Deadliest Warrior #1: Captain America vs Batman

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Physicals go to Cap. Stronger and faster. More stamina.

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#102  Edited By tparks  Online

Cap took not only the majority, but 100% of the posts were in favor of Cap for physicals so Cap has been rewarded the EDGE. On to ROUND 4: Fighting Skills.

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Batman's raw technical martial art skill is superior to Captain America's. Steve isn't far behind though.

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Batman is the superior fighter

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Batmans superior showings consistently against greater strength opponents out shines Steve IMO.

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Captain A,Erica has the fighting against Korvac for 1000 years feat. Not sure if that's sufficient to give him the nod, but it's food for thought. I personally and this is my opinion, believe the master of all forms of combat is more skilled than Batman.

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#107 the_red_viper  Moderator

Bruce is more skilled, and more resourceful.

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#109 tparks  Online

This category will be open for 4 more hours or so. Get a post in soon if you want to weigh in on fighting skills!

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Cap is a solder he fought to kill on countless battlefields in WW2 he takes the edge here he knows how to use his shield in CIC and as sated earlier his Shield backs enough force to hit well above Caps weight class Batman takes a hit from Caps shield he goes and stays down. even un armed Cap is a solder and goes for the kill Batman is a vigilante who never kills IMO this should go to the trained solder who is better in CIC with his gear and even without it will more likely go for the kill.

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#111  Edited By SOG7dc

Batman has learned and mastered every fighting style known to man. It's crazy how people use the fact that he doesn't kill against him. He himself has said that it takes more skill not to kill his opponents. Batman also has stealth skill

In his favor as he has shown on multiple occasions to disappear from in front of someone. Batman has also fought and beaten enemies stronger than him with skill before using pressure points. Bruce is clearly more skilled imo

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Batman has to go for the KO

Cap can co for the Kill I think that Gives Cap an edge here

also Batman's Pressure points will have to get Past Caps armor that's not going to happen

and Caps skill with his shield is his biggest advantage here

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#113  Edited By tparks  Online

Another close round, but Batman took a slight EDGE in Fighting Skills. On to ROUND 5: X-Factors

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#114  Edited By Cjdavis103

@tparks:

and the X-factors are what?

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Batman is stealthier and a better detective. I'm not saying he gets this category at all, just pointing those out.

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X-Factors are?

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i think i can sum up batman taking the edge here in one sentence:

Cap is the guy to fall on the wire for his brothers in arms; while batman is the guy who planned for the wire.

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Batman also cheats, and is a better inventor. I'm sure Cap has X factors of his own though.

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Cap is a solder so he gets the edge in killing intent

Cap also has a sensory advantage that negates Batman stealth

They Both have fought beings well above their weight class so Bravery/valor is a push

Intimation is a push niter is going to intimatade he other

Psychologically speaking Cap is healthier then Bats edge cap

discipline is a push Cap is a solder and Batman has trained himself

trickery Batman takes this obviously

intelligence most would think that this goes to Bats in a stomp but Captain is (informed) to be a genius military commander in this one filde of expertise I think this is a push to advantage Cap

speed on foot edge cap

speed using gadgets Bat

I have more will continue listing

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#120  Edited By TifaLockhart

Cap may be more intelligent but when the League needs a plan, they turn to Batman for tactics. He's not too shabby in that department.

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@tifalockhart:

that's is why I said it was a push to a Advantage cap

it could be a push depending on how you look at

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Cap is a solder so he gets the edge in killing intent

Cap also has a sensory advantage that negates Batman stealth

They Both have fought beings well above their weight class so Bravery/valor is a push

Intimation is a push niter is going to intimatade he other

Psychologically speaking Cap is healthier then Bats edge cap

discipline is a push Cap is a solder and Batman has trained himself

trickery Batman takes this obviously

intelligence most would think that this goes to Bats in a stomp but Captain is (informed) to be a genius military commander in this one filde of expertise I think this is a push to advantage Cap

speed on foot edge cap

speed using gadgets Bat

I have more will continue listing

to this i would ask who do you think is more likely to find a way to defeat the other? who is more likely to come up with the plan to win?

