DCAU, MOS Supermen vs EMH, MCU Thors

@rudebomberboy01:

There is no way in hell that comet (in "Superman TAS: Season 2, EP 28: Little Lost Girl") weighed anything close to 10000 tons which he even struggled to move and half of it came off.

Plus going off estimates- Manhattan weighs roughly at least 2.3 million tons, so Thor affecting 1% of that weight will place him much higher than 10000 tons, and that's forgetting to factor in the HUGE land mass under the falling city which will increase the estimate exponentially.

Why wouldn't it be? It apparently was large enough and moving at enough speed to destroy the Earth. It also only split apart after Superman moved it away from Earth. He still made more of an impact to that than Thor did to that chunk of Manhattan.

That's a section of Manhattan, not the entire borough. The picture you provided even shows its only a section of Manhattan. The entire borough (including the rock underneath) weighs around 2.3 million tons. So in actuality the weight was way less than 2.3 million tons. There's still nothing to show Thor even really made any impact to its descent, and whatever impact he did make, doesn't put his strength beyond either Superman.

and MoS Superman has never lifted anything close to 10000 tons. His best lifting strength feat puts him at 200 tons tops(holding the spire of an Oil Rig) and the World Engine feat only places him around 20 tons tops because all he had to do was resist his own increased weight.

This is a pretty big misconception about this feat (that's explained a bit in the novel). Superman can jump pretty high and fly because he isn't affected by Earth's gravitational pull. So the fact that the World Engine had enough gravitational force to have Clark go from resisting Earth's gravity with no difficulty whatsoever, to barely being able to stand up from Krypton's gravity, shows a massive difference in weight resistance. Also noting that the field expanded and grew stronger (enough to flatten skyscrapers, turn steel, metal, rock etc, into powder, and vaporize humans) as time went on, meaning the longer Clark stayed under the beam the more force he felt. That would make the force he felt much greater than 20 tons. You can't exactly argue a guy who lifted 200 tons of weight suddenly can't handle 20 tons. The difference in gravity is ridiculous. Add to that Superman was weakened as well, its pretty much around the several thousand ton range.

He broke out of it(you actually see him breaking out). He'd have to if he needed to go from the bottom, to the top/side of it because he got buried and pushed into the gaping hole Graviton left when he took the city out of its place.

Your still not addressing the fact that he would of had to have some space to get out. He can't simply dig himself out of a weight that he clearly couldn't lift at all. He would have needed space to dig out, not to mention he shouldn't have been able to move at all (especially if his arms and legs are extended outward) if he was being crushed from such a weight. Mjornir can't do the work if its owner is too busy being crushed by a weight thats hopelessly beyond his strength limit. Your picture doesn't make sense either since if the city was put back into place where it was, there should not have been a wide enough space for Thor to fly out. Thor must have had some space to move once the city fell as far down as it could.

I was talking about durability and how Thor was able to survive a beating from the Frost Giants and Loki who are both actually quite strong.

Lifting feats don't equate to striking feats. You already know this. What striking feats do frost giants and Loki have that indicate that Thor "surviving" a beating from them shows better durability than either Superman?

Thor on the other hand was able to hold off Kang's cannon for a short while and redirect it, before getting knocked out.

Still put him in a coma for several days. Superman was still hit by the cannon. We also have actual evidence of that weapon destroying the city. No evidence Kang's weapon would have done the same. The Avenger's even just say Kang was targeting the city. Doesn't mean he would have destroyed the whole city in one blast.

Wow, but I guess that is just your opinion after all, I simply disagree with it. Thor doesn't need that massive lightning bolt to beat animated Superman, the guy has been knocked out so many times by electricity it's not even funny. And there really sin't anything MoS Superman could do to harm EMH Thor. Nothing.

And MCU(cinematic and comic(canon comics)) Thor still has better striking feats than the MoS Superman (both cinematic and novels combined), the novels which btw actually hilariously contradict what was shown in the official movie.

If you want to go down that route, I've got plenty of ridiculous feats from MCU comic Thor which contradict the official canon story(from comic book stories which came out before Marvel started doing tie-in canon comics, much like the MoS novel). We can exchange those feats, or we can just stick to canon and what makes sense.

I've already addressed that I think the Thors win due to animated Superman's weakness to lightning and magic. I've yet to see how neither Superman can't hurt animated Thor when both have displayed striking power superior to characters that have been able to hurt Thor. Present the striking feats that Thor has tanked that say he can't be harmed at all from the supermen. That Vision feat isn't enough. Both characters have inconsistent showings.

