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Edited by SMXLR8
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yep like the title says
rules - everyone is in character , marvel and dc earth get 1 hour prep and can call on space help if needed but be fair about it, everything else stands
location - a neutral earth they start 100 feet away
note - Dbz/gt get everyone from movie cast to Hench men
DC & MARVEL Earth in a landslide. There are some things you can't defense unless you have experience combatting it. The Shadow King, for instance. Now go ahead and count Goku amongst Marvel's forces. What could they possibly do to Vision, Martian Manhunter, Or Flash who's particle vibrating? They'll become heart collectors. There's too many goofy realit-defying powers to make this a fair fight.
DC & MARVEL Earth in a landslide. There are some things you can't defense unless you have experience combatting it. The Shadow King, for instance. Now go ahead and count Goku amongst Marvel's forces. What could they possibly do to Vision, Martian Manhunter, Or Flash who's particle vibrating? They'll become heart collectors. There's too many goofy realit-defying powers to make this a fair fight.
No but really, just Marvel Earth has some powerful reality manipulators, among other people who could be a serious thread to the DB Earth's strongest characters, and if you add the DC Earth as well, I can't see the DB cast winning this.
DC & MARVEL Earth in a landslide. There are some things you can't defense unless you have experience combatting it. The Shadow King, for instance. Now go ahead and count Goku amongst Marvel's forces. What could they possibly do to Vision, Martian Manhunter, Or Flash who's particle vibrating? They'll become heart collectors. There's too many goofy realit-defying powers to make this a fair fight.
Every DBZ character focuses their power to blow up every Universe ever. Everyone loses.
This.
Seriously SSJ4 Vegito
SSJ Vegito was nigh-invincible, as he is the multiplied powerlevels of Goku and Vegeta
Goku x Vegeta = Vegito
SSJ4 Goku x SSJ4 Vegeta = 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (lol it keeps going)
SSJ Vegito
He's warping space/time, causing the universe to collapseBuu is causeing the universe to be crushedVegeto punches through Buu's space warping, universe collapsing hissy fit
No one on the team can kill Buu, KI erases people from existance, DC and Marvel still use physics meaning matter can not be destroyed. Buu blows up the planet.
And since where using GT, anime scans are allowed.
No one on the team can kill Buu, KI erases people from existance, DC and Marvel still use physics meaning matter can not be destroyed. Buu blows up the planet.
And since where using GT, anime scans are allowed.
Buu blows up the Galaxy.
No one needs to kill him, heck half of Marvel are likely to bend him to their will you know, them being telepaths, empaths, or just plain being Purple Man. DC also has telepaths, parasites that take over your body or God in heaven only knows, oh and including God (Presence / TOAA). There are literally so many super beings of so many types in the comics big two that by the end of it DBZ verse becomes a part of their verse.
Every DBZ character focuses their power to blow up every Universe ever. Everyone loses.
This.
Seriously SSJ4 Vegito
SSJ Vegito was nigh-invincible, as he is the multiplied powerlevels of Goku and Vegeta
Goku x Vegeta = Vegito
SSJ4 Goku x SSJ4 Vegeta = 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (lol it keeps going)
SSJ Vegito
He's warping space/time, causing the universe to collapseBuu is causeing the universe to be crushedVegeto punches through Buu's space warping, universe collapsing hissy fit
For DBZ/GT, this is a series-ending threat. For Big Two? This happens at least twice every year.....if not every month.
No one on the team can kill Buu, KI erases people from existance, DC and Marvel still use physics meaning matter can not be destroyed. Buu blows up the planet.
And since where using GT, anime scans are allowed.
Buu blows up the Galaxy.
No one needs to kill him, heck half of Marvel are likely to bend him to their will you know, them being telepaths, empaths, or just plain being Purple Man. DC also has telepaths, parasites that take over your body or God in heaven only knows, oh and including God (Presence / TOAA). There are literally so many super beings of so many types in the comics big two that by the end of it DBZ verse becomes a part of their verse.
There's no Presence or TOAA. This is Marvel and DC Earth, (meaning just the characters on Earth, as well as any help from space that they can reasonably call in) vs the entire DBZ universe, which does include an omnipotent being. Read the OP.
I say again, Ultimate Shenron blinks the Marvel and DC Earth characters out of existence.
@Laurcus: When did Ultimate Shenron ever blink anyone out of existence?
He has control of Minus power, he can destroy the life of the Universe with Negative power. Gogeta however transfered his energy into positive energy to avoid destruction "see above a 8:45t"
I'm being extremely serious here, what's to stop a minor character like of Frieza from blowing up the Earth? Essentially killing 80% of the DC and Marvel Earth, and the Kai's who can teleport across dimensions can teleport.
No one on the team can kill Buu, KI erases people from existance, DC and Marvel still use physics meaning matter can not be destroyed. Buu blows up the planet.
And since where using GT, anime scans are allowed.
Buu blows up the Galaxy.
No one needs to kill him, heck half of Marvel are likely to bend him to their will you know, them being telepaths, empaths, or just plain being Purple Man. DC also has telepaths, parasites that take over your body or God in heaven only knows, oh and including God (Presence / TOAA). There are literally so many super beings of so many types in the comics big two that by the end of it DBZ verse becomes a part of their verse.
There's no Presence or TOAA. This is Marvel and DC Earth, (meaning just the characters on Earth, as well as any help from space that they can reasonably call in) vs the entire DBZ universe, which does include an omnipotent being. Read the OP.
I say again, Ultimate Shenron blinks the Marvel and DC Earth characters out of existence.
