Darth Vader vs Freedon Nadd

Round 1: Force only

Round 2: All out

@wollfmyth209@i_like_swords@shootingnova@eisenfauste@thevivas

Eh round 1 I'd edge it to Nadd just based on his esoteric force knowledge

Vader kills him in round 2 though.

Vader across the board.

@eisenfauste:

Eh round 1 I'd edge it to Nadd just based on his esoteric force knowledge

And how would that "esoteric knowledge" give him win exactly?

@dccomicsrule2011: Vader can't counter something he doesn't know about.

Again, mind telling what is this unknown power Vader wouldn't have an answer for?

@dccomicsrule2011: Unknown power? Unknown techniques is what could give Vader problems in this fight. I haven't seen anything from Vader to suggest he has extensive knowledge on old sith techniques or spells. Nadd was the most proficient sith sorcerer of the time and considering how much knowledge of these techniques has been lost from his era to Vaders it's quite possible he could throw something at Vader that he know's nothing about.

@eisenfauste:

Unknown power? Unknown techniques is what could give Vader problems in this fight.

So, we're going to assume that Nadd has some unknown technique that is powerful enough to wreck Vader, when you yourself, have no idea of the existence of such a technique, to the point you can't even give me a name or description?

KK.

I haven't seen anything from Vader to suggest he has extensive knowledge on old sith techniques or spells. Nadd was the most proficient sith sorcerer of the time and considering how much knowledge of these techniques has been lost from his era to Vaders it's quite possible he could throw something at Vader that he know's nothing about.

Given the fact that Vader was a master of Sith Sorcery, and he taught Kharys everything she knew canonically (who was able to summon Sith Demons who were capable of no selling blaster bolts, rag-dolling Chewbacca and eating the very essence of foes; heck, just being around them was splitting Luke's brain in half)

Vader may not be a Nadd level sorcery or Sith Scholar, but his extensive knowledge in the aforementioned subject, monstrous Force reserves, mental fortitude, and Force defenses tells me he could resist whatever power Freedon throws at him.

So, we're going to assume that Nadd has some unknown technique that is powerful enough to wreck Vader, when you yourself, have no idea of the existence of such a technique, to the point you can't even give me a name or description?

Did I say wreck Vader? No I didn't. I did say his superior knowledge of sith sorcery and sith techniques could give him an edge in round 1. Why would I name a technique when so few sith sorcery techniques are shown on panel? I could say he summons dark tendrils and it's GG for Vader. The crux of this opinion is that we've seen numerous ancient sith use techniques in battle Aleema, Exar, Naga so we know during this time it was in character for them to these techniques. We've seen nothing from Vader to suggest he uses any form of his knowledge of sorcery in battle. I'm not saying Vader couldn't protect himself from some of what Nadd is tossing his way but.....

@eisenfauste:

Did I say wreck Vader? No I didn't.

Wreck = destruction; you are saying Nadd would wins right? Then that means you agreed Vader would get "destroyed" in the end....

Lets not argue semantics, bruh.

I did say his superior knowledge of sith sorcery and sith techniques could give him an edge in round 1.

Which was noted, and something I disagreed with.

Why would I name a technique when so few sith sorcery techniques are shown on panel?

Um, no. I'm pretty sure there is a good bit of Sith sorcery techniques shown on panel. And chances are, if it wasn't explored in thousands upon thousands of sources, it isn't that great a technique from the get-go.

The main problem with your argument, is you're appealing to ignorance instead of bring actual evidence to the table.

I could say he summons dark tendrils and it's GG for Vader.

Which require immense mental concentration and amplification whenever it was shown (E.I Kyp and Exar teaming up against Luke and drawing on the Yavin Temple, or Zannah drawing on the power of Ambria)

I doubt it is something he could just pull out on the fly, neither is it something that a Force shield or Barrier can't defend against (he has deflected blaster bolts and laser fire with a simple gesture)

The crux of this opinion is that we've seen numerous ancient sith use techniques in battle Aleema, Exar, Naga so we know during this time it was in character for them to these techniques.

You know what, I'll humor you; I'll let you use the feats and showing for everyone named sans Exar to back you argument here, and I'm willing to bet none of the techniques used by Aleema or Naga is cracking Vader chin for a win. From drain, to telepathic like spells, and illusions.

We've seen nothing from Vader to suggest he uses any form of his knowledge of sorcery in battle.

He doesn't need to use sorcery in battle; only protect against it. Which i'm arguing he can. Would be much easier if I knew exactly what ability Vader would be defending himself against...

Vader wins.

I doubt Vader wins Force-only. He might win all-out, though.