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@sog7dc:

Both are equally as likely

still working on outer X factors

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@sog7dc: that is your opinion and you are entitled to it

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#126 tparks  Online

This round will be open for around 4 or 5 more hours. Make sure to get a post in if you want to weigh in on X-Factors!

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@tparks:

Which X factors are you trying to use !!!!!!!!

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#128 tparks  Online

@cjdavis103: They can be anything that is not primarily focused on Equipment, Ranged Combat, Physicals, or Fighting Skills. It could be something like intelligence, stealth, tactics, etc...

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#129  Edited By OriginalGL_Alan

One of Batman's biggest attributes (and a possible fault especially if we're talking about a battle to the death) is his refusal to kill the opponent. If you look throughout his canon comic book career, you'll see the staunch refusal to kill another human being, even one who has caused as much suffering as the Joker. Captain America does not have this "do not kill at all costs" mentality. I'd give an edge to Captain America for that.

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#130  Edited By the_red_viper  Moderator

@tparks:

Batman:

Batman is more resourceful and creative. Along with his detective skills, he's the kind of guy who has a knack for finding a creative way out of tight situations, whether it's by using his gadgets or his surroundings or whatever, unlike Cap who is more "I'm stronger and I have a shield so don't stand in my way".

Cap:

Captain America always seemed more driven and unrelenting to me. He won't stop until he gets the job done, no matter how broken, beaten and scarred he is (Metallica pun). Sure, Batman is also very driven, but I always thought Cap had an edge in this department.

In "Deadliest Warrior" they DID give an X-Factor to each side, y'know, lol.

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Cap's biggest advantage in the X factor is killing intent Cap can kill Bats can't

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@tparks:

Batman:

Batman is more resourceful and creative. Along with his detective skills, he's the kind of guy who has a knack for finding a creative way out of tight situations, whether it's by using his gadgets or his surroundings or whatever, unlike Cap who is more "I'm stronger and I have a shield so don't stand in my way".

Great point about Batman's overall ingenuity in a fight being better than Cap's. I concur.

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@tparks:

Batman:

Batman is more resourceful and creative. Along with his detective skills, he's the kind of guy who has a knack for finding a creative way out of tight situations, whether it's by using his gadgets or his surroundings or whatever, unlike Cap who is more "I'm stronger and I have a shield so don't stand in my way". As well as Batman's

Cap:

Captain America always seemed more driven and unrelenting to me. He won't stop until he gets the job done, no matter how broken, beaten and scarred he is (Metallica pun). Sure, Batman is also very driven, but I always thought Cap had an edge in this department.

In "Deadliest Warrior" they DID give an X-Factor to each side, y'know, lol.

Generalization.

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@the_red_viper said:

@tparks:

Batman:

Batman is more resourceful and creative. Along with his detective skills, he's the kind of guy who has a knack for finding a creative way out of tight situations, whether it's by using his gadgets or his surroundings or whatever, unlike Cap who is more "I'm stronger and I have a shield so don't stand in my way". As well as Batman's

Generalization.

Agreed, but I do think his overall point is a valid one. (even if he didn't represent Cap very well)

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#135  Edited By OriginalGL_Alan

@the_red_viper:

Cap's biggest advantage in the X factor is killing intent Cap can kill Bats can't

It's not that Batman can't kill, it's that he does everything in his power to avoid killing. There are very few instances in canon where Batman has actually killed his opponent (the battle against the Sensei during the Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul being one example). Captain America does not have as powerful a drive to avoid killing his opponent. The killing intent is definitely a huge X-Factor for Captain America, but don't make the assumption that Batman can't kill.

Batman's biggest X-Factor IMO is his guile and tactical prowess. While Captain America is a great strategist, I'd argue that in terms of a single opponent vs single opponent fight, Batman is the better strategist. Being a soldier through and through and having been on the front lines often, Caps strategic knowledge is more built around moving groups to victory. For most of his career, Batman has been working alone, so his strategic mind is more centered around using just himself and the environment, not teammates. Batman has also shown that his mastery of manipulating his environment is immense, being able to take down groups of people without ever having to leave the shadows. He's not above doing anything to win, so long as it doesn't mean killing his opponent.

