DC vs Marvel Speedsters Collide - Battles

#1 Edited by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Team DC: Flash (Wally West), Hermes, Zoom

VS

Team Marvel: Mikkari, Runner, Silver Surfer

No prep. Battle out in the middle of the desert, Earth. In character. Teams start 10km apart. No BFR.

Edit: Everyone starts standing on the ground. The Surfer can start standing on his board, but the board is only 2 feet off the ground.

Who wins?

#2 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1459 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Won't Silver Surfer wreck all of them?

#3 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Zoom solos. Alot of people say The Runner>Zoom but I have yet to see one thing that suggest that.

#4 Edited by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Definitely Team DC.

Wally can beat Surfer, Zoom can beat Runner. Mikkari and Hermes won't really do much.

#5 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@jobiwankenobi said:

Won't Silver Surfer wreck all of them?

No he would not.

#6 Posted by Alexander505 (1494 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

DC stomps.

#7 Posted by TheSyndicate (41 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Zoom solos.

#8 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Team Marvel.

#9 Posted by KingAres109 (243 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Zoom stomps.If he can do that in a race.But he stops time or makes everything around him slows down!

#10 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Runner is an Elder of the Universe and he can't die since he was banished from the realm for plotting against Death. Not to mention how powerful he is. SS is also too powerful for these guys. I don't know enough about Mikkari to say. This fight is character also so I don't see how Zoom could solo. I think people need to read up on Runner because he is being ridiculously underestimated here. He's basically a superior SS.

#11 Posted by Docnick (10454 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Zoom is always the answer.

#12 Posted by XImpossibruX (3344 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Surfer is the only one who has a chance. But he cannot take on Zoom and Flash.

Can anyone make an argument that Flash or Zoom > Surfer? I'm curious and would like to hear the arguments without a sh*tstorm.

#13 Posted by spawn_123 (1693 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

DC team and dont put Zoom in a race

#14 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@XlmpossibruX. runner is superior to SS. The problem with these matches is people tend to think Flash and Zoom are superior to SS. This site seems to be the only one that leans towards the Flash. If you break down their power sets logically there really is no way Zoom or Flash>SS. He's just too versatile. Not to mention they will be in the air flying at FTL speeds.m they can just take them out from a distance. SS can just use matter manipulation. IMP's are not going to hurt him either since he can survive in Black Holes and also stars.

#15 Posted by jwalser3 (2132 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@jobiwankenobi said:
Won't Silver Surfer wreck all of them?
No he would not.

Why not?

#16 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@jobiwankenobi said:
Won't Silver Surfer wreck all of them?
No he would not.
Why not?

Because Zoom and Wally would easily take SS. The Flash has attosecond reaction while SS only has Nanosecond reaction. Wally would hit SS millions of time with IMP (which can punch with the mass of a white dwarf Star wich was about three hundred thousands times the Earth's mass) before he could react. Zoom would stomp him even more since Zoom has moved to fast for even Wally to see and was stated by Wonder Woman to hit harder then Superman.

#17 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: The problem with these matches is people tend to think Flash and Zoom are superior to SS

They are.

He's just too versatile. Not to mention they will be in the air flying at FTL speeds.

I did not see the part where it says they will be starting off in the air

they can just take them out from a distance

The Flash and Zoom are easily going to close the gap

SS can just use matter manipulation.

The Flash would pummel him a million times before he could react with Imp's. Besieds SS would never use Matter Manipulation with morals on

IMP's are not going to hurt him either since he can survive in Black Holes and also stars.

False. Gravity damage is not the same as physical damage because if they were nothing below a Black hole should put a scratch on SS, Superman, Gl's etc. and that is definitely not true since all of them has been hurt by far less.

#18 Edited by Sufferthorn (1597 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@jobiwankenobi said:

Won't Silver Surfer wreck all of them?

It would be out of character for Surfer to destroy continents and/or the Planet.

He will not be attempting to kill them, so he will not create radius blasts to devestating kill-power. Flash thereby can take him out if he moves fast(that was a joke)....but i wouldn't say Surfer is easilly beaten, it would take Flash some time to beat him....but he would win.

If this WAS out of character, it would be over immediately.

@dccomicsrule2011:

Silver Surfer generally starts his encounters while on his Surf board...flying in the air. Duh.

