Darth Vader vs Count Dooku

-Darth Vader from Episode 6.

-Count Dooku from Episode 3.

-Fight takes place where Vader dueled Obi-Wan in Episode 4.

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Vader, I'd say.

I mean he killed Dooku back in the day and should still be able pull such a thing off.

I'll take Vader.

Vader wins because I like him more.

[I know next to nothing about SW, you might want to keep that in mind. I'm thinking about rewatching the prequels though. ]

Count Dooku wins via Force Lightning

@cattlebattle said:

Count Dooku wins via Force Lightning

I would think that would fail so long as Vader has his weapon.

@cattlebattle: If Vader Could block the Lightning. He could win. Plus his skills and power has grown since Ep.3.

@cattlebattle said:

Count Dooku wins via Force Lightning

I would think that would fail so long as Vader has his weapon.

@cattlebattle:

All my knowledge comes from the movies.

*Flexes*

vader

@cattlebattle: If Vader Could block the Lightning. He could win. Plus his skills and power has grown since Ep.3.

I would like to hear JediX's take on this, just because I am partially undecided about this myself. Vader is more powerful and versatile than Dooku, but Dooku has impressed me slightly more as a duelist. However, Djem So, which is Vader's preferred lightsaber form, can be very difficult to defend against for a Makashi adept, which Tyranus is. So that could level a potential edge in saber proficiency or even possibly grant the edge to Vader. Vader being more powerful could tip the scales in his favor further, as he could employ powers such as Telekinesis (he has utilized TK in several of his duels) and possibly Alter Environment (as he did in his duel against Luke on Bespin). On the other hand, Dooku's Lightning has proven powerful enough to kill multiple Kiffar soldiers concurrently. If he manages to land a hit with it, that could slow Vader enough for him to win. I sincerely doubt Dooku would one-shot Vader with Lightning, as his Lightning has never shown to be especially powerful, and Vader has resisted electrical attacks before (such Purge: Seconds to Die when he withstood a high voltage electrical discharge from a net, for instance). But if the Count's Lightning hit, it would have an effect, even if not a fatal one. Now, Vader does have a lightsaber he can of course reflect it with. So, unless Dooku connects it the way he did against Sora Bulq at close range when Sora lost one of his lightsabers, Vader should be sufficiently defended.  

I might give Vader a small majority, but I'm not completely sure yet.

Vader tanked force lightning for quite a while in episode 6. It killed him sure, but not before he offed the person hitting him.

@cattlebattle:

All my knowledge comes from the movies.

*Flexes*

@cattlebattle: Yeah I know.....Well i suppose your right.

Vader tanked force lightning for quite a while in episode 6. It killed him sure, but not before he offed the person hitting him.

@Silver2467 said:

@Decoy Elite said:

Vader tanked force lightning for quite a while in episode 6. It killed him sure, but not before he offed the person hitting him.

This is true. And Palpatine's Lightning>>>>>>>>Dooku's Lightning.

Yeah, I'm pro Vader for now( then again I don't have EU knowledge on Dooku at all)

@cattlebattle: Although Vader has proven to be quiet effective in the suit. Especially on Kessel.

@cattlebattle: Although Vader has proven to be quiet effective in the suit. Especially on Kessel.

NOT TAKING SIDES YET.....but I believe it was said (ad/or implied as well) in theRise and Fall of Darth Vader that Vader is unable to utter or absorb force lightning due to his Cybernic form and loss of Midi Chlorians. (blocking it may be possible, though, I believe force lightning is different than a blaster bolt) The one time he did and may have been capable of absorbing it to my knowledge was when he came in contact with the Kaiburr Crystal and that didn't work out as planned. Also, would force lightning compromise his suit and life support and all that like at the end of the last battle? Or is it not really electricity so that wouldn't happen? Or is Dooku maybe not powerful enough to do that?

Again.. not taking sides. If anything I'm probs for Vader

Vader would take this. By episode 6 he's killed countless Jedi and amassed a number of years as a galactic ruler with Palpatine as Master.

@Silver2467 said:

@Decoy Elite said:

Vader tanked force lightning for quite a while in episode 6. It killed him sure, but not before he offed the person hitting him.

This is true. And Palpatine's Lightning>>>>>>>>Dooku's Lightning.