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Exactly bat man is willing to do anything except kill cap is willing to do anything period. Edge cap

The tactics are a push IMO they are both the tactical master minds of their respective teams

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BACKGROUND

EQUIPMENTCaptain America SuitTony Stark, master of armors, states that Cap’s suit is ‘good armor’

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Has chainmail in his armor,which protects him from vampire bites and bites from Vipor

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Misc. equipment

Has access to various SHIELD technology and equipment,such as gravity grips

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Uses gadget to disable Jet (blinding flash)

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Uses Smoke bombs

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Hank Pym built a universal translator in his suit that translates Zola’s creations language

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Here it is in action

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Captain America ShieldCap has enough strength with the shield to chop Ultron’s adamantium neck in half

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Cap’s strength + shield, shows enough strength to shatter Tony’s Extremis armor - a suit that can take space and deep-sea pressures, and that has tanked a nuke twice without force-fields

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Cap’s shield is able to take a blow from Odinforce Thor

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Extremis Iron Man finds it hard to throw Cap’s shield

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Easily takes missiles

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Deflects rocket with his shield

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Deflects energy attacks

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Super Soldier SerumSSS enhances his physicals AND mental abilities (his brain)

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Captain America doesn’t age normally being that he was stuck in Dimension Z fighting for survival for 12 years and has barely aged.

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SHIELD TOSS AND MARKSMANSHIPCaptain America throws the shield with enough strength and momentum to KO an enraged Namor. In fairness, it was most likely a lucky shot (Namor’s a 100+ tonner), but still impressive nonetheless.

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Cap displays insane control with the shield - first by fizzling off the flame of a lighter, and then by turning it back on again

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Cap uses the shield to cage an enemy

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Cap is able to deflect a bullet off his photon shield...back to Bucky’s shield...to the ceiling...and then straight to the Controller - who was mind-controlling Bucky to shoot the bullet

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Cap is able to deflect a flying Mjolnir using his shield

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Cap is able to line his shield just right to trigger the explosive armor on an enemy

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Simultaneously deflects bullets (with his shield and a shield throw) and dodges bullets

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Cap hits Onslaught with the shield, with enough strength to draw blood

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Cap flips his shield using his feet, and then tosses it to hit an enemy in the back

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Cap throws a shield with enough strength+momentum to rip a tank’s turret straight off

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Cap uses the shield tactically

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Cap flips his shield with a single blow, timing it just right to shield him from an enemy’s punch

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Cap throws his shield, timing it just right to block an innocent in midair

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Cap uses his shield to alter Cable’s trajectory and avoid civilian casualties - Cable is impressed at this

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Cap reflects his shield to shatter out of some cuffs

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Captain America,to Nick Fury’s disbelief,throws a shield at an in-flight ICBM. An ICBM can travel 13-15,000 mph

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FIGHTING ABILITYCaptain America vs Crossbones

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Captain America vs Gambit

-In this fight,Captain America easily handles the mutant Gambit while talking to Tony Stark (paying him little mind) and dodges all of Gambit’s explosively charged attacks,while also taking Gambit’s explosion that he believed would keep Cap down without any ill effects (doesn’t even looked like it fazed him). Also,Cap can run a 40-yard dash in 3.82 seconds

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Captain America does a cool takedown on Nazi Superhuman Master Man using acrobatic ability and also strength by smashing him into a wall with a tackle (while MM was charging)

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Stuns griffin with a shield throw and one-shot superhuman Bullet

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Cap curbstomps Batroc

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Captain America adapts to zero-g combat - surprising Kang, who states that he has mastered the form better than those who’ve trained for decades

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Beast, a genius himself, states that Cap is able to master any weapon in seconds

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Cap shows that he’s adept at conventional boxing, as he takes on this superhuman fighter

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Captain America is able to take out Armadillo using strategy and his environment,his strength,and his agility/speed and overall skill

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Cap is able to take down a Namor clone that was able to defeat Torch. This clone was developed by Mr. Sinister, who expresses surprise that Cap was able to defeat it

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Cap outfights Lady Deathstrike

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Cap defeats an entire room of Cape-Killers, reacting fast enough to dodge their tranquilizers and bullets, and maneuvering fast enough to take them down non-lethally. He is then able to escape by jumping out the room and landing on a plane

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Cap easily owns Beast, a 10-tonner-ish

