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#1 Posted by eliasw123 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Who Would Win And why all characters is with All from Superman To One Above all Plz Reply

#2 Edited by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel ftw. Mostly because I'm biased and like them better lol. 2ndly due to TOAA. 3rdly due to conceptual beings and other varied high powered beings such as Fulcrum, LT, Nemesis, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, Death, Love, Hate, Order, Chaos, Eon/Epoch, Inbetweener, Abraxas, Galactus, Celestials, Infinites, Shuma Gorath, Vishanti, Octessence, The Stranger, Sise Neg, Primordial Gods, Watchers, Cython, Demigorge ect ect ect! Also artifacts and weapons such as Infinity Gems, Cosmic Cubes, HOTU, Ultimate Nullfier ect ect ect.

#3 Posted by torzone (409 posts) - - Show Bio

DC they have more heavy hitters, although Marvel does too, DC is over-the-top powerful. Marvel's only chance of winning is by using the multiple entities in their universe such as Galactus, Silver Surfer, Phoenix Force, & TOAA...

#4 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a stalemate: TOAA = The Presence. The rest doesn't matter.

#5 Posted by Delta1938 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@First_Last: @torzone: DC has Entities too. Just because they're not shown as much doesn't mean they don't exist. Mxy alone is at least Universal level. When Joker had 99% of his power, he reformed reality through-out the entire universe, and effected other dimensions IIRC, maybe even without meaning to(will have to check). And there's numerous others from the 5th dimension. And that's just them.

#6 Posted by torzone (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delta1938: I know DC does but Marvel Entities are somewhat stronger and are seen more often. White Phoenix of the Crown, for instance, can manipulate time streams. In a fight against DC, Marvel's only chance of survival is via their Cosmic's...All DC's Earth-Bound Heroes and villains will slaughter Marvels. Lobo, Superman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Flash & Zoom will get tons of kills. And as for fighters Cassandra Cain, Batman, & Karate Kid will handle them.

#7 Edited by First_Last (403 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

It's a stalemate: TOAA = The Presence. The rest doesn't matter.

Not at all. The Presence is not equals with TOAA that's a common misconception.

#8 Posted by terry2012 (5093 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: This

#9 Posted by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

Who ever the fans say wins.

#10 Posted by clemj (817 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA solos... or eternity

#11 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

What....what am I even reading?

#12 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20157 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

Online
#13 Posted by Delta1938 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@torzone said:

@Delta1938: I know DC does but Marvel Entities are somewhat stronger and are seen more often. White Phoenix of the Crown, for instance, can manipulate time streams. In a fight against DC, Marvel's only chance of survival is via their Cosmic's...All DC's Earth-Bound Heroes and villains will slaughter Marvels. Lobo, Superman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Flash & Zoom will get tons of kills. And as for fighters Cassandra Cain, Batman, & Karate Kid will handle them.

Marvel's Entities are stronger because....?

Look at what Emperor Joker did. And he didn't QUITE have all of Mxy's power, and didn't have Mxy's knowledge/experience. And there's more than just Mxy in the 5th dimension.

#14 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33066 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok I challenge anybody here to provide three credible feats from ether The Presence or TOAA to justify using them in this battle 

#15 Posted by torzone (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delta1938 said:

@torzone said:

@Delta1938: I know DC does but Marvel Entities are somewhat stronger and are seen more often. White Phoenix of the Crown, for instance, can manipulate time streams. In a fight against DC, Marvel's only chance of survival is via their Cosmic's...All DC's Earth-Bound Heroes and villains will slaughter Marvels. Lobo, Superman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Flash & Zoom will get tons of kills. And as for fighters Cassandra Cain, Batman, & Karate Kid will handle them.

Marvel's Entities are stronger because....?

Look at what Emperor Joker did. And he didn't QUITE have all of Mxy's power, and didn't have Mxy's knowledge/experience. And there's more than just Mxy in the 5th dimension.