Yeah, I'm pro Vader for now( then again I don't have EU knowledge on Dooku at all)

• held his own against Yoda (he lost in every encounter he had with Yoda though even while amped)
• sparred as an equal with and beaten Mace Windu
• beaten Obi-Wan and Anakin consecutively
• beaten Tholme and Sora Bulq simultaneously
• beaten Quinlan Vos
• beaten Grievous several times
• beaten Asajj Ventress

• beaten the Dark Woman
• beaten Celeste Morne
• beaten Roan Shryne
• fought as an equal with Darth Maul
• fought as an equal with Luke 
• fought as an equal with Obi-Wan (whose skills had increased since Mustafar)
• effortlessly beaten five or six Jedi, two to three at a time in succession (basically a gauntlet of Jedi)
• beaten four out of eight Jedi; one of them killed another; the last three defeated Vader by combining their powers to hurl objects at him (this was shortly after RotS; so Vader was still new to his armor and substantially grew in power and skill later on)
• beaten countless other individual no-name Jedi and Dark Jedi (Bol Chatak, Sha Koon, Sardoth, Hylon, etc.)

vader breaks dooku's hip

I give great credit too dooku for this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lgO1UTjNnJc

I give great credit too dooku for this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lgO1UTjNnJc

@Silver2467: i thought it was good because right after this Savage was able to hold his own against kenobi and skywalker for a short amount of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OCuJwz0DQDA

Vadar all the way!

@Silver2467: i thought it was good because right after this Savage was able to hold his own against kenobi and skywalker for a short amount of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OCuJwz0DQDA

@Silver2467: Uh...Acutally your right. Althoug Dooku is still a very skilled duelist. Im mean look at those feats you listed out. I think if Vader can counter and withstand Dooku's lightning he could win.

@Silver2467: Uh...Acutally your right. Althoug Dooku is still a very skilled duelist. Im mean look at those feats you listed out. I think if Vader can counter and withstand Dooku's lightning he could win.

Grievous had been a delight to train, as well. No need to coax him to release his anger and rage, as Dooku had been forced to do during the training of his so-called Dark Jedi disciples. The Geonosians had arranged for Grievous to be nothing but anger and rage. And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

Master Windu was also known within the Order for his unusual fighting style, one that he developed after studying the dueling styles of various lightsaber masters. His attacks consisted of relentless, unpredictable blows, like shots from an autoblaster. Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective.

@Silver2467: Oh yes I see. Dooku was impressive. Most impressive. He might edge Vader in lightsaber combat and Force Lightning is very useful. He was also impressive against Obi-Wan and Anakin in Ep.3. I really like that Force move he did on Obi-Wan to knock him out. I think it's called Force Grip but It could be called something else. And when Dooku defeated Mace I think it was in sparring sessions when Dooku was a jedi wasn't it. Also I must do more research on Force Grip I remember someone telling me about a year ago that it was a Sith Force power only like Force Lightning. But my friend was wrong i think. And when you and I talked about Mace vs Dooku before we agreed there were equal but doesn't that prove Dooku's better sorry for going off topic there mate.

And that kick helarious :P

vader breaks dooku's hip

Hmmm what stops Dooku from locking blades with Vader and then use lightning in the infight? If that dosen´t work i think Vader takes it due to having more raw force power and his cyborg body enhances his strength wich is even better with him using Djem So.

@Stompa said:

Hmmm what stops Dooku from locking blades with Vader and then use lightning in the infight? If that dosen´t work i think Vader takes it due to having more raw force power and his cyborg body enhances his strength wich is even better with him using Djem So.

1. Because that would mean moving one of his hands off his blade and getting overpowered by Vader.

2. As I pointed out Vader can tank quite a bit of force lightning from a stronger Sith than Dooku.

Vader. He had enough resilience to take the lightning of the emperor, then throw him in the heart of the deathstar and he killed Dooku when he was young. Maybe not easy as it seems, but he will kill Dooku.

@Silver2467: Oh yes I see. Dooku was impressive. Most impressive. He might edge Vader in lightsaber combat and Force Lightning is very useful. He was also impressive against Obi-Wan and Anakin in Ep.3. I really like that Force move he did on Obi-Wan to knock him out. I think it's called Force Grip but It could be called something else.

And when Dooku defeated Mace I think it was in sparring sessions when Dooku was a jedi wasn't it. And when you and I talked about Mace vs Dooku before we agreed there were equal but doesn't that prove Dooku's better sorry for going off topic there mate.