Kindly point out which canon comics MCU Thor has that shows greater striking power. Because i haven't seen any. People have shown the one where Thor fights Kurse and Malekith, which clearly isn't canon since it was made years before the movie and features the same characters in completely different stories, settings, and costumes. Comics not considered canon. Man of steel's novel was made with the original screenplay. You can argue the events in the book are slightly different, but the timeline the events took place in and the characters are all the same. Almost all of the dialogue is the same as well. Above everything else, its canon. MOS Clark with his novel feats has greater striking power than MCU Thor.

@monte-cristo:

Why wouldn't it be? It apparently was large enough and moving at enough speed to destroy the Earth. It also only split apart after Superman moved it away from Earth.

Due to speed, not how large the rock was, a rock half its size would still have the same effect. besides, it wouldn't have destroyed the Earth, but put it in a condition that would prove inhabitable for the organisms living on the planet. Darkseid explains this himself.

This is what a 1000 ton boulder looks like:

vs

The one Superman moved only looked about 40-50% bigger than that, even if you multiply the size by 3-5 times, it still wouldn't come any close to 10000 tons.

Again, Thor already has his casual 1000+ ton lifting strength feats:

He still made more of an impact to that than Thor did to that chunk of Manhattan.

This point would be valid, or made any sense..... if the rock Superman moved wasn't literally more than a billion times smaller than the one Thor successfully slowed its descent. That should put him well above 10000 tons(which is actually below Giant Man... like a lot).

That's a section of Manhattan, not the entire borough. The picture you provided even shows its only a section of Manhattan. The entire borough (including the rock underneath) weighs around 2.3 million tons. So in actuality the weight was way less than 2.3 million tons.

Fair enough, these are estimates after all.

There's still nothing to show Thor even really made any impact to its descent, and whatever impact he did make, doesn't put his strength beyond either Superman.

That is... if you ignore the simple explanation I have provided multiple times by now. For that land mass falling from that height into a gaping hole full of water(have you ever tried to stick your finger into a tight hole filled with water? The water violently splashes out from the sides of the hole) not creating enough force to so much as spill water over the coast line, Thor must have had to slow down its descent. How much he affected the weight is unknown but the fact that he can is enough to prove his physical superiority over the others.

The fact that you think MoS Superman has any strength feats close to 10000 tons is quite frankly(pardon me)... hysterical.

This is a pretty big misconception about this feat (that's explained a bit in the novel). Superman can jump pretty high and fly because he isn't affected by Earth's gravitational pull. So the fact that the World Engine had enough gravitational force to have Clark go from resisting Earth's gravity with no difficulty whatsoever, to barely being able to stand up from Krypton's gravity, shows a massive difference in weight resistance.

That doesn't mean he isn't affected by Earth's gravity, only that he can defy it. If he turns his powers off(i.e. stop flying or doing anything) he'd fall:

... because, well, Earth's gravity pulls him down. Or else how do you think he's able to sit down, ride in cars/elevators, stand on the ground? He DID defy the Kryptonian's gravity in the end did he not? So there goes your whole argument.

Also noting that the field expanded and grew stronger (enough to flatten skyscrapers, turn steel, metal, rock etc, into powder, and vaporize humans) as time went on, meaning the longer Clark stayed under the beam the more force he felt. That would make the force he felt much greater than 20 tons.

1. Sure the World Engine flattened skyscrapers, but did so gradually, with repeated pulses.

2. It never turned steel/metal/rock into dust, those got sucked into the singularity along with the other Kryptonians:

3. When did it vaporize humans? Apart from making them weightless before slamming them down again, I never saw this happen at any point, and I've seen this movie more times than I can count. It did make them trip over though.. *shrugs*

4. The field expanded, but there was no indication/mention of it getting stronger.

You can't exactly argue a guy who lifted 200 tons of weight suddenly can't handle 20 tons. The difference in gravity is ridiculous. Add to that Superman was weakened as well, its pretty much around the several thousand ton range.

Seriously, unless you can somehow prove how much the World Engine increased Clark's weight, I'm sticking with 20 tons based on my own observations.

Your still not addressing the fact that he would of had to have some space to get out. He can't simply dig himself out of a weight that he clearly couldn't lift at all. He would have needed space to dig out, not to mention he shouldn't have been able to move at all (especially if his arms and legs are extended outward) if he was being crushed from such a weight.

Dood. I don't know how else I can explain it to you, how hard is it to understand?

You literally SEE him getting crushed and breaking out in the video.

You are arguing against what is as clear as day. You believe there was space? Show me.

Mjornir can't do the work if its owner is too busy being crushed by a weight thats hopelessly beyond his strength limit. Your picture doesn't make sense either since if the city was put back into place where it was, there should not have been a wide enough space for Thor to fly out. Thor must have had some space to move once the city fell as far down as it could.

Dude, it's just rocks, all Mjolnir had to do was drill a hole through it until it reached the top. You believe my picture makes no sense, but it makes a whole lot more sense than what you're asserting.