#19 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

So let me get this straight. Runner and SS start on the ground? Yeah because they usually do right?! Please. What part of Runner can't die do you not understand? Not to mention this is in character. When Flash throwing millions of IMP's in character? Yeah he's not. Flash struggles with the Rogues in character, SS takes on the Runner in character. You do the math. Pretty sure SS has cosmic awareness also he'll know all of their weaknesses before it even starts. Yes surviving a black hole is about the best durability feat you can have, not even light escapes. So try again.

#20 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn: He/she said they meaning every one on team Marvel not just SS duh.

#21 Posted by Sufferthorn (1597 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011:

Ah, i merely say that because I believe Surfers aerial attacks will give him an advantage, and it would be injustice to strip that angle from him, as he will simply be able to bombard his foes with cosmic blasts.

A bit hazardous to say the least, good thing they have speed.

In the end...DC's Speedsters > Marvel's Speedsters every day.

#22 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (11450 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub:

Runner and SS start on the ground?

Does the Runner always start of in the air during all his fights? I do not think so.

What part of Runner can't die do you not understand?

What part of this match is not till death don't you understand?

When Flash throwing millions of IMP's in character

I said he could throw one million could. The Flash does not need one million IMP's to k.o. SS anyway seeing as how SS has been Ko'ed by far less.

Flash struggles with the Rogues in character

Are must be forgetting how they do it? They use Wally weaknesses against him they prep for Flash SS is not prepped for him here.

Pretty sure SS has cosmic awareness also he'll know all of their weaknesses before it even starts

No prep meaning he will not have time ahead to use cosmic awareness.

Yes surviving a black hole is about the best durability feat you can have, not even light escapes

*sigh* I already addressed this, not doing it again.

#23 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Why do people keep talking about SS and ignoring Runner? Same for Flash/Zoom and Hermes.

Also... damn Zoom gets all the love 'round here. You'd think he would easily be able to beat skyfathers with all the nerd love he gets here.

#24 Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (709 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Team DC

#25 Posted by niBBit (629 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Agreed. Alot of people think that Speed>>>>everything else. I swear it won't be long for treads to pop up with matches like: Zoom vs Chaos King, Zoom wins because of Speed and Speed>>>everything HERP DERP.

#26 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule your name says it all. You are clearly biased but whatever. Cosmic awareness isn't prep it's something SS has at his disposal, he would know instantly. Comprende? So SS will get KO'd but Wally won't? What do you think SS is going to stand there and take punches to the face? How exactly is Flash hitting SS in the air? Again your lack of knowledge on SS is astounding. He'll start in the air like he usually does. Let me know where in the OP it says they start on the ground. Runner isn't KO'd by any of them. Let's see scans of Flash taking on a SS character in character. Don't bother with anyone from the JLA because SS would destroy them.

#27 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (2259 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

DC WINS FATALITY

#28 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Let me clarify the rules...

Everyone starts standing on the ground. The Surfer can start standing on his board, but the board is only 2 feet off the ground. (edited the OP to reflect this)

#29 Posted by Sage_Areli (6 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Makkari is faster than Runner. He beat him in a race

#30 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Another thing people seem to not know about Runner is he is able to Influence the emotions of others and make them feel good in his presence even if he is an enemy and done them wrong by stimulating their pleasure center. Right there this is a done deal. Once the DC team gets close they won't even want to fight Runner, basically they will not view him as an enemy. The team then begins to KO them.

#31 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@WillPayton it's out of character for team Marvel to start on the ground since they usually fight in space. Just saying, just seems like you are trying to give team DC the edge. Not that it matters because Runner is the most powerful here, not that anybody realizes it. But whatever. I know the trolls and fanboys will be coming, but logically Runner>SS>Zoom>Flash>Hermes>Mikkari.

#32 Posted by AverageKoala (238 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Sage_Areli: Do you have any of his other scans, that was a very low showing. He can move across the universe so fast he thinks hes teleporting, he can sneak up on silver surfer faster than cosmic awareness can register him, and he has an infectious personality. The real kicker is that he cant die though...

