#1 Posted by Sydra (32 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

#2 Posted by Hellos (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

Team DB gets raped by team Marvel and DC. No one on team DB can take on LT/ IG Thanos/ Pheonix/ Odin or Lucifer/Spectre/SM. 
 
I have no idea what team 4 is though.
#3 Posted by randumo24 (4655 posts) - - Show Bio

2,1,3 (4 is a very obscure team, you should really put up links for them)
#4 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

World War Hulk solos

#5 Posted by randumo24 (4655 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
"World War Hulk solos "

solos who?
#6 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by Grand Ninja (2330 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sydra said:
"

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

"
 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? Marvel
2nd ? DC
3rd ? DBZ
4th ? CoC
 
 
 
DBZ doesn't have a Presence/TOAA as of now that we know of. The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT.
DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT.
#8 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2194 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 4 takes it.   Cthulhu exists in two different actualities at once, and considering everything else I've heard about him, I'm going to assume that the rest of his team are on par or in his league, which means everyone else gets destroyed, especially the DB team.

#9 Posted by MrDirector786 (43416 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by SuperGamera (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Doc Manhatten team
#11 Posted by randumo24 (4655 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:
" @Sydra said:
"

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

"
   Who wins? 1st ? Marvel2nd ? DC3rd ? DBZ4th ? CoC    DBZ doesn't have a Presence/TOAA as of now that we know of. The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT. DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT. "

Did you just say that DBZ has an equal to White Phoenix???
#12 Posted by Grand Ninja (2330 posts) - - Show Bio
@randumo24 said:
" @Grand Ninja said:
" @Sydra said:
"

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

"
   Who wins? 1st ? Marvel2nd ? DC3rd ? DBZ4th ? CoC    DBZ doesn't have a Presence/TOAA as of now that we know of. The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT. DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT. "
Did you just say that DBZ has an equal to White Phoenix???"
at the highest. since dragons effect everything.
 
 
they still loose though bc DC's SMP1M & marvels LT and thanos' IG.
#13 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by randumo24 (4655 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:
" @randumo24 said:
" @Grand Ninja said:
" @Sydra said:
"

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

"
   Who wins? 1st ? Marvel2nd ? DC3rd ? DBZ4th ? CoC    DBZ doesn't have a Presence/TOAA as of now that we know of. The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT. DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT. "
Did you just say that DBZ has an equal to White Phoenix???"
at the highest. since dragons effect everything.   they still loose though bc DC's SMP1M & marvels LT and thanos' IG. "

not a chance, WPOTC solos the entire uni, and SMPOM is not neccesarily above WPOTC btw.
#15 Posted by Sydra (32 posts) - - Show Bio

 
The 4. team is a team af gods. 
Just Cthulhu is older than our universe billion times. His magical and technological knowledge is nearly unlimited.
Nyarlathotep is an incarnate of the creator chaos of the all universes. 
The others are ones of the greatest gods of the universe, with many many ancient dark godly power what man never saw. 
....  they can summons armies of billion demonic being or lesser gods, they can erase or create time and space ... etc

#16 Posted by randumo24 (4655 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sydra said:
"

 
The 4. team is a team af gods. 
Just Cthulhu is older than our universe billion times. His magical and technological knowledge is nearly unlimited.
Nyarlathotep is an incarnate of the creator chaos of the all universes. 
The others are ones of the greatest gods of the universe, with many many ancient dark godly power what man never saw. 
....  they can summons armies of billion demonic being or lesser gods, they can erase or create time and space ... etc

"

where are they even from?
#17 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Call of Cthulhu, a series of Horror novels by H.P. Lovecraft. look them up at wikipedia

#18 Posted by ssjsuperman (843 posts) - - Show Bio

wow is dbz the only anime you guys know. 
 
i pic the team with zoom
#19 Posted by Neuropa (24 posts) - - Show Bio

4. team grind the others.

#20 Posted by Stormultt (5317 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok storm is here phew what a freaking surprise. 
 