They have waaaaaay more feats, Living Tribal, TOAA, Phoenix, Galactus, Eternity, & Odin are the best

#16 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

mxy gets his power from a dimension,beyonder is more powerful because its the entire multiverse.marvel has hundreds of entities and gods.Im not saying dc doesn't have entities but they are generally angelic or demonic in nature.marvel on the other hand has far more and are concepts in reality{oblivion,infinity,eternity,order,chaos,abraxas}you get the idea.while marvel doesn't have some of the exreme earth bound heavy hitters dc does,marvel can still hold their own their as well,for example,silver surfer vs superman.the surfer could go etheral{meaning supermans physical attacks will do nothing}while just absorbing the vary energy that gives superman his power.surfer is also as fast if not faster then superman so its not like superman could just fly away.including entities marvel takes it

#17 Posted by Pwok21 (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel, due to TOAA being superior to the Presence.

#18 Posted by Ultrablastic123 (50 posts) - - Show Bio

LT solos d.c. IMO.

#19 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Nonbody matters except multiverasal characters and omnipotent characters. Everyone else dies instantly or is erased from existence.

#20 Posted by Delta1938 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@torzone said:

@Delta1938 said:

@torzone said:

@Delta1938: I know DC does but Marvel Entities are somewhat stronger and are seen more often. White Phoenix of the Crown, for instance, can manipulate time streams. In a fight against DC, Marvel's only chance of survival is via their Cosmic's...All DC's Earth-Bound Heroes and villains will slaughter Marvels. Lobo, Superman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Flash & Zoom will get tons of kills. And as for fighters Cassandra Cain, Batman, & Karate Kid will handle them.

Marvel's Entities are stronger because....?

Look at what Emperor Joker did. And he didn't QUITE have all of Mxy's power, and didn't have Mxy's knowledge/experience. And there's more than just Mxy in the 5th dimension.

They have waaaaaay more feats, Living Tribal, TOAA, Phoenix, Galactus, Eternity, & Odin are the best

Emperor Joker's run outdoes anything I've seen from several of those guys, and Joker didn't quite know what he was doing.

@beyonder2012 said:

mxy gets his power from a dimension,beyonder is more powerful because its the entire multiverse.marvel has hundreds of entities and gods.Im not saying dc doesn't have entities but they are generally angelic or demonic in nature.marvel on the other hand has far more and are concepts in reality{oblivion,infinity,eternity,order,chaos,abraxas}you get the idea.while marvel doesn't have some of the exreme earth bound heavy hitters dc does,marvel can still hold their own their as well,for example,silver surfer vs superman.the surfer could go etheral{meaning supermans physical attacks will do nothing}while just absorbing the vary energy that gives superman his power.surfer is also as fast if not faster then superman so its not like superman could just fly away.including entities marvel takes it

Half of what you said about Entities didn't make sense.

Silver Surfer is one of the most overrated characters. Oh, and his travel speed may be greater than Superman's, but not his combat speed or reaction time/time perceptions.

#21 Posted by ALMIGHTY (601 posts) - - Show Bio

The Ultimate Nullifier Solos.....

#22 Posted by Typhion (640 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't even need to be in the battles forum. Moreso than most battles, this is just a circle jerk for marvel or dc fanboys. Even the OP makes about zero sense.

#23 Posted by WillPayton (9359 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel wins because of TOAA. DCs more powerful being is the Presence who's more like the Living Tribunal, only maybe not even that powerful.