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Cap is able to catch a sucker punch from US Agent (10-tonner), and then uses his knowledge of pressure points to inflict immediate pain

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Cap, in his less-experienced WWII days, is able to stalemate T’Chaka, Black Panther’s father. T’Chaka is infused with the Heart-shaped Herb here

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He uses nerve strikes to KO a superhuman-level werewolf

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Cap uses a single nerve cluster touch to KO Viper

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Cap knocks out some random scientist with another nerve strike

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Cap uses pressure strikes and momentum to throw Professor Hulk out the door

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Cap takes on an entire room full of Asgardian trolls (who are easily superhuman, veteran warriors)...and wins

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Cap fights Black Panther, and while he wins, it should be noted that Panther was holding back (because both had the Brood inside them, but Panther’s Panther God thing was trying to fight it off). But Cap displays the ability to sense air patterns shifting to detect his opponent, and Panther states that Cap is able to adapt to every fighting style

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Captain America is able to defeat three Super-Soldiers, each his physical equivalent (though one of them had a brain aneuyrsm in the middle of the fight)

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Cap is able to defeat a fighter who has catalogued ‘every fighting style in the world’

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Cap takes out two more Super-Soldiers with ease

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Steve Rogers, while depowered to his skinny sickly self, was able to defeat two Super-Soldiers using improvisation and fighting skills

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Cap takes down the Rhino, a Spidey foe who can lift 70-100 tons

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A somewhat amnesia afflicted Captain America effortlessly tears through a bunch of people after being buried underneath a building. And the last punch sends a soldier flying back and shatters his helmet

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Captain America disguised as crossbones fights through a 4 man gauntlet. One of them Nimrod, having a durability rating of 5 out of 7. He then continues to fight the group of unarmed villains and gets away.

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AGILITY/SPEED/ReflexesDodges Crossbones energy attack at point blank range and the other when crossbones is directly above him.

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Captain America dodges three sonic blasts from Skylark - proving he can react to the speed of sound

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Cap dodges lasers at point-blank range

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Cap, after being punched into the sky by Warrior Woman (50-tonner), is still able to flip in midair and land on a moving plane

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Cap dodges multiple tree-lasers!

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Cap dodging lasers in a zero-gravity training session

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Able to dodge lasers from flying opponents while he’s in freefall!

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After having his legs frozen together by Iceman (up to the thigh), he still has enough strength to hurl himself into midair, flip, and then land perfectly on Bobby Drake

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Cap counters Quicksilver

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Cap dodges a speedster

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Make that two speedsters

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Cap tags a being with Quicksilver’s speed

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Captain America hits one of Zola’s creations speeding above his head in a flying speeder

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Cap Dodges these bullets from very close range. While Fending off opponents, he moves so fast the man standing not 10 feet from him couldn’t hit him and couldn’t even fathom how he moved so quickly

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Cap is thrashing this guys teammates right in front of him, and the guy starts squeezing his m-16 from BEHIND cap, notice that the guy hits all of his own men which were on their way down anyway...but cap ends up BEHIND him

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Cap explaining that he can see faster than bullets can travel

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Moves faster than Dum Dum Dugan can get a bead on him (and dodges gunfire from the 3 of them at once)

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Cap hitting trip wires and then dodging the explosion

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Blocks random energy attacks with a metal glove,which shows some great hand speed.

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Cap trapped in a floor designed to spin with beams coming from all direction.

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Cap outruns DiamondBack as we see Cap is so far he's just a spec on the page.

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Cap runs past Daredevil like he's a breeze. DD attests that Cap is faster than himself.

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Cap hits a flying rammer up close as it was in mid-flight just inches from his face

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Cap moves quicker than car thrown by super human armadillo

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These advanced tracking balls move quick (it evaded his shield throw),but Cap can tag it.

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Cap dodges bullets the second guy doesn't even bother trying from up close.

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Cap blocking bullets after they were fired.

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Cap tags Whirlwind.

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Cap grabs the fast Puma in mid-leap

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Cap blocks bullets with a shield throw. Notice the bullets were fired first.

