DC Defenders vs Marvel Defenders

He absorbed Nekron off the top of my head but that might have been pre52. I'll dig through some comics and look for a good feat for you if you insist and come back with it.

So far mostly nuclear reactors and nuclear explosions. He absorbed his future selves throughout his own time stream (issue 10) in an effort to prevent his own future god complex by selecting his point in history to alter it and that's probably a solid enough feat there.

Don't forget he can be any size and replicate himself any number of times.

Captain Atom sees and interacts with everything on a quantum level right down to sub-molecular structure, energy, and time perception. He can destroy a planet, change time streams, alter reality, manipulate energy, alter matter at will and casually. His only restrictions are experience and understanding with his abilities, and maintaining his concept of himself and how he relates to humanity.

Surfer arguably solos

Captain Atom just drains and disperses the energy faster. Or turns the Hulk into a pile of feathers. Or both. They aren't even on the same playing field. It doesn't matter how strong and durable and how much gamma energy there might be. Hulk just isn't in the same class as someone who manipulates matter, energy, and time on Atom's scale. This isn't even something that's close.

@champion99: thunderclap isn't exactly one-shot as in one-punch, one kill but even then hulk destroying a dimension would end up killing his own team too and wouldn't have any effect on atom nor fate who have incorporeal forms

Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange arguably solo, respectively. Hulk might solo. But overall, Dr. Fate is really the only MVP DC has, and it won't take much effort to take him out with the aforementioned Marvel three.

Surfer + Strange = GG.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Thanks for the tag, I'll see about contributing more to this debate after I make my initial post. This is matched up better than it was before, I would have suggested taking Solomon Grundy and Dr Manhatten out and put replacement characters instead. Doomsday and New 52 Captain Atom work much better even if the former opens up the controversy doors. If the fight were to somehow split of into the DC and Marvel Defenders counterparts;

• New 52 Aquaman should be physically superior to Namor and be able to use water combat better.
• Silver Surfer would eventually overpower Captain Atom in a molecular manipulation, energy blast or whatever clash their versatile powersets are in.
• Doomsday is a monster with Hunter/Prey and Brainiac War feats which makes him superior and more adaptable to even World War Hulk or World Breaker Hulk IMO.
• Don't know Valkyrie or Hawkgirl well but on paper Valkyrie should stomp Hawkgirl.
• It's honestly a toss up between Fate and Strange, not to mention there's been more than one Pre New 52 Dr Fate compared to one Dr Strange

Ultimately the outcome of the match does rest on whether Strange or Fate wins the magical duel. Even in a team based battle, both sorcerers are more likely to engage each other rather than the rest of their opponents. Still, the match up still favours the Marvel Defenders over the DC Defenders even without teamwork due to Surfer and Strange as MVPs. They might tip the scales in a slight majority.

Surfer arguably solos

The real fight here is between the Surfer and Atom. With Surfer having his usual Power Cosmic and Atom having control over the Quantum Field. One is nebulous and undefined... the other consistenly appears to put the user somewhere near the level of god.

Also in the case of energy manipulation, the Captain could just redirect one onto the other.

As for hulk being the most powerful character here:

I posted a feat where he absorbed his own energy from his future timeline and thereby created a new timeline after having absorbed that energy. That beats the feats of others who have successfully drained Hulk but you chose to ignore it. Also posted his ability to simply create duplicates of himself so those could each do the same thing to the Hulk simultaneously. Here's an image of simply recreating his own powers in another person.

He could give his whole team his powers if he wanted.

Captain Atom clearly has abilities beyond the Hulk and a lot more of them. The Hulk isn't the most powerful anything here.

@champion99: so the only way his team wins is if there are casualties from his side too? so hulk can survive dimensional destruction? even if hulk were to do that, atom and fate both have precog, intangibility and reconstitution

No. SS and Classic Strange can take care of the team as well.

Even if Fate and Atom survives SS and Strange will be there to take them out.

"Feats for any incarnation of 616 Hulk allowed."

Mindless Hulk did this:

So what are you laughing at? The fact that you can't read the OP?

@ashrym: Namor has made Thanos bleed, gone toe to toe with Hyperion, Hulk, Thor, Blue Marvel and beaten Thing. He's also tanked being stabbed through the chest, hit by Black Bolts scream and dropped from the sky to a mountain below all in one go.

Doesn't matter. Aquaman has one shot BFR'd Superman, toed it with Wonder Woman, Swamp Thing, Martian Manhunter, DC Hercules and he beat Swamp Thing, MMH, and Hercules while his Wonder Woman matches were inconclusive. He's also pushed closed part of the Mid-Atlantic trench and caught a continent busting attack. He's been demonstrated easily tossing around cruise ships and submarines under deep ocean pressures/resistance and out speeds hypersonic flight craft. He was one of three characters capable of hitting Darkseid backwards towards a boom-tube at the time, and punctured Darkseid's eye, had Darkseid bleeding energy out of his chest, and nailed Darkseid in the arm with his trident again when Darkseid was holding him up with one hand.