Lifting feats don't equate to striking feats. You already know this. What striking feats do frost giants and Loki have that indicate that Thor "surviving" a beating from them shows better durability than either Superman?

Watch the video... again. Their strength and striking feats are littered throughout the video:

And Loki was punting Thor through multiple buildings to no effect.

Still put him in a coma for several days. Superman was still hit by the cannon. We also have actual evidence of that weapon destroying the city. No evidence Kang's weapon would have done the same. The Avenger's even just say Kang was targeting the city. Doesn't mean he would have destroyed the whole city in one blast.

So both cases are unquantifiable then because Superman barely touches the beam and I mean... he literally got knocked out from the device powering up, he doesn't get hit by the actual beam. Thor gets put into a coma by a blast of unknown capabilities.

Oh and please, it wasn't a make-a-city-go-boom "city buster" like you initially inclined. All it did was cause a massive earthquake:

I've already addressed that I think the Thors win due to animated Superman's weakness to lightning and magic. I've yet to see how neither Superman can't hurt animated Thor when both have displayed striking power superior to characters that have been able to hurt Thor.

Wait, MoS Superman can punch harder than EMH Hulk/Absorbing Man/Abomination/Red Hulk now? Because, you know, Thor tanked punches from all those guys, and at one time; took on some of them at the same time.

Present the striking feats that Thor has tanked that say he can't be harmed at all from the supermen.

Not "Supermen", just MoS Superman. He lacks what it takes to cause EMH Thor any harm. Hell, not even the animated Superman has what it takes to put Thor down.

That Vision feat isn't enough. Both characters have inconsistent showings.

You don't get to decide what is or what isn't enough. I can simply say the comet feat is inconsistent with every other feat from Superman. See how that works?

You saying it isn't is of no concern to me.

Kindly point out which canon comics MCU Thor has that shows greater striking power. Because i haven't seen any. People have shown the one where Thor fights Kurse and Malekith, which clearly isn't canon since it was made years before the movie and features the same characters in completely different stories, settings, and costumes.

It actually IS canon... with the universe, one could say it isn't canon with the official MCU story line, but it is a Marvel Earth- 199999 comic so yes, it is as canon as much as the MoS novel is "canon".

Comics not considered canon. Man of steel's novel was made with the original screenplay. You can argue the events in the book are slightly different, but the timeline the events took place in and the characters are all the same.

That... doesn't make it canon. It was written with the original screenplay, which changed.... multiple times before the final product came out. That should be the first clue for you.

Just the fact that the events differ so much from the official movie makes its credibility questionable. What is considered canon and what is not, when it hilariously contradicts the movie? Is the movie not canon? Do we agree with one scene and disregard the others? If we have to do that, then no, it is NOT canon.

Almost all of the dialogue is the same as well. Above everything else, its canon. MOS Clark with his novel feats has greater striking power than MCU Thor.

Prove it. Any official statements from Zack/WB/DC stating it is?

@rudebomberboy01:

Due to speed, not how large the rock was, a rock half its size would still have the same effect. besides, it wouldn't have destroyed the Earth, but put it in a condition that would prove inhabitable for the organisms living on the planet. Darkseid explains this himself.

I actually meant destroy all life on Earth. Not physically destroy the planet. Sorry for the confusion.

The one Superman moved only looked about 40-50% bigger than that, even if you multiply the size by 3-5 times, it still wouldn't come any close to 10000 tons.

So even by your estimate its around 5000 tons.

This point would be valid, or made any sense..... if the rock Superman moved wasn't literally more than a billion times smaller than the one Thor successfully slowed its descent. That should put him well above 10000 tons(which is actually below Giant Man... like a lot).

Not really. The chunk Thor moved wasn't even half of Manhattan, which is around 2.3 million tons. So even if we say it was around 300,000 tons and say Thor successfully made an impact to around 2% of the weight, that's about 6000 tons. Not really so beyond either Superman.

That is... if you ignore the simple explanation I have provided multiple times by now. For that land mass falling from that height into a gaping hole full of water(have you ever tried to stick your finger into a tight hole filled with water? The water violently splashes out from the sides of the hole) not creating enough force to so much as spill water over the coast line, Thor must have had to slow down its descent. How much he affected the weight is unknown but the fact that he can is enough to prove his physical superiority over the others.

The fact that you think MoS Superman has any strength feats close to 10000 tons is quite frankly(pardon me)... hysterical.

If you also stick your finger in the hole slowly the water slowly rises. The chunk of mass wasn't falling at any considerable speed, as clearly shown in the video (it also isn't that high). We know that he had very little effect on its descent, and estimating the weight of it, its pretty easy to determine the amount of weight he affected isn't beyond animated Superman or even MOS Superman.