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Dodges bullets at point blank range

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Cap dodging lots of bullets from automated weapons from multiple gunners at close range with acrobatic ability and speed

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Cap slipping between bullets

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Cap is cornered by a lot of men on motorcycles who encircle him,the leader then shoots a flamethrower and Cap evades moving so fast that they don’t even see him jump away. A group of men on motorcycles encircle him and he moved so fast that they thought that they had set him on fire.

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Cap moves so fast that he confuses the gunner as to where he went

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An atlantean cannot keep up with Cap

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Cap runs through Nazis before they can even do anything

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Moving fast while evading gunfire and blocking it at point distance range

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Cap moves with the speed of his shield

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Rolls with the force of a concussive blast

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Cap still slipping through beams

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Dodging laser blasts from robots like it’s nothing

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Cap moves so fast that these guys barely even see him flip right past him,which leaves them confused (and they were waiting for him,all while dodging gunfire)

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Leaps two stories on to rooftop of another building

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Cap dodging gun fire from multiple terrorists;

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and then from a helicopter;

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More from terrorists;

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Cap believes he'd survive the crash of the train, resulting in the explosions of a dirty bomb, including TONS of C4.

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Leaps out of a moving 'hover car' onto a jet and disarms it;

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Dodging energy weapons. Or, better yet, saving bucky from energy weapons;

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Dodging bullets in midair;

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More bullet dodging;

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More bullet dodging;

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Twenty miles? Nothing to Cap; he's just warmed up to work on the heavy bag.

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Cap's not agile? Simultaneously taking out four guys;

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DURABILITY/ ENDURANCECap easily withstands a 200 ft fall.

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Cap handles this nuclear furnace.

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Survives a big explosion.

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Without shield survives a extreme high airplane crash.

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Jumps out of helicopter leaves small foot craters on ground.

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Jumps out of helicopter onto vehicle.

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High quint-jet fall strikes Onslaught on the way down.

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Cap falls, notice the Quinjet is close to the buildings height.

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Cap falls, releases from parachute.

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Another release from parachute.

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Cap jumps off a building through the glass of another building and lands on the ground of the the second building.

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High building fall.

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Building fall.

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Cap falls from two or three hundred feet before crashing in the ocean.

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Falls off a building to the top of another building.

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Fall from a high-Shield building.

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Building jump to another.

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Nasty elevator crash.

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Leaps out of a crashing plane into the ocean.

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Insane fall traveling over 100 mph, lands on the hard Thing Ben Grimm.

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Fall into ocean.

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Canon ball crash into ocean.

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Falls ontop of a Shield Sub?

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Gets hit by a vehicle going 40 mph, doesn't hurt him much.

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Survives being crushed by Dragon Man.

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Entire building falls down as Cap, as the Red Scull uses Cap's durable body as the wrecking ball "ouch".

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Cap takes a nasty beating from Namor.

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Cap takes a nasty beating from a blood lusted Ironman.

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Even worse in Civil War attacks from Spiderman/Ironman and then some.

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Air Walker herald of Galactus blasts all 3 Cap, Ironman and even yes Thor. Cap takes the brunt of the blast as it engulfs all of them in it. In the end its Cap who's carrying both Ironman and Thor.

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Cap with his shield has blocked lots of things like explosions to even hits from Hulk and Thor. Most don't consider it too impressive because the shield absorbs the impact, but lets see how a regular person does who blocks two direct hits right on the shield.

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Takes a beating from Namor when they first met. You can see the boulders being smashed to pieces and Captain America’s bare skin is hitting them.

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Captain America takes a punch from an enraged Namor and also has his arm broken by Namor and still stands afterwards

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Captain America outsmarts a trap designed to capture Skrulls - by falling down onto an elevator

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Falls great height and gets back up next second

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Takes beating from Zola creations

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And manages to beat one,but gets cut open in the process

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Takes hit (and powerful pounding) from Zola’s genetic creations. These are different from the others because they are from his SSS DNA and were created through negatively charged gamma rays

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Takes powerful kick from Jet Zola,who has super strength

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And then takes more punches from her

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To give you an idea of her strength,she easily rips through metal doors

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And then kills two Zola creatures with one hit

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Falls another height on to a ledge

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then wakes up and climbs after

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Then gets a blade and cuts open a huge hole in his chest to rid (most of) Zola’s influence (The Zola virus) from his body (since much of it is still in his body afterwards)

