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#1 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

DC Earth vs Marvel Earth

Rules:

-pre-52 for DC

-all characters that are permanently based and live on Earth in 2010 (no characters that only exist in the past or future)

-only "standard" versions of each character (no amped, possessed, super-charged, or otherwise special versions)

-no prep, although everyone has access to whatever tech and resources they normally have

-bloodlust on for both sides

Scenario:

Both Earths suddenly appear orbiting each other in a unified reality. Each side fully believes the other is evil and must be destroyed at all cost. Each side's objective is to kill everyone on the other planet, even if that includes destroying everything on the planet including cities. While everything on each planet can be affected and destroyed, each planet also has an energy field that keeps it intact. This allows characters to use as much force as needed without risking destroying the planet and therefore affecting their own homeworld. It's not known what's causing this force field, but presumably it's whatever power teleported the two Earths together in the first place.

Win when everyone on the other planet is dead or permanently incapacitated.

Which side wins? How? Who are the key characters for the winning side? Who's left alive when it's all over?

#2 Posted by BMEZY (1210 posts) - - Show Bio

general lineups make battles like these a bit easier :D:D

#3 Posted by Duke_Kargoth (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY said:

general lineups make battles like these a bit easier :D:D

I believe he's asking for every character on Marvel Earth vs every character on DC Earth.

Is the Surfer on Marvel Earth at the moment?

#4 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Kargoth said:

@BMEZY said:

general lineups make battles like these a bit easier :D:D

I believe he's asking for every character on Marvel Earth vs every character on DC Earth.

Is the Surfer on Marvel Earth at the moment?

Correct, everyone on the planet... as per rules.

#5 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure Jakeem Thunder is on DC earth.

#6 Posted by SwordandShields (712 posts) - - Show Bio

is Thor, Sentry, Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer there? if so, I'm going with MARVEL.

#7 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@SwordandShields said:

is Thor, Sentry, Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer there? if so, I'm going with MARVEL.

You're going to have to back up your claim of Marvel winning with more firepower than this. Hell, Alan Scott can probably solo these 4.

#8 Posted by Duke_Kargoth (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@SwordandShields said:

is Thor, Sentry, Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer there? if so, I'm going with MARVEL.

You're going to have to back up your claim of Marvel winning with more firepower than this. Hell, Alan Scott can probably solo these 4.

If Asgard is still on Earth, doesn't that mean Odin is too?

#9 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Kargoth said:

If Asgard is still on Earth, doesn't that mean Odin is too?

Asgard only qualifies if it's permanently located on Earth at the time... 2010. AFAIK Asgard is normally in a completely separate dimension from Earth.

#10 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Mazikeen Morningstar solos

#11 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Max Faraday solos.

#12 Posted by Asagod (292 posts) - - Show Bio

That's too hard to say, there are so many heroes on both sides that I would possibly forget someone.

#13 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

Mazikeen Morningstar solos

I like your style.

#14 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

No one has mentioned Franklin Richards for team Marvel? Surprised. Where are the Marvel fans?

#15 Posted by The Stegman (23744 posts) - - Show Bio

This is actually a cool idea, and much neater than the "DC universe vs Marvel universe" threads since we don't have to put up with celestials, silver surfers, GL corps or Ones above All, I'm going to say...Dc Earth simply because they have a few Kryptonians that can do some serious damage, people on par with Kryptonians such as Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the various Shazam characters,  as well as four GLs...

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#16 Posted by Skaddix (3113 posts) - - Show Bio

Who has got the better reality warpers?

#17 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs:

#18 Posted by chaos-soul (1435 posts) - - Show Bio

franklin richards solos

#19 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

No one has mentioned Franklin Richards for team Marvel? Surprised. Where are the Marvel fans?

I mean...it's not like he just has an abundance of offensive reality warping feats.

#20 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

Who has got the better reality warpers?

Considering Mazikeen DC does

@chaos-soul said:

franklin richards solos

LOL no.

#21 Edited by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

We probably want to list who the top powerhouses for each side are.

For DC I can think of:

Alan Scott (w/ Starheart + bloodlusted = high-end reality warper)

Dr Fate, Zatanna

Captain Atom, Firestorm

Martians: Martian Manhunter, Miss Martian

Black Adam + Captain Marvel

A bunch of Kryptonians

Several Green Lanterns

Wally West (yes, he can fly through space... who's going to stop Wally?)

Zoom

Wonder Woman + All Amazons

Probably a lot more I'm forgetting...

#22 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom? Or is he still riding the Wheelchair Express?

#23 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

Zoom? Or is he still riding the Wheelchair Express?

