whereas Death of the Endless seems to have no such restrictions, though she is obviously less active in cosmological politics so eh.

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless. Her duty is the put an end to the universe itself at the end, something of a higher importance than anything Marvel's Death has done.

@IcePrince_X said:

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless cannot die, just as Dream of the Endless cannot die; just their individual being, but the concept never dies until Death chooses, which she will at the end of time; the last member of the Endless to die will be Destiny, once the universe is over.

Death of the Endless.

@JediXMan said:

Death of the Endless. Her duty is the put an end to the universe itself at the end, something of a higher importance than anything Marvel's Death has done.

@IcePrince_X said:

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless cannot die, just as Dream of the Endless cannot die; just their individual being, but the concept never dies until Death chooses, which she will at the end of time; the last member of the Endless to die will be Destiny, once the universe is over.

actually Marvel Death's duty is also to end the multiverse existence. she's the opposite of Eternity. Marvel Death represent the end of time, and she had many great feats.

what does Death of the endless have as feats?

@JediXMan said:

Death of the Endless. Her duty is the put an end to the universe itself at the end, something of a higher importance than anything Marvel's Death has done.

@IcePrince_X said:

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless cannot die, just as Dream of the Endless cannot die; just their individual being, but the concept never dies until Death chooses, which she will at the end of time; the last member of the Endless to die will be Destiny, once the universe is over.

Well Death of Marvel has never been killed either period except by a good portion of Pre Retcon Beyonders power.

Pre Retcon Beyonder >>> to Endless Death.

So its hard to say Marvel Death can be killed by a universal being like Endless Death.

@CadenceV2 said:

@JediXMan said:

Death of the Endless. Her duty is the put an end to the universe itself at the end, something of a higher importance than anything Marvel's Death has done.

@IcePrince_X said:

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless cannot die, just as Dream of the Endless cannot die; just their individual being, but the concept never dies until Death chooses, which she will at the end of time; the last member of the Endless to die will be Destiny, once the universe is over.

Well Death of Marvel has never been killed either period except by a good portion of Pre Retcon Beyonders power.

Pre Retcon Beyonder >>> to Endless Death.

So its hard to say Marvel Death can be killed by a universal being like Endless Death.

It was implied that Marvel's Death could have died the same way as the Cancerverse Death did.

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@JediXMan said:

Death of the Endless. Her duty is the put an end to the universe itself at the end, something of a higher importance than anything Marvel's Death has done.

@IcePrince_X said:

The Endless can die...just like Morpheus but they are replaced by a new counterpart.

Death of the Endless cannot die, just as Dream of the Endless cannot die; just their individual being, but the concept never dies until Death chooses, which she will at the end of time; the last member of the Endless to die will be Destiny, once the universe is over.

actually Marvel Death's duty is also to end the multiverse existence. she's the opposite of Eternity. Marvel Death represent the end of time, and she had many great feats.

what does Death of the endless have as feats?

When did was it said that Marvel's Death, 616 Death, would end the entire Multiverse? And there are different Death entities per-universe; the 616 Death isn't the same as others. The Cancerverse's Death was killed and stayed dead - they were defeated when Thanos tricked them into bring 616 Death to them.

@JediXMan: Death like Eternity is at the same time universal and multiversal, 616 Death is an aspect of Death as Cancerverse Death is. Death/Oblivion are the opposite of Eternity/Infinity, the end of existence means the rule of Death and Oblivion, as Death represents the end of time and Oblivion represents the end of space. when Death was vanquished in the cancerverse, it was just an aspect of her, but when 616 Death came to the cancerverse she destroyed it completly, making it become nothingness/entropy where rule Death and Oblivion.

Death has desplayed power in the cancerverse beyond the understanding of The Many Angled Ones combined including Shuma-Gorath.

death of the endless wins because she is actually interesting

Well since it seems Chaos Wars retconned the abstracts of Marvel to multiversal level (at least Oblivion), then I assume the same was applied to the rest of them (i.e. Eternity, Infinity, Death, etc.). I really don't see anyone winning you can't kill Death.

@JediXMan: Given that Death seems multiversal being (much like the combine Phoenix Force as a whole) I say the death of Cancerverse Death was merely a small aspect of the larger entity.

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@JediXMan: Death like Eternity is at the same time universal and multiversal, 616 Death is an aspect of Death as Cancerverse Death is. Death/Oblivion are the opposite of Eternity/Infinity, the end of existence means the rule of Death and Oblivion, as Death represents the end of time and Oblivion represents the end of space. when Death was vanquished in the cancerverse, it was just an aspect of her, but when 616 Death came to the cancerverse she destroyed it completly, making it become nothingness/entropy where rule Death and Oblivion.

Death has desplayed power in the cancerverse beyond the understanding of The Many Angled Ones combined including Shuma-Gorath.