@xeon1cs said:
@Laurcus: When did Ultimate Shenron ever blink anyone out of existence?
Even if he did, Marvel still has more reality warpers and DC has Speedsters that should laugh at his blink speed. And I apologize, I didn't notice that it was simply Marvel/DC Earth which seems a little slanted in my view now that I notice seeing as it's all of DBZ plus GT but even with that slant the comic universes have far too much to offer, so much so to the point that it actually doesn't really matter how powerful their opponents are.
@Laurcus: When did Ultimate Shenron ever blink anyone out of existence?
I'm not talking about Omega Shenron, I'm talking about Ultimate Shenron, the Eternal Dragon from the Black Star Dragon Balls. That's like asking when TOAA blinked someone out of existence. He's an omnipotent, he doesn't need feats. Toei animation stated that he's omnipotent in the GT Perfect Files. He's literally TOAA level.
@xeon1cs: Even though we probably can't put Vertigo characters in Mazikeen who owns the Lux bar on Earth has Morningstar's powers and Death of the Endless comes around every century or so they would destroy DBZ when coupled with Spectre.
@Laurcus: By default TOAA would be on Earth then. Seeing as he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
Prove TOAA is omnipresent. Being omnipresent is not a requisite for being omnipotent. He's only omnipresent if he wants to be, and he has not shown a regular presence on Earth. He can exist in any form he wishes, he does not need to be everywhere at once. You're grasping at straws, which is kind of hilarious.
This is obvious bias on your part. If someone made a DC Earth vs Marvel Earth thread you would not try to bring TOAA into it.
@Sethlol The manga rule needed to be removed. Obviously the battle threads will be flooded with these battles, the ban was just lifted! I have not seen one instance of flame war or major trolling because of the lift of the ban. Personally, i think the new parameters allow great new battles.
@Laurcus: I also wouldn't bring omnipotent characters into it period. You did, for some unknown reason.
By your logic, I don't need to prove he is omnipresent, just like you don't need to prove Ultimate Shenron is omnipotent.
When was it ever stated that TOAA is omnipresent?
Here's another question for you. If someone made a DC Earth vs Marvel Omniverse thread, wouldn't you, (along with any other sensible person) bring TOAA, Living Tribunal, and any other high tier character into it?
That's the parameters of the battle. You're acting like I'm trying to exploit some dumb technicality. Someone made a DBZ/GT vs Marvel and DC Earth thread. DBZ/GT has an omnipotent being in it. He's stated to be omnipotent in the official guidebook.
@Laurcus: Your justification of wanting to use Ultimate Shenron, is no more or less acceptable then me saying TOAA is on Earth. He has simply appeared before characters before.
Living Tribunal, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos are also not omnipotent. So that's irrelevant. Omnipotence is omnipotence, bringing characters like that into battles is sheer stupidity.
@Laurcus: Your justification of wanting to use Ultimate Shenron, is no more or less acceptable then me saying TOAA is on Earth. He has simply appeared before characters before.
Living Tribunal, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos are also not omnipotent. So that's irrelevant. Omnipotence is omnipotence, bringing characters like that into battles is sheer stupidity.
Prove how your justification is more acceptable than mine. Ultimate Shenron is a character in DBGT, therefore he is in this battle. This is not DBZ/GT Earth, this is ALL characters in the franchise.
You have done nothing to prove TOAA is part of Marvel Earth. Saying TOAA is omnipresent based on being omnipotent is a non sequitur logical fallacy. Calling my argument stupid is also a Red Herring logical fallacy. And if my usage of Ultimate Shenron was incorrect, you would also be using the Two wrongs make a right fallacy. But it wasn't so you're not.
Hm. I just went about the maker of this thread's comments, and apparently, anyone who says DBZ/GT wins, is automatically a fanboy in his eyes. He made this battle out of spite, just so DBZ/GT loses. Oh, hey, DBZ/GT slaughters everyone. =)
Never stated I was more justified in using TOAA than you were in using Ultimate Shenron. I stated that my reasoning for using TOAA is just as acceptable as yours for using Ultimate Shenron, which it is.
Never said your argument was stupid. I stated bringing omnipotent characters into a battle thread was stupid.
By default, omnipotence grants omnipresence. You're either omnipotent, or you're not. By being omnipotent, he's omnipresent. Therefore he's on Earth.
Superman and Thor could take out most of DBZ's roster on their own easily.
Characters like Vegito, Buu, Shenrons are really the only ones surviving from them, and I think Superman and Thor could take majority of the Shenrons as well, though would probably fall at Omega Shenron and Vegito and MAYBE Buu.
But then there are characters like Galactus, skyfathers, Scarlet Witch, Spectre, Thanos, Darkseid, Amazo, Flash, Zatanna, Dr. Strange etc.
The comics have a much larger roster, with too many god-like characters for DBZ to handle.
Never stated I was more justified in using TOAA than you were in using Ultimate Shenron. I stated that my reasoning for using TOAA is just as acceptable as yours for using Ultimate Shenron, which it is.
Never said your argument was stupid. I stated bringing omnipotent characters into a battle thread was stupid.
By default, omnipotence grants omnipresence. You're either omnipotent, or you're not. By being omnipotent, he's omnipresent. Therefore he's on Earth.
Explain how your reasoning is just as acceptable as mine for using Ultimate Shenron.
The bolded is a non sequitur logical fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29 Your premise is that TOAA is omnipotent. Your conclusion is that he is omnipresent. There is no evidence for the conclusion, it does not follow from the premise. You have no proof other than your own opinion that there even is some sort of default state for omnipotence.
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