#1 Posted by Batman15 (291 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people say vader he can't beat him if he's the chosen one. If he's the chosen one can't he beat errrrybody!!!!!!???!!!!!!!!!

#2 Posted by TheSecondOpinion (625 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader:

  • Fighting Ability: 5
  • intelligence: 5
  • Stamina: 7
  • Endurance: 6
  • Strength: 6
  • Durability: 6
  • Speed: (travel) 2
  • Speed: (reaction) 5
  • Speed: (reflexes) 5
  • Energy Generate: 5
  • Mental Power: 4
  • CIS: 10

Nihilus:

  • Fighting Ability: 5
  • intelligence: 4
  • Stamina: 4
  • Endurance: 3
  • Strength: 4
  • Durability: 4
  • Speed: (travel) 2
  • Speed: (reaction) 5
  • Speed: (reflexes) 5
  • Energy Generate: 6
  • Mental Power: 5
  • PIS: 10
#3 Edited by kcaz (1379 posts) - - Show Bio

vadar's lightsaber skills isn't as good as when he was anikin, since he is a lot slower because of mechanical parts. even luke with limited training managed to land a few hits on him. anikin was the chosen one, but he never reached his potential i think because of padme. darth sidious realised that and seeked to replace vader with luke, but luke turned down his offer

#4 Posted by SNascimento (450 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader is like Superman, he will always find a way to win. Unless it's Revan he is facing.

#5 Posted by JediXMan (32048 posts) - - Show Bio

Anakin / Vader is immune to Nihilus' draining abilities. leaving Nihilus rather defenseless, since he relies on that. So... yeah.

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#6 Edited by DarkDay (636 posts) - - Show Bio

@kcaz said:

vadar's lightsaber skills isn't as good as when he was anikin, since he is a lot slower because of mechanical parts. even luke with limited training managed to land a few hits on him. anikin was the chosen one, but he never reached his potential i think because of padme. darth sidious realised that and seeked to replace vader with luke, but luke turned down his offer

Actually I'd say Vader was the chosen one. He was bringing balance back to The Force, not being the best man he could be. At the time, things were rather skewed in favor of the light side of the force and he brought back the dark side. And Luke brought back the light side once more. So seems pretty on point to me. I'm hardly a great Star Wars fan or anything, but the symbolism was always pretty blatant in my opinion.

If The Force is in all things and thus through extention is all things. Then logically The Force is both good and evil. And thus light and dark.

#7 Edited by ShootingNova (20614 posts) - - Show Bio

Nihilus is only more powerful than Vader in Drain, which Vader is immune to. So Vader stomps. Not to mention Vader fights faster than average Force-users (and most likely above) can even react, and Nihilus has only fought Meetra Surik (who is mediocre) as well as Surik's subordinates, such as Visas Marr, and a non-Force sensitive like Mandalore the Preserver.

@TheSecondOpinion said:

Vader:

  • Fighting Ability: 5
  • intelligence: 5
  • Stamina: 7
  • Endurance: 6
  • Strength: 6
  • Durability: 6
  • Speed: (travel) 2
  • Speed: (reaction) 5
  • Speed: (reflexes) 5
  • Energy Generate: 5
  • Mental Power: 4
  • CIS: 10

Nihilus:

  • Fighting Ability: 5
  • intelligence: 4
  • Stamina: 4
  • Endurance: 3
  • Strength: 4
  • Durability: 4
  • Speed: (travel) 2
  • Speed: (reaction) 5
  • Speed: (reflexes) 5
  • Energy Generate: 6
  • Mental Power: 5
  • PIS: 10

Stop posting these made-up statistics which are not even canon and aren't even correct (at least in regards to scaling with each other).

@SNascimento said:

Vader is like Superman, he will always find a way to win. Unless it's Revan he is facing.

This entire post is incorrect, LOL. Revan is just..... nowhere near as powerful as Vader.

#8 Posted by P0rtal (916 posts) - - Show Bio

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! How did nobody slam you for saying that. Tis' a sad sad day when so many feel Vader could be outclassed by anyone before him....ugh, my stomach hurts.

@kcaz said:

vadar's lightsaber skills isn't as good as when he was anikin, since he is a lot slower because of mechanical parts. even luke with limited training managed to land a few hits on him. anikin was the chosen one, but he never reached his potential i think because of padme. darth sidious realised that and seeked to replace vader with luke, but luke turned down his offer
#9 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader kills him in seconds.

#11 Posted by Freedon_nadd_1 (67 posts) - - Show Bio

"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger."―Visas Marr

Guys do you realize that you are seriously mistaking?!

First,Darth Nihilus was more than a Sith Lord,he was a Wound in the Force,a thing that defied the Force,but still was able to use it.

Wherever he crossed with the Ravager,planets were destroyed,worlds disappeared into oblivion,he drained them with only his simple presence,no ritual or sacrifices required to do that.