I think the question with Zoom is... how does he get off-planet? I suppose someone like GL could give him a lift to the Marvel Earth and let him destroy everything on the planet. =D

#24 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Jakeem, Spectre, Elaine, some of the endless etc etc.

#25 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

Jakeem, Spectre, Elaine, some of the endless etc etc.

Would Spectre be considered as a permanent resident of Earth? He's more of a cosmic entity, unless we're talking about one of the less powerful bound versions. Was there a version living permanently on Earth in 2010 before the new-52 stuff happened?

#26 Edited by TheVoiceOfReason (747 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

We probably want to list who the top powerhouses for each side are.

For DC I can think of:

Alan Scott (w/ Starheart + bloodlusted = high-end reality warper)

Dr Fate, Zatanna

Captain Atom, Firestorm

Martians: Martian Manhunter, Miss Martian

Black Adam + Captain Marvel

A bunch of Kryptonians

Several Green Lanterns

Wally West (yes, he can fly through space... who's going to stop Wally?)

Probably a lot more I'm forgetting...

Wonder Woman, Zoom, Captain Atom. are some off the top of my head

#27 Edited by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Earth. Asgardia is on earth which has Gaea the mother goddess. And Franklin Richards, and Legion.

#28 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@xeon1cs said:

Zoom? Or is he still riding the Wheelchair Express?

I think the question with Zoom is... how does he get off-planet? I suppose someone like GL could give him a lift to the Marvel Earth and let him destroy everything on the planet. =D

Clearly he'll just build a space bridge in .00000000001 seconds. And run there.

#29 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: True I don't think he is a permanent earth resident I'll check.

I believe resurfaced on Earth as Crispus Allen during Blackest Night not sure if that counts

#30 Posted by Sufferthorn (1739 posts) - - Show Bio

This ends in the Planets exploding...

#31 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

How about these Elemental guys... dont know much about them, but they look... powerful...

#32 Posted by Mina319 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm didnt they kinda do this in JLA/Avengers ?

#33 Edited by CampodelViolin (168 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

Jakeem, Spectre, Elaine, some of the endless etc etc.

Would Spectre be considered as a permanent resident of Earth? He's more of a cosmic entity, unless we're talking about one of the less powerful bound versions. Was there a version living permanently on Earth in 2010 before the new-52 stuff happened?

Why you care about Spectre... Like SHARKBEARAGATOR said, you have Elaine Belloc and some Endless there.

Dc takes this.

#34 Posted by ComicVineAddict23 (186 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Earth

#35 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

I'm pretty sure Jakeem Thunder is on DC earth.

Jakeem Thunder might not be the most powerful person, i mean he will have to deal with Legion and Franklin and being a 5th dimensional genie doesnt automatically give you a win.

Also another one on DC earth would could solo would be Spectre, not seeing how Marvel earth can get past him.

#36 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

Jakeem, Spectre, Elaine, some of the endless etc etc.

Would Spectre be considered as a permanent resident of Earth? He's more of a cosmic entity, unless we're talking about one of the less powerful bound versions. Was there a version living permanently on Earth in 2010 before the new-52 stuff happened?

spectre has pretty much always lived permanently on earth, yeah he travels around a bit but pretty much every version of Spectre has been earthbound.

Elaine however is no longer earth bound, and left earth mid way through Lucifer series in 2009 after being hired as Presence apprentice.

Endless too apparently earth bound, and rarely appear on DC earth anyways, they are and have pretty much always been vertigo characters.

#37 Edited by DxBreed (13 posts) - - Show Bio

DC Earth stomps. Super boy prime, Superman, Parallax Hal Jordan, all the other green lanterns, Captain Marvel, and a shit load of others. This isn't even a contest. Marvel Earth is shit. What are they going to do? Send iron-man ahahaha. Better thread would be Marvel Universe vs. DC Universe.

#38 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

Easier way to say:

Marvel fans boy will say Marvel Stomps!

DC fansboy will say DC Stomps!

#39 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@DxBreed said:

DC Earth stomps. Super boy prime, Superman, Parallax Hal Jordan, all the other green lanterns, Captain Marvel, and a shit load of others. This isn't even a contest. Marvel Earth is shit. What are they going to do? Send iron-man ahahaha. Better thread would be Marvel Universe vs. DC Universe.

I'm going to say no on Hal Parallax because that's a special version of Hal that was around only for a limited time, etc, etc. The battle is intended only for standard versions... there's always too many one-shot amped up characters that pop up. They'd turn the battle into a total catastrophe. =)

#40 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@WillPayton said:

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

Jakeem, Spectre, Elaine, some of the endless etc etc.