#33 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

@WillPayton it's out of character for team Marvel to start on the ground since they usually fight in space. Just saying, just seems like you are trying to give team DC the edge. Not that it matters because Runner is the most powerful here, not that anybody realizes it. But whatever. I know the trolls and fanboys will be coming, but logically Runner>SS>Zoom>Flash>Hermes>Mikkari.

Why would I make a fight with Flash fighting against someone in space?

The starting location for this battle is on the ground. That has nothing to do with them being in character, it's to give each team a fair chance against the other.

#34 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2643 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@WillPayton obviously the fight wouldn't be in space but they should start in the air. This is in character after all.

#35 Edited by GR2Blackout (2555 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

SS SOLOS

SS > Galactus > Flash, Zoom, and Hermes

#36 Posted by xmenhulk (487 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Marvel Speedsters win

#37 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

@WillPayton obviously the fight wouldn't be in space but they should start in the air. This is in character after all.

Being in character has nothing to do with the location of battles. Also, having a fight between Flash and Silver Surfer, with SS starting in space, would not only be ridiculous, it's be spite.

#38 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@GR2Blackout said:

SS SOLOS
SS > Galactus > Flash, Zoom, and Hermes

#39 Posted by icysloth (1305 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Marvel wins because of Surfer but I don't think he is a speedster why didn't you use northstar or quicksilver, runner as an elder = zoom. The only way DC wins is if wally has speed force in which he solos hard.

#40 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Zoom.

#41 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@icysloth said:

Marvel wins because of Surfer but I don't think he is a speedster why didn't you use northstar or quicksilver, runner as an elder = zoom. The only way DC wins is if wally has speed force in which he solos hard.

Are you seriously suggesting that I (or anyone else) put Quicksilver in a fight against anyone here?

#42 Posted by Wardemon32 (773 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

This is pointless. The answer is OBVIOUS. I don't know much about Hermes but, Flash and Zoom solo's. The guy that said "The Runner can't die". That doesn't matter. That's what Flash is there for and is probably the only one that can really handle him. Flash will get to runner before he can even move a muscle. And since Flash enters the speed force INSTANTLY and travels at the end of it he can easily trap runner and give him Flash phobia like how he did Superboy Prime. So Runner is eliminated. I not counting Hermes because I don't know much of him. If his is bloodlusted Flash owns everyone and so does Zoom. Silver Surfer will be Smacked around by Zoom. And some guy showed that Mikarri is faster than Runner so he's like the last one to survive. So he's going to get taken out by Zoom, Flash and Hermes is he is still alive....

#43 Posted by AverageKoala (238 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@icysloth:

Niether Quicksilver or Northstar exceed the speed of light, Silver Surfer hits ftl speed easily. Flash with the entirety of the speed force fought Zoom well, and its accepted that SS is faster/stronger than Flash. Runner manhandled Surfer. Its safe to say that If you have the two strongest guys out of four (Makkari and Hermes are out of their league here) you're gonna win.

#44 Posted by icysloth (1305 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@AverageKoala: If you don't realize this your agreeing with me. Runner and Surfer tip the balance so much in Marvels favor you need an extremly week third link to make this fight not a curbstomp.

#45 Posted by WillPayton (4803 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Wardemon32 said:

I don't know much about Hermes

#46 Posted by AverageKoala (238 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@icysloth said:

Marvel wins because of Surfer but I don't think he is a speedster why didn't you use northstar or quicksilver, runner as an elder = zoom. The only way DC wins is if wally has speed force in which he solos hard.

I got confused by the phrasing, it seemed like you said Surfer wasnt fast enough. I get what your saying now. On the point of Flash having speedforce it would'nt matter though since Runner would possibly solo, too much power.

#47 Posted by AverageKoala (238 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Wardemon32: Minus the fact that the Runner is faster than Flash...

#48 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3308 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

#49 Posted by Wardemon32 (773 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@AverageKoala: Since when?

#50 Posted by eippihrellik (271 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

Runner is an Elder of the Universe and he can't die since he was banished from the realm for plotting against Death. Not to mention how powerful he is. SS is also too powerful for these guys. I don't know enough about Mikkari to say. This fight is character also so I don't see how Zoom could solo. I think people need to read up on Runner because he is being ridiculously underestimated here. He's basically a superior SS.

flash could just trap him in the speed force and zoom would wreck ss