 
Anyway LT is more than enough, goodbye other teams.
#21 Posted by Stormultt (5317 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sydra said:
"

1. Team: 
   Superman Prime Onemillion 
   Lucifer
   Dr. Manhattan 
   Zoom 
   Ion 
   Spectre 
   Zeus

2. Team: 
   Living Tribunal 
   Adjudicator 
   Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet 
   World War Hulk 
   Odin 
   Phoenix 
   Storm
 
3. 
   SSJ4 Gogeta 
   Omega Shenron 
   Buu with full power 
   SSJ4 Brolly  
   Perfect Cell 
   Piccolo
   10 000 Cyborg Frieza
 
4. 
   Cthulhu 
   Nyarlathotep 
   Yog'Sothoth 
   Shub'Niggurath
   Daoloth 
   Shudde M'ell 
   Cyaegha 
 
Who wins? 
1st ? 
2nd ? 
3rd ? 
4th ?

"


Jesus christ....i totally skipped over the adjudicators name.

 

Yea he wouldnt go down easy at all either.

#22 Posted by BROLYJUGGY (72 posts) - - Show Bio

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said 
and i will provide reasons why
#23 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:
" The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT. DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT. "
Seriously you DBZ fans are absolutely crazy. No offence intended or anything you just SERIOUSLY over estimate the power of that universe. The Elder Gods and Phoenix are so far beyond them it's unbelieveable.
 
It'd be like a gnat attacking a M1A1 Abrams.
#25 Posted by TheSavageAssasin (2761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
" Team DB gets raped by team Marvel and DC. No one on team DB can take on LT/ IG Thanos/ Pheonix/ Odin or Lucifer/Spectre/SM.  I have no idea what team 4 is though. "
Will everyone please stop saying that people get raped by others in battles between comic book characters!!!!???!!!!!!!I am pretty sure that in midst of battle none of the Dc or Marvel characters will stop and Rape the DB universe!That is just a nasty thought!
#26 Posted by Sniber (317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja said:

@Sydra said:
"

1. Team:
Superman Prime Onemillion
Lucifer
Dr. Manhattan
Zoom
Ion
Spectre
Zeus

2. Team:
Living Tribunal
Adjudicator
Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet
World War Hulk
Odin
Phoenix
Storm

3.
SSJ4 Gogeta
Omega Shenron
Buu with full power
SSJ4 Brolly
Perfect Cell
Piccolo
10 000 Cyborg Frieza

4.
Cthulhu
Nyarlathotep
Yog'Sothoth
Shub'Niggurath
Daoloth
Shudde M'ell
Cyaegha

Who wins?
1st ?
2nd ?
3rd ?
4th ?

"
Who wins? 1st ? Marvel2nd ? DC3rd ? DBZ4th ? CoC DBZ doesn't have a Presence/TOAA as of now that we know of. The Kai are pretty much all equall or above some elder gods of Marvel and Skyfathers of DC, but the people mentioned for the DBZ cast doesn't = to the LT. DBZ's strongest mentioned her is probably as equal to TWCP more than anything else, and the TWCP is <<< to the LT.

strongest DBZ's character is ssj4 gogeta and he is<<<<<<<< white phoenix of the crown. but he is > odin, storm, hulk. I do not know anything about adjudicator. BY THE WAY gogeta ssj4 is not from DBZ he is from DBGT

#27 Posted by Sniber (317 posts) - - Show Bio

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

#28 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sniber said:

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

#29 Edited by Mirabel (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

Yog-sothoth is a TOAA equivalent and ROFLstomps everyone else here. No one else on his team is even needed or remotely useful to the gatekeeper.

#30 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

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#31 Posted by Sniber (317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

Goku ssj4<<<<<<<<<<<<Omega shenron<<<<<<<<<<<<<Shenron. And goku becoming old inspite of pilaf's wish does not show that goku ssj4 is stronger than shenron for example if strongest man of earth hits a normal person very slowly then that person will not get hurt but it does not mean tht he is more stronger than strongest man. same goes here. shenron used only very small part of his power to grant that wish. that's why goku overcame it. but now if shenron want he can turn ssj4 back to a kid.

#32 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sniber said:

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

Goku ssj4<<<<<<<<<<<<Omega shenron<<<<<<<<<<<<<Shenron. And goku becoming old inspite of pilaf's wish does not show that goku ssj4 is stronger than shenron for example if strongest man of earth hits a normal person very slowly then that person will not get hurt but it does not mean tht he is more stronger than strongest man. same goes here. shenron used only very small part of his power to grant that wish. that's why goku overcame it. but now if shenron want he can turn ssj4 back to a kid.

