This is not a normal battle, this will be done just like SPIKE TV"s show, "The Deadliest Warrior". There will not even be a scenario for the battle right from the start. The way this will work is that I will bring up a certain aspect of each character such as equipment, fighting skill, or physicals. During this time, only that aspect of the characters will be debated. I will then select who I think has the edge in the category based solely on what has been debated. Nothing else but that category can be debated at that time.
After all categories have been debated and edges have been given to each character for every category, I will set up a battle scenario that will determine the winner.
Round 1: Equipment - PUSH
Description of ROUND 1 is within the spoiler block.
Everyone made some awesome arguments for both Cap and Batman for this category. It honestly could go either way so I am giving this a PUSH.
After reading all of the messages, it was almost 50/50 on support for both Cap and Batman. Remember, these categories are completely based on what is brought up in your posts. I'm trying to not base any of this off of my personal preference, so if you do not like the outcome, make sure you give a well detailed post next time so your opinion gets the edge. This first category went way better then I expected and there was some great debating, hopefully this trend continues.
Captain America's shield is the most punishing piece of equipment in this fight. Sure, Batman has lots of great tools, but nothing hits as hard as Cap's shield. His shield could easily be a one-shot KO if Cap hits Bataman just right. Cap's shield is also the best piece of defense against any physical attack Batman attempts to use. It absorbs way more impact then Batman could ever dish out.
Batman is a walking tool box, and a large majority of those tools are made for fights. There were some great posts demonstrating how he could use these against Cap. One of his most used weapons is the Batarang. He throws these with pin-point precision, but does he have the accuracy to get past Cap's Shield? That's something will dig into a little more in the next category. He also has lasers, wrist spikes, bulletproof armor, a gliding fireproof cape, and more gadgets then a Swiss Army Knife. One thing Batman is good at, is picking the right tool for the job. A lot of his equipment is probably redundant and useless in his fight, but the weapons he does use, you can be sure that they will be the right one to take on someone like Cap.
Round 2: Ranged Combat - EDGE: BATMAN
Description of ROUND 2 is within the spoiler block.
There were arguments made for both sides, and a lot of grief that Batman doesn't have an edge in Round 1 (I can understand the grief, but make sure you get good posts in to make sure this doesn't happen again - remember: this is based solely on YOUR posts), but Batman had a clear advantage in the debates for ranged combat.
While Cap's shield can hit like a ton of bricks, he's limited to pretty much that.
Batman on the other hand, has ranged weapons galore for this fight. Batarangs, explosives, grappling hooks, the kitchen sink, etc... Batman had a pretty clear advantage here and I feel confident in giving him the edge.
Round 3: Physicals - EDGE: CAPTAIN AMERICA
Description of ROUND 3 is within the spoiler block.
I think this round came as no surprise. Everyone who posted on this category gave it to Captain America. Some posts do make a case that while Cap is the superior specimen when it comes to shear physicals, Batman is not too far behind. Either way, this Edge goes to Cap.
Round 4: Fighting Skills - EDGE: BATMAN
Description of ROUND 4 is within the spoiler block.
Both Batman and Cap are two of the top martial artists in their respective universes. Both are able to fight and even beat opponents who outclass them with superhuman physicals and other various super powers because of their expertise in hand to hand combat.
Batman took the edge here. He has mastered every form of martial arts on Earth. There is hardly any maneuver an opponent can use on Batman that he doesn't know how to counter. Batman is deserving of this edge, but Cap is really not that far behind.
Cap may not know as many styles of martial arts as Batman, but the ones he does know get the job done. Sometimes it's quality over quantity when it comes to a hand to hand fight, which is why Cap had some supporters in this category. Those posts were definitely not ignored. The only problem here is that Batman isn't just capable of using over a hundred styles, he uses them all at a high level of expertise.
Round 5: X-Factor EDGE: both CAPTAIN AMERICA and BATMAN
Description of ROUND 5 is within the spoiler block.
I was going to simply give this a PUSH, but after re-reading everyone's posts, both characters really deserve an EDGE here and it's not necessarily a PUSH.
The most argued X-Factor for Cap was his issues with killing. Cap is much more willing to kill then Batman who has a no kill rule. If this fight comes down to a kill or be killed situation and an incapacitation just isn't working for either Cap or Batman, then Cap may have a pretty nice advantage in his willingness to kill Batman. Batman would not resort to a method like this.
Batman has an edge here because of his intelligence and detective abilities. Batman is able to take in a situation and find the best way to own it. Captain America is capable of this as well, but Batman has done this on grander levels then Cap.
So both characters had some distinct advantages. There were some more X-Factors posted, and I suggest you take the time to read through the comments to soak it all in. Everyone involved in this thread did a great job debating for both Cap and Bat, and it's time for that spirit to carry on to the final battle!
WHO IS THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR?
We've broken down Cap and Batman pretty extensively, now it's time to put that knowledge to work! This is a 1 on 1 battle between Cap and Batman. Try not to debate in this like a normal Cap vs Batman thread, because there are enough of those already. Use the information from the previous rounds to strengthen your claims. Explain why the EDGES described above play a factor in why either Batman or Captain America will win or lose. Take all the small steps that built this thread and bring them all together as a whole.
This will be generic battle thread rules
- Standard equipment (as discussed in the first round)
- No prep, random encounter
- Morals are on, in character
- They have no knowledge of each other's abilities at the start of the fight
- Win by death, KO, incapacitation, or submission
- Fight takes place on a generic city street at night. Street lights are on. There is plenty of cover with parked cars. Start 30 yards apart in plain sight. The fight is not confined to this one street and can spread throughout a generic down town city area.