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#1 Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52 enraged) vs Hulk(enraged)

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

#2 Edited by gav (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion vs Hulk

(Space)Mr Majestic vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash vs Juggernaut (draw)

(Earth) Wonder Woman vs Hercules

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

I skipped two that I"m not as familiar with.

#3 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: Mr Majestic Gladiator Wonder Man and Apollo all closely resemble Superman especially the first 2 I mentioned. but I understand why you skipped them.

#4 Posted by paulson3lt (555 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr.Manhattan I think would easily destroy Silver Surfer. He is basically omnipotent .


#5 Edited by 616Vulture (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

(Space)Superman vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion vs Hulk

(Space)Mr Majestic vs Gladiator(at max confidence) Don't know enough to decide

(Space)Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash vs Juggernaut draw

(Earth) Wonder Woman vs Hercules

#6 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@616vulture: and what do you mean same universe. The classic Herc not the depowered one.

#7 Edited by gav (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@616vulture How is Flash going to beat Juggernaut? He can not hurt him, he can not BFR him. Juggernaut is immune to physical harm.

#8 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@paulson3lt: Well so is Silver Surfer they are both pretty much the most powerful characters in there respective universes.

#9 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion vs Hulk (I think Orion wins by Versatility but since he is in Earth, i don't see him absorbing cosmic power as if he was in space)

(Space)Mr Majestic vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo vs Wonder Man (Don't know about Apollo)

(Earth)Flash vs Juggernaut (Flash can't really do much against Juggs... So stalement.)

(Earth) Wonder Woman vs Hercules(If he has Lionskin, he takes this...)

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

#10 Posted by 616Vulture (1470 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: Well Juggernaut can't touch Flash either.

#12 Posted by gav (430 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by 616Vulture (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: I can see why you think I'm wrong but all flash really needs to do is steal his speed and leave. I don't think he could win in hand to hand combat if he couldn't speedsteal

#14 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@616vulture: no Dr Manhattan is DC go look him up man.

#15 Posted by paulson3lt (555 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: True. I see what you're saying I just feel like Manhattan can literally just wipe him out of existence. But if ozy (who is not even half as smart as SS) can trick Manhattan would most likely devise something

#16 Posted by 616Vulture (1470 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by gav (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: Well Juggernaut can't touch Flash either.

@gav: I can see why you think I'm wrong but all flash really needs to do is steal his speed and leave. I don't think he could win in hand to hand combat if he couldn't speedsteal

The more I think about this, it's a draw. The rules are KO, sub, or death, and Flash can't do that to Jugs and Jugs can't catch Flash.

#18 Posted by 616Vulture (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: Yeah I think its a draw I'll edit my comment to them for a draw.

#19 Posted by divad4686 (182 posts) - - Show Bio

@paulson3lt: When did he wipe out anything out of existence?

#20 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

@616vulture: Juggernaut is able to steal kinetic energy as well... And i don't think Speedstealing is going to work on the Cytorrak power which is magic and defies the laws of physics...

#21 Edited by paulson3lt (555 posts) - - Show Bio

@divad4686: Cant say I recall. But he is made out to be omnipotent. So I guess I assumed he could. Would you say he cant?

#22 Posted by divad4686 (182 posts) - - Show Bio

@paulson3lt: No until he have the feats to prove it. And he was a matter manipulator, not a reality warper.

#23 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

@gav: @616vulture: @ghostravage: I also think that Juggernaut and Flash is a draw Flash ins't stupid enough to go hand to hand with Juggs plus Juggs can't catch Flash but Flash can't hurt Juggs. if Flash makes the slightest miss step and Juggs get's a hold of him it's over though. I think it's an interesting and great match up 2 characters you would never see fight against each other prove to be worthy opponents Juggernaut is unstoppable but Flash is nearly untouchable.

#24 Posted by homicidalmaniac (5350 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor-No idea

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)-Don't know much Orion

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man-Don't know

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)-

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

#25 Posted by Funsiized (3150 posts) - - Show Bio

@paulson3lt: Yes, i would say he can't. he hasn't shown manipulation on the level of surfer, who makes black holes on cue.

#26 Posted by XiiX (4774 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)= Superman

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor= Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer= Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)= Orion

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)= Mr. Majestic

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill= Martian Manhunter

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt= Captain Atom

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man= Not sure.

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)= Juggernaut

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)= Wonder Woman

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

#27 Edited by Wardemon32 (3606 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: Different Universes... Different possibilities...

#29 Posted by Wardemon32 (3606 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:

Your point was that it can't be done on magicical beings. It has been done on magical beings already so you can assume the same can happen the Juggernaut.

#30 Posted by Wardemon32 (3606 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:

He has also did it to Amazo who had Wonder Womans powers.

#31 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32:

@616vulture: Juggernaut is able to steal kinetic energy as well... And i don't think Speedstealing is going to work on the Cytorrak power which is magic and defies the laws of physics...

Sorry if you misunderstood my comment... The magic explanation is just a plus in the real argument which is... I don't think speed stealing is going to work on Cytorrak...