Thats how it seems to be these days.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

Well since it seems Chaos Wars retconned the abstracts of Marvel to multiversal level (at least Oblivion), then I assume the same was applied to the rest of them (i.e. Eternity, Infinity, Death, etc.). I really don't see anyone winning you can't kill Death.

Eaxactly. In a wat back in the day Death and Eternity were Multiversal to begin with. Then they became Universal. Now it seems there both. Death as a whole might have mere abstracts of itself for every Universe.

Battles between abstracts are pointless

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Death of The Endless. She is the most powerful member of the Endless and she is True Death, meaning she will exist as long as the concept of life does. She has complete control over the aspects of both life and death and she is the being who ends one universe and moves on to another. She is also capable of killing other abstracts and unlike the other endless, she is not tied to laws or rules.

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Death of the Endless is more powerful.

DoE

Marvel Death wins IMO, the Marvel abstracts/concepts have no true definition outside of M-bodies they use to manifest to lower beings. Can the same be said for the Endless? Death in Marvel is not really a being, it/she/he is a state of being and is just the absence of life. Since Death of the Endless is the one that 'outlasts" all the others then she is not in Marvels Deaths level. The flip side of Death in Marvel is Oblivion, which is the total cessation of all things. The Endless equivalent to Oblivion is Destruction, yet Death will outlive Destruction as far as the Endless is concerned. So while Death and Oblivion in Marvel are two sides of the same coin, Death and Destruction with the Endless are not so clearly defined and Death is over Destruction, even though Death will leave the oblivion that is nothing in it's wake. Wouldn't that nothing Death (Endless) leaves behind be what Destruction has made possible? Marvel trumps them by creating a being like Phoenix to undo all the Abstracts ended up being at the end of everything. The Endless are overrated and have nothing in the way of feats to contend with Marvel Abstracts and above, IMO.

@lordofallhumans: And M-bodies are supposed to make the marvel abstracts special, how exactly? When these same M-bodies were usurped by the likes of Maelstrom (like he did to anomaly)

you're underestimating the endless here, some of them have pretty cool feats, a death was able to destroy the whole universe.

Overall though, id say it's pretty close, especially given Mistress Death's performance in Thanos Imperative, but id sitll give Death of the endless the slight edge.

@rolldestroyer:

They make them special because anytime you see Death, Eternity and even the LT on panel, that is not them and is meant to be something your mortal mind can grasp.

What are these cool feats, and how are they above Marvel Abstracts? In Marvel Life ends, Death comes and then Death ends because of Oblivion, but then there is a spark (Phoenix), and everything starts over. Marvel never ends!! The Endless, down to their last would never have enough power to end the endlessness that is Marvel, because it is cyclical and never ending.

They employ M-Bodies because they have no physical forms, the exact same thing goes to the endless. 5D imps look like children because their true forms can't be comprehended by mortals, too.

creating billions of universes. And Death of the endless is confirmed to be the ultimate Death in DC, yet we see other forms of Death who could destroy entire universes, all of creation in fact. I never said that all of the endless are above the Marvel abstracts, im just saying that Death of the endless is above Mistress Death, Death of the endless is the most powerful one of the endless, she's the one who kills them all, she can travel to others' realms freely, and basically she's the only one feared by the kindly ones when they showed no fear of the other endless.

Though im not sure that Phoneix has any role to play, what has it done, really?

As stated above, battles between abstracts are pointless. It's all speculation.

Death of Marvel has horrible consistency (like many abstracts). She jumps between universal and multiversal, and she was sent packing by somebody that devoured 98.97% of the multiverse. I say she isn't really multiversal.....

I really don't see how you can prove Marvel's Death is superior or inferior to DC's Death unless some major jobbing happens....

Endless death

@beyondergod: there already is a thread about this. @god_spawn:

And how many times DoE been done that? Anti-Monitor put end and death to more universes than Death of the Endless in my eyes

Foursome with Thanos and Deadpool

What about Cornellvine?

@laflux Totally forgot. Looks like we have an orgy.

Death of the Endless I think would win this.

IIRC, IG Thanos was so much stronger than Death that she had someone speak to Thanos in her place.

So yeah, Death of the Endless takes this.

Marvel's Death operates in a universal scale, Death of the Endless a multiversal scale.

Endless death is way more deep in the metaphysics department. She is completely independent of energy manipulation or physics, which marvel abstracts got killed with thousand times. That she was killed by Beyonder proves that she is a subject to death.

Endless death is stronger. No question.

Death of the Endless is leagues above Mistress Death.

Agreed^

death of the endless because she is cuter and has shown much less limitations (the only being even capable of threatening her are basically some of the strongest characters in fiction, while marvel death pissed her pants against the chaos kings who was almost matched by an extremely amped Hercules)

Death of the endless solos marvel.

I think Death of the endless wins. Marvel death pissed her pants against the Chaos king, I highly doubt the chaos king would do much against any of the endless members, they all scale above mxy and darkseid true form for example.

Also Death of the endless need everyone to die if you want to kill her sooooo, try that one :)