That's without an army of sea monsters to overwhelm Namor, some godsmack lightning, or Aquaman's other elemental powers. Namor can't take that trident through the front of his face and out the back of it in any event. Namor's ability to fight other very strong characters would work against Aquaman's ability to fight other very strong characters to even it up better if Aquaman doesn't have access to good summoning, the ability to run Namor through, or Aquaman's elemental powers. As long as Aquaman can summon an army and/or has his trident Namor's a clear underdog between the two. It's actually one of the rare times Namor wants to avoid the water because that enables the sea monster army better and gives up his flight advantage. This is a case of brick vs brick++.

Namor making Thanos bleed is massively inconsistent considering that Thanos has taken hits from far stronger and more powerful beings than Namor. Even when faced with a Power Gem and maddened amped Thor, Thanos was still able to go toe to toe with him. The Hyperion brawl is still unknown at this point but it's not going to end well for Namor. Hulk has managed to overpower Namor several times both on land and in the water as well, the classic fights of Namor beating Hulk are outdated. Thor has one shotted Namor in the pouring rain and Aquaman has slightly better showings against fellow DC bricks compared to Namor and that's without Aquaman's other advantages too. As for Black Bolt, let's be honest if his scream can KO Savage Hulk, cause Thanos pain, blow up Attilan and level mountains, how is it conceivable for Namor to tank it?

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: In real life sure but in comic books if you're durable enough, you don't usually bleed unless hit by someone who can hurt you. And Thanos tanking a serious shot from Thor with Mjolnir whilst barely flinching only for Namor to draw blood is a big double standard.

You might be right but it did cause Thanos to grunt and at least be moved by Bolt's scream if nothing else.

It's not an absolute clear cut victory for Aquaman in the split of opinions and perspectives, that I can get but Aquaman seems to have more of the advantages in a fight to me. Not that their fight matters since the other 3 cosmic or heavy hitters are what determine who wins this Defenders battle.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: I went to the listed thread and Aquaman still has better strength and speed feats. Namor was demonstrated to have crude marine telepathy in a limited area and Aquaman's telepathy can still be felt across the world. Namor was shown to have a trident that has an energy ray (that he doesn't normally have or use) and Aquaman calls down godsmack lightning. Namor was shown to be weak to fire and used asbestos protection while Aquaman's been shown to deliberately take people into lava to use it as a terrain advantage. Namor took a hit that collapse part of a city and Aquaman caught an attack that destroyed a continent. Namor lifts a submarine and Aquaman throws a submarine from through and out of the ocean. Namor takes penetrating damage from Wolverine's claws but he doesn't take something like this:

Namor fights super strong people but he doesn't demonstrate this level of striking power on them like this strike on Supes or this one on Hercules.

Namor doesn't have the magical power that Aquaman has after Poseidon gave him god power. He doesn't casually godsmack people with lightning like here

or here

Namor doesn't create and control ice like here

or here

Namor can't directly manipulate the earth like Aquaman can.

Namor cannot catch magical energy and redirect it like Aquaman can. This was right after Morgaine le Fey was about to destroy Hong Kong. Prisoner managed to use the atlantean manacles to deflect the magical blast and then Aquaman engaged in combat with her as he struck her once, he tanked a magical blast easily from someone who just demonstrated she was capable of destroying a city the size of Hong Kong with the magical blast, and then he redirected the next magical attack back at her to defeat her. This was prior to Poseidon's protections.

Namor cannot simply magically incinerate a giant building and everyone in it.

Poseidon gave Aquaman the powers of a god. I posted a couple scans earlier stating that he has the power to destroy their world. These powers include elemental powers and magical energy, protection, and teleportation on top of Aquaman's high tier physicals and damage output far beyond Wolverine's claws as evidenced by his damage to Darkseid. His character would likely prevent him from going in for a fast kill but he's capable of a fast kill with the trident. His power set includes Namor's and more. Outside of the four key characters (Strange, Fate, Atom, Surfer), Aquaman's magical power makes him the most likely to matter in this match up. He is more powerful than Namor. I can also show more scans of Aquaman impaling and instantly killing armored atlanteans with his trident; although, to be fair, that's not the same as impaling Namor. I just wouldn't expect Namor to survive a weapon that can tear his head in half or destroy his spine. I really don't think Namor would last that long to Aquaman doing what needs to get done.

Captain Atom solo's.

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