1. Because that would mean moving one of his hands off his blade and getting overpowered by Vader.

@Silver2467: Ah yes, I see. I like Force Grip. Although I wonder if there is a way to counter it like When Obi-Wan Was Gripped by Dooku is there a way to break out of it. The only evidence I have ever seen is Starkiller using Force Repulse to break out of Force Grip when Vader did it to him.

And I apologize I will not go off-topic again.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Stompa said:

Hmmm what stops Dooku from locking blades with Vader and then use lightning in the infight? If that dosen´t work i think Vader takes it due to having more raw force power and his cyborg body enhances his strength wich is even better with him using Djem So.

1. Because that would mean moving one of his hands off his blade and getting overpowered by Vader.

2. As I pointed out Vader can tank quite a bit of force lightning from a stronger Sith than Dooku.

1. It´s not like it takes him very long to take his hand of and unleashing his lightning.

2. Yes Vader can tank some lightning it still scrambels with his cyborg parts and hurts him way more then a biological opponent and would rob him of a lot of his strength for some time.

@Stompa: 1. It won't be enough to take down Vader if it doesn't take long plus,

2. Palpatine's Force Lightning > Dooku's Force Lightning. If Vader can tank that long enough to kill Palpatine the same is true for Dooku.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Stompa: 1. It won't be enough to take down Vader if it doesn't take long plus,

2. Palpatine's Force Lightning > Dooku's Force Lightning. If Vader can tank that long enough to kill Palpatine the same is true for Dooku.

It don´t think it should one-shot Vader but he is way more vulnerabel to electrical attacks then other opponents and by using this he could gain a great advantage considered that should be pretty equal in a lightbsaber skills.

@Stompa said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Stompa: 1. It won't be enough to take down Vader if it doesn't take long plus,

2. Palpatine's Force Lightning > Dooku's Force Lightning. If Vader can tank that long enough to kill Palpatine the same is true for Dooku.

It don´t think it should one-shot Vader but he is way more vulnerabel to electrical attacks then other opponents and by using this he could gain a great advantage considered that should be pretty equal in a lightbsaber skills.

And I think taking even the small amount of time needed to use said attacks would give Vader the edge.

Dooku is the better duelist here, Vader's edge here is his style and sheer power.

@Silver2467: Ah yes, I see. I like Force Grip. Although I wonder if there is a way to counter it like When Obi-Wan Was Gripped by Dooku is there a way to break out of it. The only evidence I have ever seen is Starkiller using Force Repulse to break out of Force Grip when Vader did it to him.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Stompa said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Stompa: 1. It won't be enough to take down Vader if it doesn't take long plus,

2. Palpatine's Force Lightning > Dooku's Force Lightning. If Vader can tank that long enough to kill Palpatine the same is true for Dooku.

It don´t think it should one-shot Vader but he is way more vulnerabel to electrical attacks then other opponents and by using this he could gain a great advantage considered that should be pretty equal in a lightbsaber skills.

And I think taking even the small amount of time needed to use said attacks would give Vader the edge.

Dooku is the better duelist here, Vader's edge here is his style and sheer power.

Well i think that´s the point where we disagree i think that would give the edge to Dooku.

Both have mastered their favourite style and are very good duelists but i agree that if one is better it would propably be Dooku. Force power clearly goes to Vader.

@Stompa: How? Vader has tanked force lightning before and has an edge with sheer power. Letting up in order to performed force lightning would get Dooku killed and wouldn't really be effective enough to quickly kill Vader.

Indeed, but Vader's style is very unique(and thus would be tricky for Dooku to counter) and I think Silver said it goes well against Dooku's personal style. So I think things even out from a dueling perspective

I think Silver said it goes well against Dooku's personal style.

Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen. His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head.

Vader wrecks the Dookster

@Silver2467: Oh yes, So once Dooku got Obi-Wan in Force Grip there was no way to break out of it.

And you talked about Djem so there.

Do you think Mace Windu would have the physical stats to use Djem So

Sorry for going off-topic yet again..

@Silver2467: Oh yes, So once Dooku got Obi-Wan in Force Grip there was no way to break out of it.

And you talked about Djem so there.

Do you think Mace Windu would have the physical stats to use Djem So

Sorry for going off-topic yet again..

Vader takes this. He already beat dooku in episode 3 and since then he has learnt how to use the dark side of the force as well as the light.

@Silver2467: Ah yes I see. Thanks. This thread is getting interesting as both Vader and Dooku appear quite even...