And Nihilus was bad with a lightsaber? Meetra Surik came to confront him with two after her as well,Visas Marr and Mandalore the Preserver. He held the Ravager "intact" to not fall appart,effortlessly. He didn't confront the Jedi Exile by herself,but she was with Visas which was an important key in their duel. After Visas broke her bond with Nihilus,he was weakened by that,plus that the Jedi Exile was a Wound too.

This battle is over from even to start because Nihilus consumes Darth Vader's vital force.

Almost none can beat Nihilus because he is a Wound in the Force,only the Ones are the exception.

And where the heck says that Vader is immune to Force drain?!

Even if he is,he's no match for Nihilus' unexplainable and unique Force drain... Vader can't resist to an abomination of nature,that easily destroyes planets only with his mere presence. I assume he can resist only to Force drain like that of Sion or Darth Malak if not amped by the Star Forge.

Conclusion:

Darth Nihilus>>>Darth Vader

Of course this doesn't make the Jedi Exile weak either... After all she took out by herself the entire Trayus Academy on Malachor 5,including Sion and Traya.

#12 Posted by LamLam (294 posts) - - Show Bio

That's a pretty good troll post.

But I'm going with Vader.

#13 Posted by DarthManhunter (1313 posts) - - Show Bio

So apparently Nihilus is now the most powerful Sith ever. Guess ya learn something new everyday...

Vader.

#14 Posted by TheVivas (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@lamlam said:

That's a pretty good troll post.

But I'm going with Vader.

#15 Posted by WollfMyth209 (787 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna go with Vader. He is immune to Drain to a point, but he's a much more skilled duelist, has superior TK, has superior combat speed and reflexes, while Nihilus has better travel speed(for whatever that's worth) and Drain(which wouldn't work in this case).

#16 Edited by ShootingNova (20614 posts) - - Show Bio

Nihilus's Drain's different origins to other characters doesn't stop it from having the same general effect and being blocked by the same technique, and just because the likes of Traya weren't aware of such a technique doesn't mean there is still no defense against it.

All Vader needs is a single failed Drain to weaken Nihilus and briefly stun him.

#17 Edited by Zapan87 (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Nihilus wins for a solid majority if not almost every time. Vader's drain resistance was only enough to resist the Dark Reaper, which could drain armies of their life force/Force connections, whereas Nihilus has drained entire planets which is most likely above Vader's defenses. Nihilus also has that Ravager feat, which, while off panel and requiring a nexus amp was also made more difficult by Malachor V's gravity, and would be above Vader's level, whose power only rivals Galen Marek's, someone who could manipulate a falling Star Destroyer, but not outright pull it out ot the sky. This would still probably put him in Nihilus' range as far as TK goes, but he doesn't have the means to resist the latter's Drain. Admittedly, however, if Vader managed to slash Nihilus before the latter can drain him, he could win.

#18 Posted by Freedon_nadd_1 (67 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthmanhunter: He's more than a Sith Lord... He is Sith in title,but I would call him "The Most Powerful Strange Force User".

But if we take the title as "Sith",yes he is,thanks for his massive draining ability and wherever he came,his mere presence "killed" the Force from a planet and the planet itself as well.

#19 Edited by Freedon_nadd_1 (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Who ever you put against Nihilus,he/she will always lose because Nihilus is a Wound in the Force,and a dangerous one. Those who can beat him are either the other Wounds(The Jedi Exile) or the Ones. Even if the opponent's skills in lightsaber forms are better than his.

Not to mention that Sidious' Death Star created the Wound in the Force, that according to Obi-Wan was like milions of voices suddenly screamed and were silenced just few seconds after....so Sidious' mechanical terror was far inferior to the Exile's/Bao-Dur's/Revan's Mass Shadow Generator which caused the birth of Nihilus as the consequence of its usage.

I repeat again:

Nihilus was defeated by another Wound in the Force(Jedi Exile) and her companions as well,which one was Visas Marr. And Meetra was able to defeat him because she was a Wound too,and when Visas broke her Force bound with Nihilus it had weakened him. Not to mention that with he froze them at once with a simple gesture,he also was capable to "hold" the Ravager "intact" while he fought with them.

Apart from Sidious,Vitiate or Exar Kun. None has ever demonstrated such immense Force drain ability(save for draining devices) I don't think Nihilus cannot be defeated just because he has an "invincible devouring mouth" He has good lightsaber feats as well.