Would Spectre be considered as a permanent resident of Earth? He's more of a cosmic entity, unless we're talking about one of the less powerful bound versions. Was there a version living permanently on Earth in 2010 before the new-52 stuff happened?

spectre has pretty much always lived permanently on earth, yeah he travels around a bit but pretty much every version of Spectre has been earthbound.

Elaine however is no longer earth bound, and left earth mid way through Lucifer series in 2009 after being hired as Presence apprentice.

Endless too apparently earth bound, and rarely appear on DC earth anyways, they are and have pretty much always been vertigo characters.

What version of Spectre was standard on Earth around 2010, pre-New52? Hopefully a nice bound one, cause unbound Spectre is a total ringer and will unbalance the fight. Unbalanced fight = no fun, hence the rules. =)

#41 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

What version of Spectre was standard on Earth around 2010, pre-New52? Hopefully a nice bound one, cause unbound Spectre is a total ringer and will unbalance the fight. Unbalanced fight = no fun, hence the rules. =)

During 2010 the Spectre that was around DC earth was Crispus Allen and he was well on earth fighting Final Crisis (and getting punked or humiliated by an amped up Vandal Savage), he was on earth for the entire Blackest Night (where he got mocked by Nekron, same person Hal Jordan as spectre stomped during Day of Judgement), and he was on earth being useless during The Brightest day. Thats pretty much 2009 - 2011 before Flashpoint and new 52.

#42 Posted by WillPayton (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@WillPayton said:

What version of Spectre was standard on Earth around 2010, pre-New52? Hopefully a nice bound one, cause unbound Spectre is a total ringer and will unbalance the fight. Unbalanced fight = no fun, hence the rules. =)

During 2010 the Spectre that was around DC earth was Crispus Allen and he was well on earth fighting Final Crisis (and getting punked or humiliated by an amped up Vandal Savage), he was on earth for the entire Blackest Night (where he got mocked by Nekron, same person Hal Jordan as spectre stomped during Day of Judgement), and he was on earth being useless during The Brightest day. Thats pretty much 2009 - 2011 before Flashpoint and new 52.

Ok then, so the Spec for this fight isnt a high-end version. That's fine. We just dont want one team with a universe-destroying uber-power, and the other team without.

#43 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: @Killemall: Doesn't Death of the Endless get to live on earth every century, could she be considered?

#44 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

Ok then, so the Spec for this fight isnt a high-end version. That's fine. We just dont want one team with a universe-destroying uber-power, and the other team without.

While its certainly the weakest version of Spectre by far, problem being, every version of Spectre is extremely hard to put down. Also he still has matter manipulation, the same spectre turned Dr. Light into candle, and i see no reason why he couldnt do exactly that to most people here. I think you are better of banning Spectre from the fight, makes it a little unfair.

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

@WillPayton: @Killemall: Doesn't Death of the Endless get to live on earth every century, could she be considered?

Death of Endless has oftentimes appared on earth, she doesn't primarily live on earth per say. Also they generally live outside of Dc continuity and only appear on earth once or twice. In 2010 Death of Endless comes to see Luthor for one during Action comics 890 , but its hard to argue she primarily lives on earth. After all she is the embodiment of Death across the multiverse.

#45 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: What about Mazikeen, she runs the Lux Bar in LA and has Lucifer Morning Star's powers she alone could take Marvel Earth.

#46 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

@Killemall: What about Mazikeen, she runs the Lux Bar in LA and has Lucifer Morning Star's powers she alone could take Marvel Earth.

Well i am sure its on earth, not entire sure if its considered DC earth (they never actually meet DC heroes) , i tend to consider that Vertigo earth (although they are same company). Also i am surprised, Mazikeen is not the only one who remains on earth. most often than not, when Lucifer isnt running errands, he hands around earth too, after all he now calls it his home (the bar).

#47 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: I believe he lives on the outside of creation since his series ended, I'm a little rusty on my Lucifer knowledge

#48 Posted by Killemall (18455 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

@Killemall: I believe he lives on the outside of creation since his series ended, I'm a little rusty on my Lucifer knowledge

Oh he does, is there an issue after he kills the voiceless Gods? The Lucifer series i got ended after that :( must have been incomplete.

#49 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: I believe your speaking of Sandman presents Lucifer #3 then yes his page on the vine has his chronological aperances, since then he gave up his powers to Mazikeen and left the universe for ever to live in the new Void by himself.

#50 Posted by slacker the hacker (7834 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Come on, I got to go with DC.

Zoom, Flash Family, 7 GLs, Phantom Stranger and that's only to name a few of what DC brings to the table.