#32 Edited by Wardemon32 (3606 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:

It says Juggernaut Classic, I don't think he's run by the Cytorrak. And what would make you say that? \

#33 Posted by Sylvain (1640 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current) No idea but i'll go with Hyperion(Unless we are talking about Silver Age Superman).

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer (Dr is overrated -_-)

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence) Not Sure

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt idk but i'll say C.A.

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Both Silver Surfer and Dr. Manhattan are Marvel.

Dr.Manhattan I think would easily destroy Silver Surfer. He is basically omnipotent .

*Facepalm*

#34 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: Maybe because he's unstoppable if not attacked with high TP powers... But since there's nothing like Speeforce in Marvel, i know there's a spot of doubt in this statement...

#35 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

I think flash could bfr him with the speed force if he had too but flash hardly ever uses that it might kill him. Speed steel is not working on jugs just not.

As for dr manhattan wiping out ss, he couldn't even wipe out all the nukes in Russia

#36 Posted by thanosii (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

I think current Hyperion out classes supes on strength and durability, he held two earths apart and punched hulk back to banner then survived two universes exploding point blank

#37 Edited by dondave (26617 posts) - - Show Bio

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)

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#38 Posted by dondave (26617 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii said:

I think current Hyperion out classes supes on strength and durability, he held two earths apart and punched hulk back to banner then survived two universes exploding point blank

He didn't turn Hulk back into Banner, the woman who was mind-controlling Hulk was knocked out by Thor which caused the Hulk to revert back to Banner it had nothing to with Hyperion

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#39 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: True. I see what you're saying I just feel like Manhattan can literally just wipe him out of existence. But if ozy (who is not even half as smart as SS) can trick Manhattan would most likely devise something

Ozy had years prep time. Anywho, I think this fight is a stalemate. We know Doc can't physically die (since he doesn't physically exist) and I'm pretty sure neither can Surfer.

#40 Posted by RIKR2 (8470 posts) - - Show Bio

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic) Flash can't hurt Juggs and also his cocky one mistake and his doom

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic) but not going to be easy

#41 Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

*When someone does not know who wins or think's it's a stalemate I will count it as a Draw*

6 Superman - 2 Hyperion - 0 Draw's

7 Thor - 0 Shazam(Captain Marvel) - 1 Draw

7 Silver Surfer - 1 Dr.Manhattan - 0 Draw's

4 Hulk - 3 Orion - 1 Draw

0 Gladiator - 6 Mr Majestic - 2 Draw's

1 Beta Ray Bill - 7 Martian Manhunter - 0 Draw's

3 Black Bolt - 5 Captain Atom - 0 Draw's

0 Wonder Man - 4 Apollo - 4 Draw's

3 Juggernaut - 1 Flash - 4 Draw's

1 Hercules - 6 Wonder Woman - 1 Draw.

Just a total tally up so far.

#42 Edited by Alexander505 (2138 posts) - - Show Bio

(Space)Superman (pre 52) vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel pre 52) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion (pre 52) vs Hulk(enraged)

(Space)Mr Majestic(pre 52) vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter(pre 52) vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom(Pre 52) vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo(pre 52) vs Wonder Man

(Earth)Flash(Barry Allen) vs Juggernaut(classic)

(Earth) Wonder Woman(pre 52) vs Hercules(classic)

#43 Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1878 posts) - - Show Bio

7 Superman - 2 Hyperion - 0 Draw's

8 Thor - 0 Shazam - 1 Draw

7 Silver Surfer - 2 Dr. Manhattan - O Draw's

5 Hulk - 3 Orion - 1 Draw

0 Gladiator - 7 Mr Majestic - 2 Draw's

1 Beta Ray Bill - 8 Martian Manhunter - 0 Draw's

4 Black Bolt - 5 Captain Atom - 0 Draw's

1 Wonder Man - 4 Apollo - 4 Draw's

4 Juggernaut - 1 Flash - 4 Draw's

1 Hercules - 7 Wonder Woman - 1 Draw

#44 Posted by SheenLantern (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505 said:

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

That's a very funny joke.

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#45 Posted by Dratini1331 (6409 posts) - - Show Bio

DC and Marvel`s top 10 heaviest hitters respectively(in no particular order).

(Space)Superman vs Hyperion(current)

(Earth)Shazam(Captain Marvel) vs Thor

(Space)Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer

(Earth)Orion vs Hulk (I think Orion wins by Versatility but since he is in Earth, i don't see him absorbing cosmic power as if he was in space)

(Space)Mr Majestic vs Gladiator(at max confidence)

(Space)Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill

(Space)Captain Atom vs Black Bolt

(Earth)Apollo vs Wonder Man (Don't know about Apollo)

(Earth)Flash vs Juggernaut (Flash can't really do much against Juggs... So stalement.)

(Earth) Wonder Woman vs Hercules(If he has Lionskin, he takes this...)

Half the battles take place in space the other half in abandoned cities on earth.

No BFR(for the combatants on Earth).

blitzing is allowed.

win by KO or Submission and even Death.

In each battle the combatants start roughly 50 feet apart (on Earth and in Space).

Ding ding ding, we havea winner. Give this man a cookie :3

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