Darth Sidious 1st:Byss(billions,but he needed time to do that,also he had to keep the inhabitants in a dream-state like to consume them,also his long presence turned Byss from a beautiful world in a strong dark side nexus)

Darth Vitiate 2nd:Nathema(millions aided by rituals+8000 Sith Lords that Vitiate bent them to his will,likely breaking their mind or their volition. Just like Byss,Nathema once known as Medriaas was a beautiful world,but because of Emperor's presence and actions,the planet was turned in a dark side nexus)

Exar Kun 3rd:Yavin 4(amped by the Sith amulets he acted a quick ritual that helped him to drain 8000 Massassi Warriors that gave him the chance to prolong his life millenia after the Old Sith,in the time of Luke Skywalker. Not that his presence alone turned Yavin 4 in dark side nexus,but played a major part in increasing the effects of the dark side on Yavin 4. Until Exar Kun's spirit and the dark side's effects over the moon were tainted by Luke Skywalker and the other Jedi)

#20 Edited by zaied (2759 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, but there are plenty of people who would beat Nihilus, and Vader is one of them.

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#21 Posted by WildBantha88 (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules of Nihilus makes him nearly unbeatable. Only Force wounds can resist his drain and he can drain entire planets, he gets stronger with everyone he kills, he can lift space ships out of gravity wells. Nihilus wins via unblockable drain on its own. Add in TK and lightning and it makes the "Sidious is the strongest Sith to ever exist" statement hard to believe some times

#22 Posted by WildBantha88 (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Nihilus's drain is a direct effect of him being a Force Wound and is unlike any other Force drain seen in the mythos. It effectively acts like a sever force and Force drain hybrid, and is stated by Kreia, the mother of all things force drain, to be unblockable. Despite this his Force drain doesn't work on other Force wounds and attempting to do such will only tire him. Being a Force wound means he cannot wield the Force naturally and instead he must either form Force bonds or kill force sensatives in order to use it. Each kill increases his power perminantly but the power and increase is Dependant on the strength of the person killed. Example, if he killed someone who was just a regular old farmer the power increase would be extremely small but if he killed Yoda the power increase would be great. Forming Force bonds is the best way of increasing your power, but if the bond dies or severs there connection to you, you loose the increase.

Thus is why he is so over powered. It is a bold claim to say a character is stronger than Sidious but just looking at the facts its also a true claim. The only saving grace is that, despite having a Sith tittle, he doesn't follow Sith teachings, instead just roaming the galaxy feeding on planets. So it is really up to debate if he is a TRUE Sith. So Sidious may still be the strongest Sith but Nihilus is the stronger character.

Nihilus being so strong is also the reason that after his game, SW canon almost refused to acknowledge his existence again. Aside from a few easter eggs here and their

#23 Posted by DarthManhunter (1313 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with you in that he was extremely powerful, but Sidious is his superior.

#24 Posted by Freedon_nadd_1 (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Nihilus's drain is a direct effect of him being a Force Wound and is unlike any other Force drain seen in the mythos. It effectively acts like a sever force and Force drain hybrid, and is stated by Kreia, the mother of all things force drain, to be unblockable. Despite this his Force drain doesn't work on other Force wounds and attempting to do such will only tire him. Being a Force wound means he cannot wield the Force naturally and instead he must either form Force bonds or kill force sensatives in order to use it. Each kill increases his power perminantly but the power and increase is Dependant on the strength of the person killed. Example, if he killed someone who was just a regular old farmer the power increase would be extremely small but if he killed Yoda the power increase would be great. Forming Force bonds is the best way of increasing your power, but if the bond dies or severs there connection to you, you loose the increase.

Thus is why he is so over powered. It is a bold claim to say a character is stronger than Sidious but just looking at the facts its also a true claim. The only saving grace is that, despite having a Sith tittle, he doesn't follow Sith teachings, instead just roaming the galaxy feeding on planets. So it is really up to debate if he is a TRUE Sith. So Sidious may still be the strongest Sith but Nihilus is the stronger character.

Nihilus being so strong is also the reason that after his game, SW canon almost refused to acknowledge his existence again. Aside from a few easter eggs here and their

Thanks for supporting my statement. As I said too Nihilus wasn't a true Sith,he was just in title,but if we go by title,then yes he's the strongest Sith Lord,until another character will step into the spotlights. I'm happy I am not the only one who had seen the true power of the "Reaper of the Force".

#25 Edited by Freedon_nadd_1 (67 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthmanhunter said:

I agree with you in that he was extremely powerful, but Sidious is his superior.

The only aspect which Darth Sidious is superior to him might be the lightsaber forms,other than that he isn't comparing to the feats of the Lord of Hunger.

I'm sick of it. Sidious up,Sidious down! WTF!? Sidious is a human creature after all,he has limits too!!! Now seriously,some of you think that he's stronger even than the Devil himself!?

I'm glad we get Darth Nihilus because I don't hear anymore that idea "Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord". Sidious may be the Angel of Darkness,but Nihilus is the Angel of Death(The Reaper of Force)

"I am the Supreme Master of the dark side of the Force Lord Nihilus,you will die inevitable."; "Oh yeah!? Well I mastered the power that kills it."-Darth Nihilus