DCAU and EMH Forceswap (First fights)

Well Graviton wasnt as impressive as one would like, and the only reason he lost was he got bit by an ant, trolololol, but i totally didnt write the script of that episode.

And Avengers have a nano-expert in the form of Ant-man. And if people are worried about the alien army they can created , well they have Hulk :p (but Thor soloed an entire army of Kree Empire).

Both of them will win, i think Justice League might win easier .

@Lord_Johnathan: Thor and Flash, Thor because he pwned the Kree Army, Flash because he beat Braniac Lex when the whole League failed, he blitz the hell out of him.

Avengers win but the JL loses.

@Lord_Johnathan: Sorry about that. My reasons are that nobody on the League has shown enough strength to overcome Gravitron (he was strong enough to lift an island.) Flash does have the Speed Force trick BUT Gravitron has the ability to make Flash so heavy, he'll not be able to get up to speed. I also haven't seen anyone on the League with the same energy out-put that Thor showed.

@80sBaby: LOL are you kidding me? Avengers have a way better chance of losing here.

DCAU is a team made of gods. Superman could punch Graviton so hard, his head would be knocked off his body. And that's speed blitzing. Shown in the Avengers vs Graviton fight, none of them had any major speed. They'll handle graviton in 2 seconds, literally, because Flash will rip Graviton's brains.

Avengers depend on Antman in this battle but I don't think he's as smart as the Atom nor is he as mentally stable (In Ultimatum, he holds his dead gf's destroyed body in his arms, convinced she's alive). Lets say Antman succeeds in the long run, whats to stop the blackheart from killing Captain America and the Wasp. The blackheart has major firepower and neither Captain America nor the wasp can really stop it. CLint would likely survive due to him being ranged.

They'll both win but Avengers will take significantly longer.

@renobjc: Yes, I'm very serious. First of all, Superman rarely, if ever, uses his speed. It took him how many seasons to go "All-out" on Darkseid. he's not blitzing anyone off the bat. Superman also lacks any strength feats that put him the level to tank Gravitron's strongest blows. Hell, Ant-Man has a higher strength feat than anything Superman has shown. Speaking of Ant-man, why are you brining up the Ultimate comic-verse? This is about the animated characters. And the JL didn't have Atom when they beat the aliens. I'm sure that between Iroman and Ant-man, the Avengers would come up with a winning strategy. As far as Flash, he was routinely hit and was pretty ineffective in using his speed. The best showing he had was vs. Braniac/Luthor and I already explained why that same trick won't work with Gravitron. And I'd give Captain America, Wasp or Hawkeye the same chances of survival I'd give to Batman.

Both teams should be able to defeat their opponents, tho going off of Thor owning the Kree the Avengers shouldn't have that much of problem. Graviton does present a good challenge to this roster of the Justice League but per op "CIS" is present so they'll eventually win....The bad guy has to lose after all -__-

@80sBaby: Superman punched darkseid so hard, he shook metropolis. Granted his speed isnt very impressive in DCU but he's still regarded as extremely fast, able to get to different places in really quick time as well as the episode where he matches Flash in speed (they race). Flash can push his molecules through anything, therefore, can just drill Graviton's brains out. His fight speed was displayed against Brainiac/Luthor who took down DCAU. Don't forget that the armour was attached to Luthor on a molecular level.

Batman has a significant technology advantage over Wasp and Captain America. Wasp might be able to escape but Captain America can't fly or move fast. Batman has shown that he can handle multiple opponents at once multiple times in DCAU. He also has the plethora of weapons/gadgets in his multitude of a utility belt.

I agree that Ironman and Antman will figure something out but don't forget that Superman and Flash are both at a Genius level intellect.

Flash will be too quick for Graviton to be able to effect him, i think. He was able to travel the world in less than 2 seconds.

But how did Ironman and Antman survive if he had that kinda strength? Because he didn't utilize it correctly and because it's in his suit. Ironman, Antman, and Wasp hit Gravitron so many times during the fight. The only problem is that none of them had the kind of fire power that Hulk has.

I'd like to reiterate that DCAU has strength feats beyond anything that Avengers are capable off except for Hulk and Thor.

Let's assume that Flash won't instantly kill/disable Gravitron. Hawk Girl's Nth metal mace will rip Gravitron's suit off him which will only take one hit versus Ironman's, Antman's, Wasp's multiple hits. Wonderwoman and Green Lantern can easily pull the suit off him.

What I'm saying is that making the inference that DCAU can't stop Graviton is ridiculous. They will both win, just DCAU with ease.

@renojbc: Stop exaggerating. Superman never "shook Metropolis." The shockwave from his punching Darkseid affected the area they were in. Nothing was stated as to how widespread it was. Ant-man lifted an oil tanker and threw it while Superman struggled to lift a commercial vehicle. Flash was NEVER shown to be that effective in the DCAU. His win over Brainiac/Luthor isn't valid since Gravitron has ways to counter it that Brainthor didn't. Also, Flash was tagged by far too many opponents to claim he's too fast for Gravitron. Especially when Flash can't even see the attack coming. Batman's tech has nothing to do with his durability, which is what we were arguing. Bruce wasn't shown as anymore effective than Cap despite having more gadgets. And Gravitron was easily holding all of the Avengers down until Hulk interfered. Hulk overpowered him and nobody on the JL has shown the same strength range as Hulk. But please, list the strength feats from Wonder Woman, Flash and MM that are so far above Ms. Marvel, Ant-man or IM. And Hawkgirl's not doing anything unless the Justice league has someone who can overpower Gravitron like Hulk did. But, they don't.

Season 1 of Justice League made Superman look absolutely pathetic.

I say EMH wins and DCAU STRUGGLES but can pull off a win.

@BlackWind said:

Season 1 of Justice League made Superman look absolutely pathetic.

@cattlebattle said:

@80sBaby said:

@Lord_Johnathan: Sorry about that. My reasons are that nobody on the League has shown enough strength to overcome Gravitron (he was strong enough to lift an island.) Flash does have the Speed Force trick BUT Gravitron has the ability to make Flash so heavy, he'll not be able to get up to speed. I also haven't seen anyone on the League with the same energy out-put that Thor showed.

Martian Manhunter could just phase and take Graviton out in seconds.

MM would need to become tangible to affect Gravitron, though, making him vulnerable.