#24 Edited by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

alright,lets start with surfer vs supes shall we.if you can change your mass to go through matter then physical attacks would do nothing against you.if you can absorb all forms of energy and convert this energy{like the surfer can}and are facing an opponent{like supes}that gets his power from energy and if you are faster then said opponent{he won't be able to get away}then your going to win the fight. 2nd,what part didn't make sense.to say that emperor joker{who got his power by a mistake from mxy,who in turn has his power from the fifth demension}is more powerful than say beyonder,who has taken beings like galactus and put him in secret wars,and whos power stays constant throughout the entire multiverse,and has reset reality,to me is absurd,yes,joker had fun with earth,beyonder is powerful enough to wipe out entire dimensions

#25 Edited by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel wins over Dc. It just has much more entities. For each idea and concept it has an entity for it. Like the embodiment of space and time is Eternity, the embodiment of nothingness is Oblivion, embodiment of death, is death. The embodiment of infinity, is infinity, the embodiment of order, is master order, etc..... On the other hand Dc doesn't have all of these. Also, Toaa would solo Dc simply because Dc lacks a true omnipotent. Presence isn't omnipotent since he has an equal which is GEB. The only ones that matter in Dc are: Presence, GEB, Lucifer, Michael, maybe Anti monitor, and Spectre. While marvel has tons of nigh omnipotent beings like: Eternity, Oblivion, Galactus with UN, Phoenix force, all celestial (which are in billions of numbers), Living Tribunal, Nemesis, Entropy, etc..... So I think marvel is stronger than Dc.

#26 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm losing more and more IQ points the more I read this thread.

#27 Edited by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@clemj said:

TOAA solos... or eternity

Toaa maybe. Eternity isn't on spectre's level. He is not lasting a second against all Dc.

@Ultrablastic123 said:

LT solos d.c. IMO.

Lucifer MS>LT. Or at least Lucifer and Michael>>>>>>>>>>>LT. not even close

@ALMIGHTY said:

The Ultimate Nullifier Solos.....

Not even close. UN destroys the multiverse. Lucifer MS tanks multiversal attacks without any injuries, and holds the Dc multiverse in his hands.

Generally Marvel should win due to Toaa being the only true omnipotent. Even if we don't consider Toaa and Presence. Still marvel wins.

#28 Posted by Ultrablastic123 (50 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos:

@Ultrablastic123 said:

LT solos d.c. IMO.

Lucifer MS>LT. Or at least Lucifer and Michael>>>>>>>>>>>LT. not even close.

Morningstar and Micheal may be able to do multiversal busting atacks but LT can destroy a a thousand of them by simply thinking about it.

#29 Posted by ALMIGHTY (601 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos: The UN destroys not only multiverses, but time lines, scenarios, any problem...

It could single handedly wipe out the DC universe and make it seem as if it never existed, or wipe out every DC earth hero (Including the Justice League) and than Marvel just gangs up on who ever is left....

#30 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

you think lucifer and michael are greater than living tribunal??

#31 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate...omnipotent = omnipotent...

#32 Posted by Delta1938 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@beyonder2012 said:

alright,lets start with surfer vs supes shall we.if you can change your mass to go through matter then physical attacks would do nothing against you.if you can absorb all forms of energy and convert this energy{like the surfer can}and are facing an opponent{like supes}that gets his power from energy and if you are faster then said opponent{he won't be able to get away}then your going to win the fight. 2nd,what part didn't make sense.to say that emperor joker{who got his power by a mistake from mxy,who in turn has his power from the fifth demension}is more powerful than say beyonder,who has taken beings like galactus and put him in secret wars,and whos power stays constant throughout the entire multiverse,and has reset reality,to me is absurd,yes,joker had fun with earth,beyonder is powerful enough to wipe out entire dimensions

Yeah if Surfer really fought like that all the time, he'd be more impressive than he's shown to be. If you're going to argue hypothetical, then Superman merely beats him down faster than Surfer can react. Superman's combat speed and reaction time/time perceptions are superior to Surfer, and Surfer has been hurt to beat down by beings physically less powerful than Superman.

And Joker didn't just have fun with Earth, he had fun with at least the entire universe. Pretty sure his influence effected more than just the universe, even by accident I think, but I'll have to check. And the whole point goes WOOSH OVER YOUR HEAD!!! Joker didn't quite have all of Mxy's power, and he wouldn't have known what he was doing compared to Mxy. And there's a whole lot of other 5th dimension beings than Mxy. Also, Joker simply erased concepts. For example, he caused colors to not exist simply because that's what he wanted. If he wanted to, he could change 2+2 so it equaled pink elephants. Did Beyonder ever do anything like that?