That doesn't mean he isn't affected by Earth's gravity, only that he can defy it. If he turns his powers off(i.e. stop flying or doing anything) he'd fall:

Hovering and flying without any propulsion shows that Earth's gravity has little to no effect on him. The fact that he can defy it shows that. Just as you said, only if he can't control his powers or turns them off, then he is affected. Essentially he allows it to affect him. He only defied Krypton's gravity through his strength. The fact that Earth's gravity was, as the novel put it "light as air" to him and Krypton's ever increasing gravity made him struggle to just stand up, speaks volumes of the difference in force he had to overcome. Especially since he was weakened from it as well.

Seriously, unless you can somehow prove how much the World Engine increased Clark's weight, I'm sticking with 20 tons based on my own observations.

Obviously I can't quantify exactly how much it increased his weight (like some lifting feats), but I have explained by what degree it did in comparison to the damage it did and Clark under normal circumstances. But you posting a GIF and not actually addressing my now underlined statement is basically you saying " I'm just gonna ignore that since I can't come up with an answer to it"

1. Sure the World Engine flattened skyscrapers, but did so gradually, with repeated pulses.

2. It never turned steel/metal/rock into dust, those got sucked into the singularity along with the other Kryptonians:

Superman endured repeated pulses. And he did so after the world engine was already flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the world. Plus the very first pulse caused skyscrapers to collapse. Wasn't very long to flatten them.

To powder. Yes it did. The singularity was mostly pulling debris from other buildings that were still standing. Much of the area under the Black Zero was just Earth and powder. As shown towards the end. The novel explains that materials were being condensed into powder.

3. When did it vaporize humans? Apart from making them weightless before slamming them down again, I never saw this happen at any point, and I've seen this movie more times than I can count. It did make them trip over though.. *shrugs*

4. The field expanded, but there was no indication/mention of it getting stronger

The novel explains that humans were being vaporized. If you look at the scene, some people you see just sort of disappear right before you see people tripping and falling. I guess the movie didn't wanna show people getting vaporized lol.

The machine was slowly increasing Earth's mass, and for it to expand the epicenter needed to increase its force. So yes it was becoming stronger. Also elaborated a bit in the novel.

So both cases are unquantifiable then because Superman barely touches the beam and I mean... he literally got knocked out from the device powering up, he doesn't get hit by the actual beam. Thor gets put into a coma by a blast of unknown capabilities.

Oh and please, it wasn't a make-a-city-go-boom "city buster" like you initially inclined. All it did was cause a massive earthquake:

Still destroyed a large section of the city. The weapon is also regarded as having the power of a small scale nuke. Still basically a city buster. Doesn't actually have to destroy each building in the entire city. But i agree that both can be considered unquantifiable.

Wait, MoS Superman can punch harder than EMH Hulk/Absorbing Man/Abomination/Red Hulk now? Because, you know, Thor tanked punches from all those guys, and at one time; took on some of them at the same time.

I'm still waiting on actual feats to show these characters can hit harder than Superman.

You don't get to decide what is or what isn't enough. I can simply say the comet feat is inconsistent with every other feat from Superman. See how that works?

You saying it isn't is of no concern to me.

I can when you tout this one feat as a testament to Thor's durability when he's been KOed from Wonder man, injured from amped Loki, overpowered by Ultron physically, overpowered and defeated by Ultron's Avenger robots, KOed from the aftershock of the nega bomb going off, which was not only hundreds of miles away from Thor, the explosion was much smaller than the moon, and a few more moments I can elaborate on. This one feat is not a conclusive factor on Thor's durability.

It actually IS canon... with the universe, one could say it isn't canon with the official MCU story line, but it is a Marvel Earth- 199999 comic so yes, it is as canon as much as the MoS novel is "canon".

Which means absolutely nothing pertaining to these characters.

That... doesn't make it canon. It was written with the original screenplay, which changed.... multiple times before the final product came out. That should be the first clue for you.

Just the fact that the events differ so much from the official movie makes its credibility questionable. What is considered canon and what is not, when it hilariously contradicts the movie? Is the movie not canon? Do we agree with one scene and disregard the others? If we have to do that, then no, it is NOT canon.

That absolutely makes it canon. 99% of the original screenplay is still there. The same events, characters, abilities, settings, even the timeline of events is the same. That is the difference between this and a comic written years before a movie with absolutely no correlation to said movie. It does not "hilariously" contradict the movie. Only certain fight sequences have added fighting and certain scenes have a bit more dialogue. The novel also establishes more context for scenes in the move. It was written with the original screenplay but released days after the movie as an official adaptation of it. It is canon.

Prove it. Any official statements from Zack/WB/DC stating it is?

The fact that its called an "official novelization and adaptation of the movie Man of Steel" that was released by Warner Bros should be proof enough.

I think the Thor's do win handily. Mainly due to animated Clark's strong weakness to electricity and magic. But so far I haven't seen anything from you to show Thor has the feats to say he can solo. I stated why his strength isn't so beyond theirs. I haven't seen any major striking feats from him that are beyond the Supermen or even equal to them for that matter. And besides the one vision feat, I dont see anything to say he can't be harmed at all from either Superman.

@monte-cristo:

So even by your estimate its around 5000 tons.

Which is... still nothing close to 10000 tons.

Not really. The chunk Thor moved wasn't even half of Manhattan, which is around 2.3 million tons. So even if we say it was around 300,000 tons and say Thor successfully made an impact to around 2% of the weight, that's about 6000 tons. Not really so beyond either Superman.

As I said before - we're working with (gu)estimates here, and the 2.3 million ton estimate is actually incorrect.

To put things in perspective; these:

Cargo Ships(you know, the same type Giant Man benched and threw)

Can weigh between approximately 100-700 thousand tons depending on how empty/full they are. 3-20 of those would apparently weigh as much as the entirety of Manhattan based on your (1 million ton) estimate, along with the link I provided. You can sort of see the problem with that, right? I mean, mountain weights are in the hundreds of billion tons category. And this:

Can more than qualify as a mountain(it makes multiple tall skyscrapers look like tiny dots for crying out loud). Again, Thor affecting that amount of weight in any kind of way(which he did) is above everything any other character in this thread has done.

And no, MoS Superman doesn't have any strength feats that places him anywhere near 6000/10000 tons, unless you can prove me wrong.

If you also stick your finger in the hole slowly the water slowly rises. The chunk of mass wasn't falling at any considerable speed, as clearly shown in the video (it also isn't that high).

I've already addressed this, it only looks slow because it's HUGE, kinda like how people are able to perceive and track jets moving at sonic speeds, yet lose sight of a house fly moving at 7MPH.

It doesn't matter how high it was when all it's doing is free falling, and with buoyancy having little to no effect on the object underwater due to how large its weight/mass is, it won't simply slow down but keep accelerating until it reaches underwater terminal velocity(I could be hilariously wrong on this, so I don't mind anyone correcting me).

We know that he had very little effect on its descent, and estimating the weight of it, its pretty easy to determine the amount of weight he affected isn't beyond animated Superman or even MOS Superman.

It's the opposite actually. I can't take the second underlined part seriously.

Hovering and flying without any propulsion shows that Earth's gravity has little to no effect on him. The fact that he can defy it shows that. Just as you said, only if he can't control his powers or turns them off, then he is affected. Essentially he allows it to affect him. He only defied Krypton's gravity through his strength. The fact that Earth's gravity was, as the novel put it "light as air" to him and Krypton's ever increasing gravity made him struggle to just stand up, speaks volumes of the difference in force he had to overcome. Especially since he was weakened from it as well.

Fair enough on this.

Obviously I can't quantify exactly how much it increased his weight (like some lifting feats), but I have explained by what degree it did in comparison to the damage it did and Clark under normal circumstances. But you posting a GIF and not actually addressing my now underlined statement is basically you saying " I'm just gonna ignore that since I can't come up with an answer to it"

The GIF was a "mind = blown" meme. I'm surprised you didn't catch how I underlined two statements explaining or rather addressing your conspiracy.

You said, and I quote: "You can't exactly argue a guy who lifted 200 tons of weight suddenly can't handle 20 tons. " later on, literally in the same paragraph with not too many words apart, you went on to say "Superman was weakened as well"... You don't see the mind = blown GIF fitting perfectly for this situation? No?.. Okay

:(

Superman endured repeated pulses. And he did so after the world engine was already flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the world. Plus the very first pulse caused skyscrapers to collapse. Wasn't very long to flatten them.

Fair enough on this.

To powder. Yes it did. The singularity was mostly pulling debris from other buildings that were still standing. Much of the area under the Black Zero was just Earth and powder. As shown towards the end. The novel explains that materials were being condensed into powder.

You and I must be seeing exactly two different things. I can't say the same for Greg though.

The novel explains that humans were being vaporized. If you look at the scene, some people you see just sort of disappear right before you see people tripping and falling. I guess the movie didn't wanna show people getting vaporized lol.

I'm not taking the novel's word for it lol, but it's not hard to believe so fair enough on this point.

The machine was slowly increasing Earth's mass, and for it to expand the epicenter needed to increase its force. So yes it was becoming stronger. Also elaborated a bit in the novel.

Okilidokili.

I'm still waiting on actual feats to show these characters can hit harder than Superman.

Wait what.... MoS Superman can punch/throw people across cities/into orbit now? Or break force fields as powerful as Graviton's?

I can when you tout this one feat as a testament to Thor's durability when he's been KOed from Wonder man

You mean the time he got ambushed by Dynamo, Enchantress, Executioner, Abomination AND Wonder Man(the guy capable of physically overpowering Giant Man), who knocked him out with an unquantifiable amount of energy blast.... Really?

injured from amped Loki

Loki with the Odin Force -___- huh. This is a bad showing how?

overpowered by Ultron physically

Yeah, this is not the MCU Ultron, plus I don't remember this happening.

overpowered and defeated by Ultron's Avenger robots

Where he was holding back and refused to attack, right? He got "overpowered" by prolonged/combined energy beams which still didn't knock him out.

KOed from the aftershock of the nega bomb going off, which was not only hundreds of miles away from Thor, the explosion was much smaller than the moon, and a few more moments I can elaborate on.

Except this never happened. The bomb went off and the shock wave blew Thor back, that was it. The bomb was said to be powerful enough to obliterate a planet as big as Earth, so no, it wasn't a "small explosion."

This one feat is not a conclusive factor on Thor's durability.

You have yet to prove why it's not when your other examples claiming to be "contradictions" are out of context.

Which means absolutely nothing pertaining to these characters.

You do know what Marvel Earth- 199999 is right... right?

That absolutely makes it canon. 99% of the original screenplay is still there. The same events, characters, abilities, settings, even the timeline of events is the same. That is the difference between this and a comic written years before a movie with absolutely no correlation to said movie.

Nope, that doesn't make it canon, unless Zack/WB/DC explicitly states it to be canon, much like how Del Rey did for Star Wars. Novelizations are NOT canon, unless it's a tie-in, and the only official TIE-IN DC has announced/released for the movie is the prequel comic which makes a whole lot more sense than the novel:

http://dccomicsextendeduniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Man_of_Steel_Prequel

The novel was written based on material which got modified/changed multiple times before the final product came out.

It does not "hilariously" contradict the movie. Only certain fight sequences have added fighting and certain scenes have a bit more dialogue. The novel also establishes more context for scenes in the move. It was written with the original screenplay but released days after the movie as an official adaptation of it. It is canon.

That doesn't make it canon. When you get scenes from the novel describing how Faora took multiple missiles before getting knocked out when in actuality it only took one.

Plus others like:

The fact that we have to choose what to disregard and what to believe as gospel truth makes the novel questionable as a source.

The fact that its called an "official novelization and adaptation of the movie Man of Steel" that was released by Warner Bros should be proof enough.

Yes, and novelizations of movies are mostly always non canon. It being official only means it was published officially by DC, you know, just like how Marvel published the early MCU comics..? *shrugs*

I think the Thor's do win handily. Mainly due to animated Clark's strong weakness to electricity and magic. But so far I haven't seen anything from you to show Thor has the feats to say he can solo.

Again it's opinion based, I believe EMH Thor would manhandle everyone here, you believe otherwise, no troubles.

I stated why his strength isn't so beyond theirs.

Yeah - by saying MoS Superman has strength feats close to the 10000 ton range, which is beyond false. Animated Superman's strength feats are still questionable.

I haven't seen any major striking feats from him that are beyond the Supermen or even equal to them for that matter.

Wow. When MoS Superman or animated Superman for that matter can one-shot multiple opponents as powerful/durable as the Kree Sentries, call me.

You keep saying you haven't seen anything from Thor do this or Thor do that, but you have yet to post a single feat from either Supermen demonstrating... anything.

And besides the one vision feat, I dont see anything to say he can't be harmed at all from either Superman.

Well, hmm, let's see; not only did EMH Thor tank a thrashing from the Frost Giants who were strong enough to smash skyscraper tall towers in half, throw giant boulders and entire skyscrapers(at Thor), he overpowered them, tanked a beating from Loki/an enraged Hulk/Abomination/Red Hulk/Uru Absorbing Man/survived a massive piece of Manhattan falling atop of him and survived a 500 ton drop kick from orbit..

I dunno man, but I'm still sticking with my original statement with EMH Thor soloing this thread.

MCU Thor is a totally useless pretty boy. The Supermen take this.

@rudebomberboy01:

Can more than qualify as a mountain(it makes multiple tall skyscrapers look like tiny dots for crying out loud). Again, Thor affecting that amount of weight in any kind of way(which he did) is above everything any other character in this thread has done.

And no, MoS Superman doesn't have any strength feats that places him anywhere near 6000/10000 tons, unless you can prove me wrong.

I can understand how the weight estimate can be considered inaccurate. But that number is also taking into account all of the people and objects that inhabit the entirety of Manhattan. We also have to consider that materials have different amounts of mass and weight, especially since most of the chunk is rock. I'm not saying this isn't a good feat at all for Thor, and it can be used to argue Thor is stronger, I just think it doesn't indicate Thor is that much stronger than both Supermen combined. We can't accurately determine the weight of the object or how much of an impact to it Thor made during its descent.

The GIF was a "mind = blown" meme. I'm surprised you didn't catch how I underlined two statements explaining or rather addressing your conspiracy.

You said, and I quote: "You can't exactly argue a guy who lifted 200 tons of weight suddenly can't handle 20 tons. " later on, literally in the same paragraph with not too many words apart, you went on to say "Superman was weakened as well"... You don't see the mind = blown GIF fitting perfectly for this situation? No?.. Okay

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The difference is you can actually see the effects of the kind of force Clark had to deal with on other objects to indicate it was more than a simple 20 ton feat. The fact that it was flattening hundreds of tons of skyscrapers and turning them into powder and splitting an ocean apart before he even arrived, and became stronger as time went on, shows it was already in the several thousand ton area if not more. Clark was then weakened when he arrived and had to endure gravity pulses that made him struggle just to stand up.

Wait what.... MoS Superman can punch/throw people across cities/into orbit now? Or break force fields as powerful as Graviton's?

From the novel, yes.

You mean the time he got ambushed by Dynamo, Enchantress, Executioner, Abomination AND Wonder Man(the guy capable of physically overpowering Giant Man), who knocked him out with an unquantifiable amount of energy blast.... Really?

Its not like they all ganged up on him and beat him down. He even fought back well. It's the fact that he was held by Abomination and hit with one energy blast from Wonder Man which knocked him out that makes it unimpressive. Especially since Iron Man and Giant Man endured the same attacks consistently without being KOed. Not really unquantifiable when we've seen other characters hit with the same thing multiple times and still fared better than Thor.

Loki with the Odin Force -___- huh. This is a bad showing how?

I never understand why people think something having some fancy title automatically means it's powerful. What did the Odin Force give Loki that was so impressive? What feats does an Odin Force empowered character have that makes their attacks so ludicrously powerful? He blasted Thor with an attack that sent him maybe through 1 or 2 buildings ( and these were not like skyscraper wide buildings anyway). What is so wonderful about that?

Yeah, this is not the MCU Ultron, plus I don't remember this happening.

I take it you have never really watched the show then, since this is practically Ultron's first appearance. He fights Thor and grapples him around the neck, choking him. Thor couldn't break free and only escaped from it when Ultron was shut down. Thor even falls down and breathes heavily from it.

Where he was holding back and refused to attack, right? He got "overpowered" by prolonged/combined energy beams which still didn't knock him out.

Combined energy beams from a robotic version of Wasp and Iron Man...the same robotic versions their real life counterparts defeated. Doesn't matter if Thor was holding back. Holding back doesn't just dramatically lower his durability. And he was KOed, by a mjornir throw from his own robotic counterpart. The clone even drags Thor's limp body to Ultron saying "The Asgardian has been subdued"

Except this never happened. The bomb went off and the shock wave blew Thor back, that was it. The bomb was said to be powerful enough to obliterate a planet as big as Earth, so no, it wasn't a "small explosion

It did happen. At the very end of the episode Thor says to Hulk "You know you didn't have to catch me, I would have woken before I hit the Earth" stating that he was KOed. The explosion was behind the moon, thousands of miles away and it still KOed him. And really, an explosion powerful enough to obliterate the Earth is several times smaller than the Moon? You can even see the comparison between the explosion and the Moon since it happens right next to it in the episode. Doesn't exactly look like it would have obliterated the Earth.

You do know what Marvel Earth- 199999 is right... right?

Yes, and it still doesn't mean anything to MCU Thor pertaining to those comics since they aren't considered as tie ins to the Cinematic Universe. They were made before Marvel implemented the idea of tie in comics. They completely contradict Thor 2 and were made years before with the same characters in a completely different story. Again, completely irrelevant.

Nope, that doesn't make it canon, unless Zack/WB/DC explicitly states it to be canon, much like how Del Rey did for Star Wars. Novelizations are NOT canon, unless it's a tie-in, and the only official TIE-IN DC has announced/released for the movie is the prequel comic which makes a whole lot more sense than the novel:

It does. The difference is the fact that the whole purpose of a Tie in comic is that it shows events and characters not shown in the movie. Essentially stories that are not shown in the movie, but did happen around the events of the movie and are considered canon. Its why novels are not really called Tie ins because they are usually an adaptation of the actual movie. The Del Rey example is flawed because they already explained that the only parts of the novels that are canon are those that are not contradictory to the movie trilogies, basically stating openly their not really canon.

The novel was written based on material which got modified/changed multiple times before the final product came out.

So were the comic adaptations of the Marvel movies. Yet they are still considered canon. Plus the novel was still being written during mid production of the movie, not before all of the changes during production and post production.

That doesn't make it canon. When you get scenes from the novel describing how Faora took multiple missiles before getting knocked out when in actuality it only took one.

