Darth Sidious vs Superman

1. Opponents cannot interfere during prep.

2. Even if he could do that, all that would happen is that Palpatine would use Essence Transfer again. Superman has no way of keeping him down.

@djangophile:

Superman can hear Palaptine plotting and planning from a solar system length away

Hmm that's interesting show me Superman doing this? Regardless they can't interfere with each other during prep any way so it's a moot point.

and would just laser eyes him from the same distance

lol show me Superman heat vision working a solar system away, anyway it's not like it matter Palpatine would just possess him. Despite what @lvenger claimed the Essence transfer is not conventional possession as I pointed out already it is a battle of 2 wills which Palpatine would no doubt stomp him in since he has been able to come back from the Void via pure will power alone. Not to mention Superman has no way of banishing his Sith essence at all (which lvenger never even addressed in the thread)

@uberhikari

:my bad for the scans being unreadable. some of the scans are readable( a little) but the scans show him doing the feat and the uploader is explaining what happened in the scans. Superman has heat vision that could repair space itself in the the video

go to page 4 Superman had used the knowledge from Zatanna to overcome magic

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=497158&pagenumber=1

There's a Pre Flashpoint defense I can make against your claim but that doesn't apply here. I still disagree that the essence transfer falls under any kind of sorcery when application of such powers seem to fall under manipulation of the world around them rather than tapping into any specific mystical energy.

Essence Transfer falls under Sith Sorcery, if memory serves. I would have to double check, but I've loaned out some of my source books. If it does officially fall under Sorcery, then it is a non-debatable fact.

If we're taking about mystic energy, all Force Powers require that. They have to utilize energy outside themselves; it's not simply internal. This is how Sever Force works: the user surrounds the victim in a wall of light energy, cutting them off from their external power source. The Force requires both internal and external energy. So if this is the requirement for magic, the Force fits the description.

I've checked some wikis and it does. And whilst Pre Flashpoint Superman has defenses against that, New 52 Superman does not. But I don't follow your logic that all Force Powers are magical in nature. You can just as well make that case for many other kind of powers too I'm afraid. So whilst there may be a kind of 'sorcery' aspect to the Force, I still hold that the Force in general is not a wholly mystical power source that can specifically harm Superman.

I did not say that the Force itself was magical. I said that the argument could be made. My primary argument is that Sorcery and some of the more arcane aspects of the Force are closer to magic.

I'm not debating it for the sake of the Superman vs Palpatine debate, but the Force does involve spirits, the afterlife (good and evil), external energy, life force energy, nature, and many other aspects that are shared with magic. I don't see why it should be treated differently. Again: I'm treating this as a separate discussion from the Superman debate.

Fine, we're getting off topic from the actual debate at hand anyway. It's actually quite silly for me to question you because next to Silver, you're the best Star Wars expert on the site so I'll take your word for it.

@thedarklordpandamonium: Even with 20 hours prep he fails. Superman can heat vision his a** in half

@leonkarlen123: You're a bit late lol

@djangophile:

No he can't because sound doesn't travel through a vacuum. And sidious isn't one to talk about his plans out loud unless he is at his moment of victory.

Palpatine ftw

With 20 hrs prep Sidious no doubt wins.

Palpatine stomps.

Yeah Supes can blitz him but it's pointless because as stated before dying isn't much to Palpatine.

Superman has resisted possession in the past though, I think the only way Kal is going to win is if He calls up MM or other Psychics and Wizards to help him. MM would be able to tell who Palpatine possessed.This is of course is pertaining that others would be involved in the fight through possession. I think it'd be fair to give Clark some time during the next possession.

Darth Sidious wins.

Darth Sidious wins and gets a younger body.

Our debate showed otherwise remember? At least in a random encounter with both combatants going all out ;)

@jokerpoker: What would Sidious do with that prep? sit in a corner and cry for the waiting of death?

@faymousinus: Yeah :( wanted to say Supes win

@leonkarlen123: he has tons of resources that he'd gather.

@jokerpoker: Isn't his main thing his lightsaber and Force lightning? (Supes has tanked lightning from SHAZAM so it wont be a problem)

@leonkarlen123: here are some of his powers:

Animation

Blast Power

Cosmic Awareness

Danger Sense

Electricity Control

Energy Absorption

Energy Manipulation

Force Field

Hypnosis

Immortal

Insanely Rich

Intellect

Invisibility

Leadership

Levitation

Magic

Magnetism

Mesmerize

Necromancy

Possession

Precognition

Psionic

Psychic

Siphon Lifeforce

Soul Absorption

Stamina

Super Speed

Super Strength

Swordsmanship

Telekinesis

Telepathy

Teleport

Time Travel

Tracking

@jokerpoker: Yea i forgot about the most. Haven't read SW in maybe 5 years, i can see he absorbs energy from Kryptonite and he stomps and his speed doesn't come close to Supes neither strength

@leonkarlen123: who are you saying stomps?

@heinrich7: Blitz him? Its a long time since ive read some Superman comics but can Supes move at relativistic speeds?

@jokerpoker: Im pretty sure he has more powers than that.

Alchaka

Art of Movement

Breath Control

Detoxify Poison

Flashburn

Force Body

Force Comprehension

Force Concealment

Force Enlightenment

Force Ghost

Force Healing

Force speed

Hibernation Trance

Morichro

Tapas

Force Listening

Force Meld

Force Seeing

Force Sense

Precognition

Battle Precognition

Shatterpoint

Psychometry

Force Empathy

Farseeing

Force Vision

Telepathy

Comprehend Speech

Alter Damage

Alter Image

Alter Environment

Animal Friendship

Battle Meditation

Combustion

Crucitorn

Dark Transfer

Deadly Sight

Dopplegänger

Drain Knowledge

Droid Disable

Electric Judgment

Force Bellow

Force Blinding

Force Cloak

Force Confusion

Force Defend

Force Deflection

Force Destruction

Force drain

Force Fear

Force Horror

Force Insanity

Force Flash

Force Flight

Force Illusion

Force Jump/Leap

Force Light

Force Lightning

Chain Lightning

Shock

Force Storm (lightning)

Wall of Light

Force Orb

Force Persuasion

Force Projection

Force Pull/ Push

Force Scream

Force Stun

Force Stasis

Force Stasis Field

Force Slow

Force Affliction

Force Plague

Force Storm (wormhole)

Force Subjugate

Force Suppression

Force Breach

Force Throw

Force Travel

Force Wave

Force Repulse

Force Weapon

Force Whirlwind

Force Whisper

Pyrokinesis

Force Wound

Force Choke

Force Grip

Force Crush

Kinetite

Levitation

Malacia

Mechu-deru

Midichlorian Manipulation

Mind Control

Mind Trick

Protection Bubble

Plant Surge

Ray

Revitalize

Sever Force

Sith Alchemy

Spear of Midnight Black

Spirit Transference

Telekinesis

Got this from Silver2467

@faymousinus: Kryptonians can move several times FTL. Infact Clark doesn't even go regular light speed because it'd damage the planet.

Superman can precieve things on a nanosecond basis. Read an entire library in minutes. And is able to see at an atomic scale and see the electromagnetic sphere.

Palpatine's saving grace is His possessing abilities. One body alone He gets his brains flung out by one tap on the forehead before the Neurons in his brain even fire off.

Though without the force Clark can't really kill Him.

Thank you thread for reminding me why I hate the EU so much

@faymousinus: lol tell me about it.

Meh.

Even though I lost, in votes, I still stand firm that Palpatine would defeat Superman.

You say this because.....?

@dccomicsrule2011: Because from what I can tell the EU turned every Force user into Jesus and made a laundry list of bad decisions with the characters

The point of me posting "You say this because.....?" was because I wanted to know what this had to do what the thread at hand - I couldn't care less what you think of the EU, with that grossly nonessential generalization of yours to boot.

@dccomicsrule2011: Because EVERY post in this thread is 100% on topic with the battle. Also I'd say Supes stomps if Palpatine isn't in EU God Mode

@nicksmi56:

Because EVERY post in this thread is 100% on topic with the battle

Ummm...... That's the point of this thread? O__o

This thread was created for people to discuss the outcome of Superman vs Palpatine - not to bash the EU with nonessential generalizations.

Sidious - because Superman can't permanently kill him. This is why Essence Transfer is horrible for battles. Superman has no way of affecting Palpatine's essence while Sidious could just Wormhole or TP Superman and rip him a new one.

There's so much complaining about the EU every time Palpatine/Luke are brought up. Seriously, that's irrelevant to this thread and it's unnecessary. You can debate that nonsense elsewhere.

@dccomicsrule2011: Oh please. I've seen battle threads where people literally pop in and say "What is....I don't even." I gave you an answer and I'm really not in the best mood. Go bother them. Yes I think EU is crap. Deal

Well, if this is N52 Superman, then it's a terrible stomp for Sidious. