The Teams are in a neutral world with a massive battle field that will not be destroyed by there battle. They start off 3 miles away from each other. The Heroes Know basic knowledge of there enemies and have 2 hours prep. The villains only know they are going into battle but not with who. No BFR.
Can the heroes pull a win?
Darkseid Mongul Sentry (No Void) Blue Marvel Classic/Current Thor Vs.
@TheCerealKillz: I thought I put that. It's Classic Thor but for some and with good reason they believe they are one in the same. This is Thor that lifted the Midgard Serpent. No void.
Everything depends on Darkseid's reaction speed. If he has nanosecond speed reaction, he will be able to react to Glad's attack and use OB. If, no he will be taken down by Kallark.
IMO MF = BM And I don't see Mongul putting down Thor and Sentry.
Also, with prep, Thor will be able to make a Godblast, what will put down Mongul or Darkseid.
@czarny_samael: being able to keep up with superman should count as something but they dont have the power to take him down fast enough not to get omega blasted
anyways Blue Marvel or Gladiator or Senty can slug it with Major force. Theyre pretty equal imo but for the sake of this battle ill say either Gladiator, Sentry, Blue Marvel comes out on top in a hellish fight. Thor beats Mongul. Now the rest of them- Thor, and whoever of the last three that didnt fight major force....Blue Marvel and Gladiator for example will take on Darkside. If its just the avatars that Superman usually fights....i say they can overwhelm him....but if not Darkseid ftw
" @czarny_samael: being able to keep up with superman should count as something but they dont have the power to take him down fast enough not to get omega blasted "
ABC logic. Thanos is able to keep up with Surfer and he isn't FTL. Nor is Morg or other heralds (beside Surfer), or Black Cloak (who fought with Gladiator) or Maelstrom (who fought with Quasar). This is not a prove, because if it would, than all people will have some "proof".
@buttersdaman000 said:
" Thats a BA picture of Thor.....such a BAMF... anyways Blue Marvel or Gladiator or Senty can slug it with Major force. Theyre pretty equal imo but for the sake of this battle ill say either Gladiator, Sentry, Blue Marvel comes out on top in a hellish fight. Thor beats Mongul. Now the rest of them- Thor, and whoever of the last three that didnt fight major force....Blue Marvel and Gladiator for example will take on Darkside. If its just the avatars that Superman usually fights....i say they can overwhelm him....but if not Darkseid ftw "
Any prove that Darkseid would win? I mean, reaction speed and durability feats?
Heres Darkseid explaining that his true self hardly ever fights his battles and that his avatars are much weaker
Superman Speed Blitzing Darkseid and actually ramming into him, only to get punched back
Superman getting manhandled by Darkseid
Superman fleeing darkseid
Darkseid moving really fast
Now im pretty sure that in all these scans superman is fighting avatars of darkseid, albeit very strong ones, but if he were to face the real darkseid he wouldnt stand half a chance at all.
" real darkseid solos, avatar could possibly take them with his team "
ehh i think that since superman usually ends up beating the avatars the marvel team can win this if they overwhelm him. Thor is a big factor though. If Mongul injures him too badly I dont see the marvel team winning this
In none of this scans it was said how fast Superman was. And in the last, You showed me travel-speed, not reaction speed. I can show the same about Hulk (blocking Sentry), Thanos (vs. Surfer), Drax (Surfer,Warlock,Thor), Morg (Surfer), Presence (Quasar) or Black Cloak (Gladiator). None of this people has nanosecond speed reaction. So it was PIS or they weren't using their (reaction-)speed in full.
You need something like that:
Gallery
Here You have probably all possible kinds of feats that proves that someone has nano/microsecond speed reaction. Talking about this, narration in fight, narration in reacting to something, thinking and resolving a problem and comparing to something that is almost as fast as light. I know that reaction-speed is hard to show, but we can't go with ABC logic, because it would mean that almost people in comics have nanosecond speed reaction.
In none of this scans it was said how fast Superman was. And in the last, You showed me travel-speed, not reaction speed. I can show the same about Hulk (blocking Sentry), Thanos (vs. Surfer), Drax (Surfer,Warlock,Thor), Morg (Surfer), Presence (Quasar) or Black Cloak (Gladiator). None of this people has nanosecond speed reaction. So it was PIS or they weren't using their (reaction-)speed in full.
You need something like that:
Gallery
Here You have probably all possible kinds of feats that proves that someone has nano/microsecond speed reaction. Talking about this, narration in fight, narration in reacting to something, thinking and resolving a problem and comparing to something that is almost as fast as light. I know that reaction-speed is hard to show, but we can't go with ABC logic, because it would mean that almost people in comics have nanosecond speed reaction. "
im suredarkseid can react at nano/micro speed but i cant find any scans.
Anyways one of my my scans up there shows that he doesnt really need it. Superman speed blitzed him and darkseid to the full force of that and then proceeded to smack him away. That shows that he can be more than durable enough to take some hits from the marvel team. He also has the strength to put superman on his knees. And we're not forgetting about Darkseids other powers are we? Like powerful enery blast, OB, teleportation, and telepathy to name a few.
I cant really read your scans. Can you make them bigger
1.I think You belive that because You often saw DS vs. Supe. I had the same problem with accepting fact, that Thanos isn't a speedster. I suggest, inding away to avoid it by high durability. If You can prove that DS has - for example - galaxy level durability, he won't need speed so much. Only God Blast could be effective on him, but even it shouldn't KO Galaxy Buster. 2.Supe attacked him only once and didn't repeat that. He can punch him 1,000,000,000 times before person with normal speed. But there is one thing. I saw DS using microsecond speed reaction here: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/darkseid-vs-sentry-silver-surfer/593667/?page=9 But I need to know that he wasn't boosted by something, like Thanos often. Can You tell me when did it happen? 3.You have to open them (click them and will open in new window). 4.DS has to have time to use that powers, without reaction speed, he won't have a chance to use them.
I dont think an avatar of darkseid has galaxy busting durablity but his true form definetley does seeing as how planets are like marbles to the new gods true size I dont know if he was boosted by anything....I doubt it though, I dont think its to much of a stretch to say that he could have micro/nano second reaction time You dont need reation speed to telepathically assault people and his omega beams can destroy the team if he goes full power........if not that he could easily send them all to cack to the futureusing his beams
" @czarny_samael: I dont think an avatar of darkseid has galaxy busting durablity but his true form definetley does seeing as how planets are like marbles to the new gods true size I dont know if he was boosted by anything....I doubt it though, I dont think its to much of a stretch to say that he could have micro/nano second reaction time You dont need reation speed to telepathically assault people and his omega beams can destroy the team if he goes full power........if not that he could easily send them all to cack to the futureusing his beams "
1.Any proof that he can survive galaxy busting? 2.He need proof to have nanosecond reaction speed. 3.To attack someone with TP he still need reaction speed.
I think the entire Team1 can survive hits from Team2, Darkseid and Mongul's physical durability is extreme. They do regularly smack around Superman and Wonder Woman. I don't see where this "galaxy busting" comes into play.
@czarny_samael: Ok, forget the telepathy, Darkseid doesnt use it that often anyways. His omega beams are more than enough. They can maul the other team or simply bfr them. The only way the marvel team has a chance of winning is to quickly take out Mongul and Major Force ( which will be tough) and then bumrush and overwhelm darkseid, considering that hes just an avatar. If hes not than this is an omega stomp in the dc teams favor
Ehh not so totally sure. This I take it is not full powerd Darkseid but the Avatar version. Marvel has Blue Marvel and Classic Thor so this should be more even. WTF is Sentry doing here?
@czarny_samael: Ok, forget the telepathy, Darkseid doesnt use it that often anyways. His omega beams are more than enough. They can maul the other team or simply bfr them. The only way the marvel team has a chance of winning is to quickly take out Mongul and Major Force ( which will be tough) and then bumrush and overwhelm darkseid, considering that hes just an avatar. If hes not than this is an omega stomp in the dc teams favor "
I agree that could take them by OB, but the problem for him is that he won't have a chance to use them.
