What if Lucifer merged with the ION entity, he pretty much has infinite will and adding ION would make him extremely powerful.
DC and Marvel Cosmic War of Astronomical Proportions
" @Sexy Merc said:I wouldn't quite agree with that personally. He's pretty much the closest to them, but even if he is. Lucifer and Michaels together are equal to the Presence."What if Lucifer merged with the ION entity, he pretty much has infinite will and adding ION would make him extremely powerful. "Beyonder is the answer to that and anything Dc can through at them. Beyonder Pre retcon is equal to MOM TOAA and Prescence "
if I'm not mistaken.. it was what fought the GEB was just a portion of the Spectre's power.." If you honestly want an equlizer for Beyonder, put in Great evil beast for DC. He beat Spectre "
" @daak1212 said:" If you honestly want an equlizer for Beyonder, put in Great evil beast for DC. He beat Spectre "if I'm not mistaken.. it was what fought the GEB was just a portion of the Spectre's power.. "
probably, all I know is that GEB scares the shit outta me.
" @lord_oraculous016 said:LOL" @daak1212 said:probably, all I know is that GEB scares the shit outta me. "" If you honestly want an equlizer for Beyonder, put in Great evil beast for DC. He beat Spectre "if I'm not mistaken.. it was what fought the GEB was just a portion of the Spectre's power.. "
because Protege would be too much.. plus he just copied the powers of the Living Tribunal.. Uatu should not be looked down on.. just because he has swore an oath of noninterference makes him weaker.. the Watchers have displayed great power.. they possess the innate ability to achieve virtually any effect desired, destroy worlds and set galaxies shaking.. the Watcher are said to be equal to the Celestials in power.. the Watcher's High Tribunal was even capable of creating a synthetic universe from the fabrics of casuality.." Why the hell is Utau in this? Put Protege "
pre retcon beyonder + millions of times the power in all the multiverse...he solos and universally stomps the dc team
Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel
Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and
" Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and "01. sorry to disagree, but i just can't picture out the Seven Endless taking out the Living Tribunal.. Nemesis, the being who spawned the IG shpould never be taken lightly..
02. you stating that most Marvel cosmics most noticeably the WPOTC shows either unfamiliarity with the character or complete and utter hatred for the character.. the WPOTC can take out the entire Seven Endless with ease.. only Death is the small problem.. the Seven Endless are beings spawned from the creation of sentient beings.. the Phoenix is what sparked creation itself filled the firmaments with life.. and you are true that the Beyonder is the biggest gun.. but your claims are vague and completely unreasonable..
if you have any points or good opinions to share, i suggest speaking your mind to its highest capabilities.. thanks for posting though buddy.. ^__^
" @FinalStar86 said:1. I forgot about the LT but between the Endless and Lucifer and Michael, they would win by themselves," Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and "01. sorry to disagree, but i just can't picture out the Seven Endless taking out the Living Tribunal.. Nemesis, the being who spawned the IG shpould never be taken lightly.. 02. you stating that most Marvel cosmics most noticeably the WPOTC shows either unfamiliarity with the character or complete and utter hatred for the character.. the WPOTC can take out the entire Seven Endless with ease.. only Death is the small problem.. the Seven Endless are beings spawned from the creation of sentient beings.. the Phoenix is what sparked creation itself filled the firmaments with life.. and you are true that the Beyonder is the biggest gun.. but your claims are vague and completely unreasonable.. if you have any points or good opinions to share, i suggest speaking your mind to its highest capabilities.. thanks for posting though buddy.. ^__^ "
2. No, I just hate the severe phoenix fan wankery and overexaggeration her fanboys do. The host can be effected by any of the Endless meaning any of them could solo, she might be able to give some of them a decent fight but Dream or Death would beat WCP effortlessly.
@lord_oraculous016 said:
" the Seven Endless are beings spawned from the creation of sentient beings.. "
In other words, you've never read a single Vertigo comic, gotcha
" @lord_oraculous016 said:01. ah ok.. i get you.. i too am a bit wishy washy about the LT and the angelic brothers thing.. but they have Nemesis on the group so i think they can pull it off.." @FinalStar86 said:1. I forgot about the LT but between the Endless and Lucifer and Michael, they would win by themselves," Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and "01. sorry to disagree, but i just can't picture out the Seven Endless taking out the Living Tribunal.. Nemesis, the being who spawned the IG shpould never be taken lightly.. 02. you stating that most Marvel cosmics most noticeably the WPOTC shows either unfamiliarity with the character or complete and utter hatred for the character.. the WPOTC can take out the entire Seven Endless with ease.. only Death is the small problem.. the Seven Endless are beings spawned from the creation of sentient beings.. the Phoenix is what sparked creation itself filled the firmaments with life.. and you are true that the Beyonder is the biggest gun.. but your claims are vague and completely unreasonable.. if you have any points or good opinions to share, i suggest speaking your mind to its highest capabilities.. thanks for posting though buddy.. ^__^ "
2. No, I just hate the severe phoenix fan wankery and overexaggeration her fanboys do. The host can be effected by any of the Endless meaning any of them could solo, she might be able to give some of them a decent fight but Dream or Death would beat WCP effortlessly.