Nadd wins Round 1, Vader wins all out.

...does anyone here mind explaining excatly why Nadd wins round 1?

You know, besides the hive mind mentality and all.

You may have aids, but you see the truth now of Star Wars debating on Comicvine.

@shootingnova@i_like_swords that's all you guys...

@sirfizzwhizzsaid:

You may have aids, but you see the truth now of Star Wars debating on Comicvine.

Sadly, that how it's always been on this forum. One "expert" says something, and everyone worships it like canon fact, without looking into it themselves.

@wollfmyth209 said:

@shootingnova@i_like_swords that's all you guys...

...see what I mean? Instead off building his own opinion; he ask the "experts" instead.....

-Vader has far and away superior telekinetic showings to Nadd.

- Vader's defensive capabilities and telepathic showings supersede Nadd's.

- Hype for Vader's raw power match Nadd's.

-Vader extensive knowledge in Sith Sorcery and will power, tells me he can resist whatever Nadd's throws at him.

*sits back and wait for Nova to post the New Testament*

Star Wars threads; where every disagreement warrants at least five gifs from bystanders.

:)

Round 1 might be close, but round two is a clear victory for Vader.

John Cena stomps round 3.

@dccomicsrule2011: My loyalty belongs to Nova and ILS. Gotta problem?

@wollfmyth209:

Who your loyalty sits with, has nothing to do with anything I've said in this thread.

Form your own opinions and been your OWN debater----I know it's pretty hard for someone of your debating caliber, but at least try.

^-^

Vader both rounds. What can Nadd do to win round 1?

According to people here; Nadd will pull out some sorcery Sith spell that Vader can't resist....but they can't name excatly what that spell is....and what it's effect would be....

*throws hands up*

@darthant66:

As it should be. The experts should be worshiped and the poor sacrificed for the obviously more important lives of the greats.

kek.

It's just a comic book forum, bro.

@dccomicsrule2011: You wish I'd address that.

@shootingnova:

That is why your number #1 fan, Wolff called you out here, right? Give it a whirl, I'm here all week.

@dccomicsrule2011: Does a celebrity respond to all his fans' mail? Does a god respond to every worshiper's prayers? Does a lord worry about the troubles of his servants?

Just joking, Wollf. I need to have my moments of showy arrogance, though - I can't leave it all to DC and ILS :P

@shootingnova:

Haha, fair enough.

Pardon me, but I'm a bit grumpy today, and it's 2:30 AM atm.

silly silly people

@wollfmyth209: When does round 2 start btw.

@sirfizzwhizz: As soon as my Nova thread is finished, apparently...

Never! It's time that the apprentice becomes the master.

@dccomicsrule2011

Form your own opinions and been your OWN debater

I usually just agree with all the expert debaters because, well I just agree with their opinions based on what I know. That and I dare not question the people who've wrecked me in debates.

I know it's pretty hard for someone of your debating caliber, but at least try.

EDIT: did you misspell my name AGAIN!?

Interesting fight. Vader would take sabers but if Nadd uses Dark side Tendrils (which he most likely knows, because his knowledge was the basis for Zannah's training in Sith Sorcery), Vader might very well be screwed, since those things are pure dark side energy (which to my knowledge can't be defended against), though I doubt he'd give Nadd the time to use them.

@dccomicsrule2011: Where was it stated/suggested he has extensive knowledge of Sith Sorcery? Sure, Vader taught one of his apprentices how to summons Smoke Demons (which is a ritual to begin with), but that's all.

After revoking through Vaders feats, collecting and reading various arcs with him, I feel Vader should win. He has 100+ ton feats in TK, and has shown the use of many other uniqe and exotic abilities witht the force from controled electricity ball to Illussions on Luke. He is more than formidable in Force and stated to be one of the most powerful Sith Lords.

Bump --- Nadd has gotten something of a raise as of late.

I still say Vader has this in the bag, if not because of his Force power, of his undeniably greater skill with a lightsaber will grant him a win.

Vader sweeps.

^

@deronn_solo: @wollfmyth209: What about Nadd being far more powerful than Naga Sadow a century before his prime?

@zapan871: Spirit Sadow, who would've been considerably less powerful than his usual self.

@wollfmyth209: How do you know that? And it was 100 years before Nadd's prime anyway. Though, I'm personally not that much impressed by Sadow.

@zapan871: Spirits are usually a lot less powerful than their normal selves. :Shrugs:

Vader wrecks.

@wollfmyth209: Not necessarily. And the point is: can Vader match or exceed being far above a Sith who caused solar flares?

Nadd is all hype, Vader wins