By the way, what you said didn't make much sense due to it being jumbled together and a bit incoherent.

@kingkronos said:

Marvel wins over Dc. It just has much more entities. For each idea and concept it has an entity for it. Like the embodiment of space and time is Eternity, the embodiment of nothingness is Oblivion, embodiment of death, is death. The embodiment of infinity, is infinity, the embodiment of order, is master order, etc..... On the other hand Dc doesn't have all of these. Also, Toaa would solo Dc simply because Dc lacks a true omnipotent. Presence isn't omnipotent since he has an equal which is GEB. The only ones that matter in Dc are: Presence, GEB, Lucifer, Michael, maybe Anti monitor, and Spectre. While marvel has tons of nigh omnipotent beings like: Eternity, Oblivion, Galactus with UN, Phoenix force, all celestial (which are in billions of numbers), Living Tribunal, Nemesis, Entropy, etc..... So I think marvel is stronger than Dc.

You do know that there ended-up being an Entity above The Presence, right? Plus, there's multiple 5th dimension imps, and we saw Mxy has enough power to change reality through AT LEAST the entire universe, if not more.

#33 Edited by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@ALMIGHTY said:

@kingkronos: The UN destroys not only multiverses, but time lines, scenarios, any problem...

It could single handedly wipe out the DC universe and make it seem as if it never existed, or wipe out every DC earth hero (Including the Justice League) and than Marvel just gangs up on who ever is left....

UN destroys the multiverse. What time lines, scenerios, problems, what do you mean by that?

And if you think wiping out the Dc multiverse is enough for it to lose. Then you are horribly wrong. Lucifer MS can go beyond the multiverse and hold it in his hand. He survived the most powerful attack from Michael who held the power of demiurde (power of Presence) he tanked that multiversal attack without injuries.

Presence, GEB, Michael, Lucifer those are all greater than multiversal level beings.

@beyonder2012 said:

you think lucifer and michael are greater than living tribunal??

Of course. What did LT do, that makes him above any of them. If they merge together, they would stomp LT. They are said to be equal to the Presence if they are together.

And Presence>>>>>LT. He's above LT by leagues. Lucifer represents the infinite will of Yahweh (Presence).

@capall2 said:

stalemate...omnipotent = omnipotent...

Presence=/ omnipotence. He has an equal which is GEB. So NO he's not omnipotent.

#34 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Ok I challenge anybody here to provide three credible feats from ether The Presence or TOAA to justify using them in this battle
#35 Posted by Ultrablastic123 (50 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos: Like I said, LT could think multiverses out of existance, can Micheal or Lucifer do that?

#36 Edited by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delta1938 said:

@kingkronos said:

Marvel wins over Dc. It just has much more entities. For each idea and concept it has an entity for it. Like the embodiment of space and time is Eternity, the embodiment of nothingness is Oblivion, embodiment of death, is death. The embodiment of infinity, is infinity, the embodiment of order, is master order, etc..... On the other hand Dc doesn't have all of these. Also, Toaa would solo Dc simply because Dc lacks a true omnipotent. Presence isn't omnipotent since he has an equal which is GEB. The only ones that matter in Dc are: Presence, GEB, Lucifer, Michael, maybe Anti monitor, and Spectre. While marvel has tons of nigh omnipotent beings like: Eternity, Oblivion, Galactus with UN, Phoenix force, all celestial (which are in billions of numbers), Living Tribunal, Nemesis, Entropy, etc..... So I think marvel is stronger than Dc.

You do know that there ended-up being an Entity above The Presence, right? Plus, there's multiple 5th dimension imps, and we saw Mxy has enough power to change reality through AT LEAST the entire universe, if not more.