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Still losing blood from the deep wound,meanwhile the Zola virus is still in him and regrouping

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Falls from ANOTHER great height

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Then gets shot in his side

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Here,he takes beating from Gamma charged clones (Zola’s creations),and then proceeds to kick it in the mouth and beat it down (which hurts it and sends it back a few feet),all of this while losing even more blood (he’s actually lost too much,to the point that his vision is fading)

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He then impales it with his shield and then sends it flying back with a powerful blow,knocking it out. However,he then takes a hard blow from behind with metal bars from Ian Zola (who has Super strength,and sends Steve flying back after one hit)

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And then again,and then gets up shortly after

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Takes another hit from Ian Zola,which sends him flying back

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And is then impaled in the back with a spiked shield

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Then falls another great height and hits metal structures along the way.

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Cap gets beat up by a super suit-wearing Red Skull (getting smashed through walls and such) and the entire building falls on him.

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And after all that,he only has a few cuts and bruises and has an arm in a sling

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Cap doesn’t need a parachute. He leaps from a great height from a helicopter and lands on his feet shattering the surrounding concrete and is completely fine.

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Cap is in a car filled with assault rifle rounds,which hit him and Captain America doesn’t have on his suit or his shield meaning this is just him taking these rounds and he takes 7 in just one arm. Not to mention the other ones he catches.... and he is unaffected, he never squirms or winces, in fact he starts shooting back as if the bullets arent even there. And in the next panel he is completely fine.

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Survives lethal electrocution

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HEALING/ RECOVERY/ IMMUNITY"My metabolism doesn't let me get drunk.

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"I don't get drunk I can't."

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Keeps up with Logan in drinking as they already been to 5 other bars.

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John Steele who can throw jeeps like baseballs and has bullet proof skin does a elbow strike on Steve's leg. As Steve tells Beast "I heal fast".

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Cap's hands are burnt bad in the fires. They'll heal once were out of here.

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Cap got burned from alien tech. "Amazing his burns are already healing".

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Bullet to the shoulder no worries for Cap. "I heal fast" "I'm built that way"

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Cap handles poison.

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Was offered paramedics for being in a bad explosion. Cap's answer "not necessary"

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Cap takes a thrashing from Namor. Namor impressed how quickly Cap recovers.

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(Cap was going to go another round with Namor later on)

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A alien agent was affecting many including super humans like She-Hulk, but not Captain America.

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An aging formula that makes you old an die affect Cap and the Red Skull. It eventually killed off RS as he couldn't handle a fight with Cap(Red Skull didn't have a cloned body of Cap yet.) But Cap mentions the SSS is what is keeping him alive despite it rapidly aging him.

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A process to turn men into perfect woman was tried on Captain America and superhuman Paladin. Notice there more worried about Captain America.

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(his mental acuity is drastically decreased but she's still worried about Cap)

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(SSS could resist it. Near toxic levels, increase the level.)

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(Enough sedative to kill a horse but not Cap)

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Again a lethal virus created by the Red Skull. It killed more then 1000's and affected She Hulk badly as it put others like Scott(Cyclops) in medical care for a long time. Cap was exposed to it throughout most of Black Panthers/Ironmans fight with Skull.

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Remember the punishment Cap took in Civil War he recovers rather quickly for his rematch with Ironman.

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And hear Cap looks healthy despite what he took previous as he even has the advantage on "Extremis" Ironman. Tony's even down and puking.

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Bullet to the head lots of blood splattered. Steve died and healed a bullet to the head.

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The SSS grants slowed aging and Cap's other enhancement from WW2.

Sersi a eternal notes Cap like her is "ever youthful" as she can wait for Steve.

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Other SSS characters find out his father has slowed aging due the SSS.(Josiaha/Isaiha)

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Cap is eternal like Hydra. Which helps explain why Cap always comes back from the dead.

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Old issue Cap contemplating possibly being alone forever.

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STRENGTHA combination of reflexes and strength,he manages to throw his shield to deflect a torpedo upwards and then catch it

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Lifts fallen tree over his head

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After just gaining his peak attributes,Captain America jumps approximately 10 ft (or more) to catch Dr. Erskine’s killer.