That's not how the Dragon Balls work. The Dragon's total power is spread across the number of wishes that the Dragon Balls grant. And since the Black Star Dragon Balls only grant 1 wish per time they're used, that is 100% of Ultimate Shenron's power. Either way, the GT Perfect Files state that Ultimate Shenron's wishes can only be reversed by another wish to Ultimate Shenron.

And I highly doubt that SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron after the zenkai he got from fighting him, after absorbing the Dragon Balls and after the 100 years of training during the time skip. And no, Omega Shenron is > Shenron. Ultimate Shenron though, the jury's still out on that one.

#33 Edited by drgnx (3551 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta totally solos with his ssj4 kaioken x 10000000 solar flare attack.....l

#34 Posted by Sorceror_Swift (535 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mirabel said:

Yog-sothoth is a TOAA equivalent and ROFLstomps everyone else here. No one else on his team is even needed or remotely useful to the gatekeeper.

QFT

#35 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mirabel said:

Yog-sothoth is a TOAA equivalent and ROFLstomps everyone else here. No one else on his team is even needed or remotely useful to the gatekeeper.

Yes, YS should stomp here, also there are so many irrelevant characters on all teams.

#36 Posted by Sniber (317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

Goku ssj4<<<<<<<<<<<<Omega shenron<<<<<<<<<<<<<Shenron. And goku becoming old inspite of pilaf's wish does not show that goku ssj4 is stronger than shenron for example if strongest man of earth hits a normal person very slowly then that person will not get hurt but it does not mean tht he is more stronger than strongest man. same goes here. shenron used only very small part of his power to grant that wish. that's why goku overcame it. but now if shenron want he can turn ssj4 back to a kid.

That's not how the Dragon Balls work. The Dragon's total power is spread across the number of wishes that the Dragon Balls grant. And since the Black Star Dragon Balls only grant 1 wish per time they're used, that is 100% of Ultimate Shenron's power. Either way, the GT Perfect Files state that Ultimate Shenron's wishes can only be reversed by another wish to Ultimate Shenron.

And I highly doubt that SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron after the zenkai he got from fighting him, after absorbing the Dragon Balls and after the 100 years of training during the time skip. And no, Omega Shenron is > Shenron. Ultimate Shenron though, the jury's still out on that one.

since gogeta never appeared after time skip therefore we have to talk about before that time hence omega shenron>>>>>>>goku ssj4

#37 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sniber said:

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@Laurcus said:

@Sniber said:

@BROLYJUGGY said:

team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

Goku ssj4<<<<<<<<<<<<Omega shenron<<<<<<<<<<<<<Shenron. And goku becoming old inspite of pilaf's wish does not show that goku ssj4 is stronger than shenron for example if strongest man of earth hits a normal person very slowly then that person will not get hurt but it does not mean tht he is more stronger than strongest man. same goes here. shenron used only very small part of his power to grant that wish. that's why goku overcame it. but now if shenron want he can turn ssj4 back to a kid.

That's not how the Dragon Balls work. The Dragon's total power is spread across the number of wishes that the Dragon Balls grant. And since the Black Star Dragon Balls only grant 1 wish per time they're used, that is 100% of Ultimate Shenron's power. Either way, the GT Perfect Files state that Ultimate Shenron's wishes can only be reversed by another wish to Ultimate Shenron.

And I highly doubt that SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron after the zenkai he got from fighting him, after absorbing the Dragon Balls and after the 100 years of training during the time skip. And no, Omega Shenron is > Shenron. Ultimate Shenron though, the jury's still out on that one.

since gogeta never appeared after time skip therefore we have to talk about before that time hence omega shenron>>>>>>>goku ssj4

Well, you're wrong on two counts.

1. Doesn't matter if he never showed up again. Gogeta is just Goku+Vegeta, so that doesn't really matter. One could also argue a theoretical SS4 Vegito if they wanted to, since that is just Goku*Vegeta. For example, if Goku and Vegeta were to fuse during the Saiyan saga, (as impossible and unlikely as that would be) Vegito would have a power level of 144 million, while Gogeta would have a power level of 26k. Goku becoming Gogeta after the time skip would still just be Goku's power + whatever Vegeta has.