@czarny_samael: Ok, forget the telepathy, Darkseid doesnt use it that often anyways. His omega beams are more than enough. They can maul the other team or simply bfr them. The only way the marvel team has a chance of winning is to quickly take out Mongul and Major Force ( which will be tough) and then bumrush and overwhelm darkseid, considering that hes just an avatar. If hes not than this is an omega stomp in the dc teams favor "
I agree that could take them by OB, but the problem for him is that he won't have a chance to use them. "
@czarny_samael: Ok, forget the telepathy, Darkseid doesnt use it that often anyways. His omega beams are more than enough. They can maul the other team or simply bfr them. The only way the marvel team has a chance of winning is to quickly take out Mongul and Major Force ( which will be tough) and then bumrush and overwhelm darkseid, considering that hes just an avatar. If hes not than this is an omega stomp in the dc teams favor "
I agree that could take them by OB, but the problem for him is that he won't have a chance to use them. "
why? "
Because he is too slow to use them. Gladiator will already finish him with his nanosecond speed reaction and planet busting punches.
@czarny_samael: Ok, forget the telepathy, Darkseid doesnt use it that often anyways. His omega beams are more than enough. They can maul the other team or simply bfr them. The only way the marvel team has a chance of winning is to quickly take out Mongul and Major Force ( which will be tough) and then bumrush and overwhelm darkseid, considering that hes just an avatar. If hes not than this is an omega stomp in the dc teams favor "
I agree that could take them by OB, but the problem for him is that he won't have a chance to use them. "
why? "
Because he is too slow to use them. Gladiator will already finish him with his nanosecond speed reaction and planet busting punches. "
Havent I already shown you that darkseid can easily take a speed blitz tackle/puch from superman?? Of course he can take gladiators punches.
Does a nano second reaction help with something that moves way FTL?
and as i said in another thread, when your moving ftl you gotta have ftl reflexes....so technically darkseid does have fast reaction times
@buttersdaman000: not really if you can move at light speed that all your reactions should be jumped up to light speed but if you can be still and react at light speed seeing it in slow motion than you have FTL, but if you were flying at faster than light speeds everything will be slowed down if your capable of thinking at those speeds but otherwise it just looks blurry. But DS doesnt need nanosecond reflexes hes shown microsecond right so it doesnt matter hes more powerful than any of the powerhouses in the first place
" @buttersdaman000: not really if you can move at light speed that all your reactions should be jumped up to light speed but if you can be still and react at light speed seeing it in slow motion than you have FTL, but if you were flying at faster than light speeds everything will be slowed down if your capable of thinking at those speeds but otherwise it just looks blurry. But DS doesnt need nanosecond reflexes hes shown microsecond right so it doesnt matter hes more powerful than any of the powerhouses in the first place "
hes shown micro second? I didnt know that......hmmmm do you have a scan?
If you a moving ftl then your reaction must be ftl. Otherwise you would never be able to maneuver around things, turn corners and things like that.
@buttersdaman000: yes but you gotta be moving at those speeds first to do that so there not so much FTL reactions, proper FTL reactions is when your just walking around doing your thing and you see something moving FTL fly past you as if its normal like how fast someone would normally be moving though if it was like a little flash of light than you dont have FTL reactions but if you see it clearly like for example superman can stand still and watch light move slowly so thats FTL reactions/thought proccess, but when hes moving at FTL speeds his whole body is FTL so its not really FTL reactions to him its just normal reactions
"Because he is too slow to use them. Gladiator will already finish him with his nanosecond speed reaction and planet busting punches. "
Havent I already shown you that darkseid can easily take a speed blitz tackle/puch from superman?? Of course he can take gladiators punches. Does a nano second reaction help with something that moves way FTL? and as i said in another thread, when your moving ftl you gotta have ftl reflexes....so technically darkseid does have fast reaction times "
1.It wasn't said how fast Superman was coming on him. So, no You didn't show me Darkseid reacting to nanosecond reaction speed. 2.No, You don't have to. So Darkseid doesn't have it.
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