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Cap has enough strength to carry the adamantium-skeleton Logan (300 lbs) and super-strong Ms. Marvel (124lbs) - fast enough to dodge a near-point blank hail of bullets

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Cap is able to force an underwater Namor (who is mind-controlled) to release his grip - twice!

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Cap pulls down an entire small helicopter with 2 men inside using strength,sending them crashing through the windshield.

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Cap (in his black Captain suit), knocks out the 10-tonner John Walker

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Angered,Cap is able to beat up a super-strong Kree warrior (doesn’t have a shield)

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After being stabbed in the chest with a huge needle filled with dope/sleeping agents,he rips through steel restrainers and throws his shield through Zola’s machinery with enough strength to destroy them in a consecutive path.

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Throws shield with enough strength to split Zola creature’s head in two

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Literally rips through truck completely with a shield throw

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Rips arm off of robot designed to withstand regiments

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Cap breaking out of ice without any leverage or momentum

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Captain America catches Big Bertha (750 lbs) and then throws her at a nearby villain

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A skyscraper falls on them and the only hope Cap has is using the impact absorbing shield. That scan makes it clear that it can only take so much of that weight. This shield absorbs the force/impact and momentum but it doesn't make that weight magically "disappear". This is a momentous feat for sure. As it states the rest of the weight is being held up by the mightiest will on the planet.

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Cap holds up debris while shielding another person and then breaks free

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Cap holds up falling concrete and steel while shielding Constrictor

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Cap carrying large telephone pole with transformer attached to it

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Pushes head of soldier against wall with one hand,which shatters the wall

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Lifts motorcycle over his head

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Cap holding strong arms of Lady Octopus

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Cap restrains Wolverine (who only gets out via headbutt)

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And restrains him again

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The Superhuman Berserk tilts a car over Cap, as we see later the car is upright.

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Breaks out of SHIELD containment device

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Bends flap of jet from outside

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Cap pulling a supply truck through the desert

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Even with an injured shoulder (shot),Captain America breaks down steel door

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Stops a falling elevator with his shield by applying enough force on outside (enough force to stop it)

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Cap closing nuclear launch doors

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Cap keeps open the Gamma-Core emergency door, huge doors that self-shut for emergency.

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Cap lifts a big piece of debris off.

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Cap easily deflects a statue thats stated to weigh a Ton or more.

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Cap tilts over a big heavy statue that he's chained up too.

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Lifts a huge block of concrete over his head and throws it on a sniper on a rooftop at a far distance

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RANDOM FACTS/Misc.Captain America states that he has didactic memory - he is able to remember every tactic and every face and moment of his life

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Cap shows enough intelligence to break into top-secret military records

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Quentin Quire tries to peep inside Cap’s mind, and Cap dares him to try to telepathically invade him (showing he has telepathic defenses):

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Cap is worthy to lift Mjolnir, a feat that only a few (Beta Ray Bill, Eric Masterson among others) have accomplished

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Cap is able to use observation to deduce multiple truths about Spidey, in their first appearance

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Captain America using his sheer willpower and Super Soldier Serum to recover from being shot in the head and pronounced dead for 12 minutes

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Able to counter Starfox’s powerful pheromone ability (which worked on She Hulk) that works through pleasure stimulation

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Captain America resisting and breaking free of the influence of Honest John (which was capable of taking control over Thor)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3035642-uncannyavengers003-zone-013_zpsec8239be.jpg

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Cap uses stealth to get the drop on Crossbones (literally)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/drillpogodrill/Thunderbolts150025.jpg

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Cap uses momentum from force of blow from Eric Masterson’s attack to quickly recover and direct himself back at Eric in an attack that he believed would’ve been devastating

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CREDITS:This thread could not have been made without the hard work of @veshark, Cameron83, Sage Mode aka Killer Bee (over at Comicbookmovies.com) and Saotome (over at Herochat.com)

If you like this page, please visit the respect thread for Bucky Barnes AKA the Winter Soldier here: http://www.comicvine.com/bucky-barnes/4005-40470/forums/bucky-barnes-respect-thread-662398/

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Quite the lengthy post, that one.

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@slimj87d: Holy text wall! Can you highlight a few of those I should check out? There's no way I can look at all of those in one lifetime! lol.

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0.0........... wow lots of scans there!

did you put this together your self?