2. Gogeta not showing up again doesn't mean post time skip SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron. I'd really like to hear how you came up with that logic, as there's absolutely no relation between those two things.

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team DB takes it easily no questions asked nuff said and i will provide reasons why

how will team DB win. I am DB fan but this team will loose here UNLESS the eternal dragons like SHENRON come to help them.

SS4 Goku is above Ultimate Shenron in power, which, according to the GT Perfect Files, (the official DBGT guidebook) is an omnipotent being with absolutely no limit to his powers. Try and wrap your head around those two statements lol. I know Goku is more powerful because it's stated that nothing can undo a wish made on the Black Star Dragon Balls, yet Goku's SS4 transformation reverses Pilaf's wish for him to be a kid. And that was before Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls. This is SS4 Gogeta, who is even more powerful.

It's why a battle like this can't really work. What happens when omnipotence goes up against omnipotence? Omnipotence=infinity. Infinity +1 is still infinity. Yet some things, like DBGT, (and Image Comics with the Man of Miracles) ignores that concept.

Really, this battle would come down to 3 characters.

SS4 Gogeta. Many times more powerful than a being that was stated to be omnipotent. Based on power scaling with how Super Buu nearly destroys all of reality with a fraction of his power, being a multiversal destroyer should be about as hard as breathing for SS4 Gogeta.

Living Tribunal. He's an omnipotent, so Gogeta should be stronger, other than the fact that that makes no sense. LT also has many more feats.

The Spectre. He's as strong as The Presence wants him to be, so, also an omnipotent. Though he has some low showings that LT doesn't, in theory, if The Spectre was full power, he'd be equal with LT.

I'm gonna ignore the Call of Cthulhu characters, because the original Cthulhu wasn't that tough, and everything but the original Call of Cthulhu is fanfiction by different authors that strayed from the original vision of H.P. Lovecraft.

So uh, yeah, that's my whole rant about how omnipotence and scaling power don't really mix. Because pandas. Also, Anime vs Comics threads aren't allowed. This one wasn't locked because it's so old, but you shouldn't have bumped it, and a moderator will lock it as soon as they notice it.

Goku ssj4<<<<<<<<<<<<Omega shenron<<<<<<<<<<<<<Shenron. And goku becoming old inspite of pilaf's wish does not show that goku ssj4 is stronger than shenron for example if strongest man of earth hits a normal person very slowly then that person will not get hurt but it does not mean tht he is more stronger than strongest man. same goes here. shenron used only very small part of his power to grant that wish. that's why goku overcame it. but now if shenron want he can turn ssj4 back to a kid.

That's not how the Dragon Balls work. The Dragon's total power is spread across the number of wishes that the Dragon Balls grant. And since the Black Star Dragon Balls only grant 1 wish per time they're used, that is 100% of Ultimate Shenron's power. Either way, the GT Perfect Files state that Ultimate Shenron's wishes can only be reversed by another wish to Ultimate Shenron.

And I highly doubt that SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron after the zenkai he got from fighting him, after absorbing the Dragon Balls and after the 100 years of training during the time skip. And no, Omega Shenron is > Shenron. Ultimate Shenron though, the jury's still out on that one.

since gogeta never appeared after time skip therefore we have to talk about before that time hence omega shenron>>>>>>>goku ssj4

Well, you're wrong on two counts.

1. Doesn't matter if he never showed up again. Gogeta is just Goku+Vegeta, so that doesn't really matter. One could also argue a theoretical SS4 Vegito if they wanted to, since that is just Goku*Vegeta. For example, if Goku and Vegeta were to fuse during the Saiyan saga, (as impossible and unlikely as that would be) Vegito would have a power level of 144 million, while Gogeta would have a power level of 26k. Goku becoming Gogeta after the time skip would still just be Goku's power + whatever Vegeta has.

2. Gogeta not showing up again doesn't mean post time skip SS4 Goku is weaker than Omega Shenron. I'd really like to hear how you came up with that logic, as there's absolutely no relation between those two things.

1. I did not understand anything in your 1st statement. You may be may not be right. From where do you get their power levels??

2. Didn't you watched battle omega shenron vs goku ss4 and vegeta ss4. He beated them mercylessly. He lost because goku used powers from all beings of universe to make spirit bomb.

And our discussion is deviating from main topic also it is going too long so from now send me a PM to answer me.