@lord_oraculous016 said:" the Seven Endless are beings spawned from the creation of sentient beings.. "In other words, you've never read a single Vertigo comic, gotcha "
02. are you aware that the WPOTC is not a mere avatar of the PF.. it is when the host and the PF are truly as one.. i have to admit that Phoenix avatars can be killed, but like i said, the WPOTC is not your typical avatar.. the WPOTC has total control of the PF.. like when Vulcan became a Phoenix avatar.. in the end, Jean as the WPOTC still calls the shots.. taking and making the PF useless for a mere avatar at her will..
the Endless are but expressions of life.. Death, Dream, Destiny, Desire, Delirium, Despair and Destruction are from life itself.. for example, how can there be death, without the existence of first life which would eventually die.. as goes for Dream as dreams are the expression of the mind.. there would be no dream if there are no sentient life to dream.. am i right?
" Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and "Cthon, Tribunal, Vishanti, Beyonder, Jean Grey. those are the answers for why Marvel wins.
" @FinalStar86 said:Jean Grey and the Vishanti are both useless, I think asked you for Vishanti feats on another thread and you drew up a blank, the only one's you named that are credible threats at the LT and the Beyonder and since most of Marvels team consist of dead weights in both fights, those 2 alone can't win against DC" Round 1 DC in a slaughter, the Endless alone are already overkill, throwing in the brother angels is just cruel Round 2 DC Again, even though Beyonder is the big gun he can't take on the Endless and Lucifer and Michael by himself. Most of the Marvel team is practicaly useless in both fights especially jokes like WCP and Uatu and "Cthon, Tribunal, Vishanti, Beyonder, Jean Grey. those are the answers for why Marvel wins. "
DC takes it in both fights
" @FinalStar86: How would DC win against Beyonder? He's has the power of TOAA. Clearly Round 2 goes to Marvel "Lucifer and Michael are equal to the Presence together, who is Marvel's TOAA. I considered Pre-Retcon Beyonder to be the closest thing to TOAA, but never actually equals in power. However, that round would most likely end in a stalemate, or the brothers taking the win.
" @FinalStar86 said:None of that matters, PR MM wasn't omnipotent and gave the supposed omnipotent Beyonder a good fightPre Retcon MM was rediculously strong and I beleive he could take out alot of people on Both Teams. To be quite far also, MM didnt win. "" @daak1212: Really? Because Molecule Man sure gave him one hell of a fight and he sure as hell wasn't omnipotent "
" @daak1212 said:" @FinalStar86 said:None of that matters, PR MM wasn't omnipotent and gave the supposed omnipotent Beyonder a good fight "Pre Retcon MM was rediculously strong and I beleive he could take out alot of people on Both Teams. To be quite far also, MM didnt win. "" @daak1212: Really? Because Molecule Man sure gave him one hell of a fight and he sure as hell wasn't omnipotent "
I never said Beyonder would curbstomp Lucifer and Michael Im saying that them being Nigh omnipotent dosent equal Beyonder omnipotence.
" @FinalStar86 said:Lucifer and Michael together are omnipotent" @daak1212 said:I never said Beyonder would curbstomp Lucifer and Michael Im saying that them being Nigh omnipotent dosent equal Beyonder omnipotence. "" @FinalStar86 said:None of that matters, PR MM wasn't omnipotent and gave the supposed omnipotent Beyonder a good fight "Pre Retcon MM was rediculously strong and I beleive he could take out alot of people on Both Teams. To be quite far also, MM didnt win. "" @daak1212: Really? Because Molecule Man sure gave him one hell of a fight and he sure as hell wasn't omnipotent "
@spiderbuck said:
" Marvel, ftw. Pre retcon Beyonder is always just a thought away from ending a scrape. "
Just like he ended his scrape with Molecule Man...oh wait...
@killemall: Cosmic entities are plot devices.
@killemall: Cosmic entities are plot devices.
Well Protege is both, a cosmic being as well as a plot device.
He's got double protection.
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