What end-up beings? Presence is the most powerful character Dc, he would solo the marvel without Toaa, or at least stalemate. Yes the imps of the 5th dimension can make a difference. But still I doubt they are above the abstracts, which are 9 I think.

#37 Posted by ALMIGHTY (601 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos: What I'm saying is that The Ultimate Nullifier can wipe out all beings that aren't Omnipotent/ close to it.

Which leaves ALL of Marvel's heroes and villans, and celestials, and beings left to just gang up on the few who survived the frontal assault of the Ultimate Nullifier.

#38 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ultrablastic123 said:

@kingkronos: Like I said, LT could think multiverses out of existance, can Micheal or Lucifer do that?

Do you have proof of that? Did LT actually blink a the marvel multiverse out of existence? You're making this up.

Lmao. Lucifer and Michael together not only could destroy entire multiverses. But create entire multiverses, which is a much better feat.

@ALMIGHTY said:

@kingkronos: What I'm saying is that The Ultimate Nullifier can wipe out all beings that aren't Omnipotent/ close to it.

Which leaves ALL of Marvel's heroes and villans, and celestials, and beings left to just gang up on the few who survived the frontal assault of the Ultimate Nullifier.

You think heroes like Thor, Superman, Hulk, WW, would matter in this fight? Michael has the power to wipe out all the Dc multiverse. So I don't see your point here.

Lucifer, Michael, Presence, GEB, anti Monitor can all survive a multiversal busting attack.

#39 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21 said:

Marvel, due to TOAA being superior to the Presence.

Superman could beat TOAA any day.

#40 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33066 posts) - - Show Bio
@ALMIGHTY: well, thats not true
#41 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate, TOAA and The Precence are both omnipotent.

#42 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

@Pwok21 said:

Marvel, due to TOAA being superior to the Presence.

Superman could beat TOAA any day.

Superman gets obliterated in one second. He isn't a factor of this fight. Superman may be a great hero, but when it comes to the top tiers, he's nothing.

#43 Posted by ALMIGHTY (601 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos: Since we are talking about ALL of Marvel and DC YES !!!

Rune King Thor, and Superman 1 Million could do some damage.

#44 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos said:

@AweSam said:

@Pwok21 said:

Marvel, due to TOAA being superior to the Presence.

Superman could beat TOAA any day.

Superman gets obliterated in one second. He isn't a factor of this fight. Superman may be a great hero, but when it comes to the top tiers, he's nothing.

Nope, Superman wins. You lose.

#45 Posted by Ultrablastic123 (50 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by WillPayton (9359 posts) - - Show Bio

@capall2 said:

stalemate...omnipotent = omnipotent...

Not true. In any case, DC doesnt have a true omnipotent being. Marvel does, TOAA.

Marvel wins easily.

#47 Posted by CapFanboy (4913 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

@kingkronos said:

@AweSam said:

@Pwok21 said:

Marvel, due to TOAA being superior to the Presence.

Superman could beat TOAA any day.

Superman gets obliterated in one second. He isn't a factor of this fight. Superman may be a great hero, but when it comes to the top tiers, he's nothing.

Nope, Superman wins. You lose.

Superman would beat anyone. He could like sit in the sun for an entire year while TOAA has trouble with Spectre and then come out and punch him. He'd do the same to Hulk who is Marvel's only chance to beat DC if superman werent their.

#48 Posted by Ultrablastic123 (50 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam:@CapFanboy: I hope you're not being serious.

#49 Posted by CapFanboy (4913 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ultrablastic123 said:

@AweSam:@CapFanboy: I hope you're not being serious.

Of coarse I'm being srs. Superman would pwn anyone. Even Galactus who would kill TOAA.

#50 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@capall2 said:

stalemate...omnipotent = omnipotent...

Not true. In any case, DC doesnt have a true omnipotent being. Marvel does, TOAA.

Marvel wins easily.

prove it...