Plus others like:

The fact that we have to choose what to disregard and what to believe as gospel truth makes the novel questionable as a source.

Not really a big difference since the emphasis of it was that the missiles couldn't really hurt her, the sensory overload was what caused her to pass out. Physically her body suffered no injuries from the missiles. Both the novel ("her hair wasn't even singed") and movie show this.

Not sure why those paragraphs demonstrate anything contradictory. It's not like the movie needed to show all of the damage away from their clashes when the camera is focused on them. You do see Zod fly away from Superman and crash through buildings to surprise attack him. He could have caused that damage. We simply didn't see all of the damage they caused. As said before, the novel establishes context for certain scenes a bit more.

Yes, and novelizations of movies are mostly always non canon. It being official only means it was published officially by DC, you know, just like how Marvel published the early MCU comics..? *shrugs*

I'd like a few examples concerning that first sentence. The difference here is that those Marvel comics published before the movies became connected are now not considered tie ins to the cinematic universe. Which is why many of them are horribly contradictory and use the same characters for different stories than the actual movies. Which is why the comic adaptations of Marvel movies that also show events in the movie a bit differently are still canon. Their really isn't any evidence the MOS novel isn't canon.

Yeah - by saying MoS Superman has strength feats close to the 10000 ton range, which is beyond false. Animated Superman's strength feats are still questionable.

I think my argument with the world engine says he does. Animated Superman has quite a few lifting feats like the comet feat and throwing Kalibak from the center of metropolis all the way outside the city miles away to say he isn't so far away from Thor physically.

You keep saying you haven't seen anything from Thor do this or Thor do that, but you have yet to post a single feat from either Supermen demonstrating... anything

You know the feats of MOS Clark. I'll post some videos if you like of animated Superman. But the ones i can recall for him are:

• The force of his punch against Captain Marvel shattered windows all around and caused several buildings to collapse
• Punched Darkseid hard enough to shake the entire Watchtower. Batman remarked Clark had to be stopped before he knocked the whole Watchtower out of orbit.
• Punched Ten hard enough that he flew high enough straight in the air that Superman could disarm a bomb before Ten could fall back down
• Punched Ten again through several buildings to which Ten remarks later that Superman punched him "across the city"
• Punched Darkseid hard enough to send him flying across the city even as he crashed through several buildings.
• Was perfectly fine after crashing through several buildings and having them collapse on him.
• Defeated Doomsday who was able to defeat the entire Justice League from another dimension (who have feats of their own)
• Shaking the entire city with his punches after Darkseid killed Dan Turpin.
• One shotted Kalibak who overpowered and defeated Wonder Woman
• Severely injuring Mongul and almost beating him before being distracted. Mongul has defeated Wonder Woman and other league members before.

Those are some of his feats i can remember now.

As i said, the Thor's win through lightning and magic against animated Superman, and i wouldn't totally disagree with the argument that Thor is stronger. But strong enough to solo? I don't think there's enough evidence of that. Not with the feats presented from the Supermen. I haven't even really addressed animated Clark's speed feats. Or the fact that both Supermen are bloodlusted and cartoon Superman will hit Thor as hard as he hit Darkseid when not holding back while using his speed as well. Or the fact that MOS Superman was exhausted and wasn't even fully recharged when he fought Zod. I haven't seen you show any actual mjornir striking feats from Thor as well. Animated Thor doesn't solo in my opinion.

After thinking about this some more, I think EMH Thor could solo. He's far stronger than the Supermen, he hits way harder than the Supermen, and he's more durable than the Supermen. Heck given his showings DCCU Clark is pretty much a non factor to EMH Thor.

@monte-cristo:

Wow, that's a lot. Okay, I'll have to put this on hold for now due to some personal stuff coming up + limited time. I'll resume next week if that's fine by you.

@azrael1973: He's easily a match for MOS Clark.

And by the way, the "totally useless pretty boy" matched Hulk's strength, the same Hulk that can do this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qq6dQwLh1s

Not to mention tanking Hulk, Kurse and Iron Man's best shots. Oh, and he also survived 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EMH Thor solos

@rudebomberboy01: it's all good in the neighborhood. Reply when you can and if you want.

Glad this got some good discussion, anyone else?

@monte-cristo:

Mos official canon novel states krypt weapons are plasma based. Lightening wont really hirt them.sup baby ship wasnt even damaged from it as well.

Bump. Forgot about Superman's feats from Batman Beyond, I suppose they would count

Found this one, not sure what other good ones there might be

EMH Thor solos, especially second season.

supermen ftw

mcu thor is a non factor.

Bump, any new thoughts?

Still the Thors, man EMH Thor was such a beast. Why did the show have to be canceled?

EMH Thor solos

EMH Thor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DCEU Doomsday, Clark, Diana, Zod, Faora, etc,

EMH Thor>>>DCAU Clark