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your going to be very busy going over that

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Cap's biggest advantage in the X factor is killing intent Cap can kill Bats can't

It's not like Cap kills anyone he sees. He kills if he doesn't have a choice. When Batman doesn't have a choice, he just goes all Batmanish and finds a way to keep his foe alive.

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@cjdavis103 said:

@the_red_viper:

Cap's biggest advantage in the X factor is killing intent Cap can kill Bats can't

It's not like Cap kills anyone he sees. He kills if he doesn't have a choice. When Batman doesn't have a choice, he just goes all Batmanish and finds a way to keep his foe alive.

Another generalization by you.

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meaning Batman has to try harder in this fight it IS a condition in this fight That Batman is going to do anything and everything to avoid killing some one and without PIS taking someone alive is much much harder then killing them. Captain has the option to kill, Batman dose not in character the Edge her goes to Captain America

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#144  Edited By the_red_viper  Moderator

@the_red_viper said:

@cjdavis103 said:

@the_red_viper:

Cap's biggest advantage in the X factor is killing intent Cap can kill Bats can't

It's not like Cap kills anyone he sees. He kills if he doesn't have a choice. When Batman doesn't have a choice, he just goes all Batmanish and finds a way to keep his foe alive.

Another generalization by you.

When was the last time you saw Cap killing someone without having to? I remember quite in the beginning of the Winter Soldier arc (Brubaker's run), Cap either killed or seriously injured some fodder (AIM operatives IIRC), and Agent Thirteen said that he was acting out of the ordiary.

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meaning Batman has to try harder in this fight it IS a condition in this fight That Batman is going to do anything and everything to avoid killing some one and without PIS taking someone alive is much much harder then killing them. Captain has the option to kill, Batman dose not in character the Edge her goes to Captain America

How is KO/incapitation harder to achieve than death? Batman's whole arsenal is designed for the sole purpose of being non-lethal. Batman has been dealing with enemies without killing them for almost 75 years now.

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During Brubaker's run, Cap intentionally killed two criminals on a train by throwing his shield at them in a way so they were forced to jump out. He could have just restrained them, but he did otherwise. He isn't kill happy at all, but killing isn't a last option for him.

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#146  Edited By the_red_viper  Moderator

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@the_red_viper:

During Brubaker's run, Cap intentionally killed two criminals on a train by throwing his shield at them in a way so they were forced to jump out. He could have just restrained them, but he did otherwise. He isn't kill happy at all, but killing isn't a last option for him.

Yeah, I was talking about that incident. Agent Thirteen mentioned this to him and said he was acting weird lately. Meaning that stuff like that are pretty much out of character for him.

Even Ultimate Cap, who is with no doubt A LOT more brutal, doesn't always kill. He didn't kill Frank Simpson, and that guy tortured him for weeks.

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@slimj87d: Damn, that Captain America respect thread in his sub-forum is a lot longer than I thought.

On the subject of killing intent, Steve was trained as a soldier and regularly killed people during World War 2, and he has no mental blocks or qualms against doing so if he has to again. If he can get away with killing to achieve an objective he'll do it without any hesitation, since hesitating in a life or death situation where a fraction of a second means you're dead means he has a fair edge in that area.

As far as tactical and strategic planning, I can't recall anything off the top of my head to quantify who would be "better", though I was always of the idea that Steve is a better on-the-spot thinker and Bruce a better long-term planner.

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@the_red_viper:

Meh, Sharon just overreacting. Steve has killed before talking on other occasions before. Like I said, he isn't a blood blooded killer who looks to kill first in a situation, but killing isn't a final option that you have to back him into a corner for him to execute.

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#150 the_red_viper  Moderator

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Meh, Sharon just overreacting. Steve has killed before talking on other occasions before. Like I said, he isn't a blood blooded killer who looks to kill first in a situation, but killing isn't a final option that you have to back him into a corner for him to execute.

I simply don't see Cap going for the kill against Batman, because a solid majority of the time he doesn't go for the kill.

Either way it isn't an "X-Factor", since Batman deals with opponents who are willing to kill all the time, and his no-killing rule never stopped him from seriously maiming and injuring others before. I don't see that being a factor in this fight. Let's leave it at that.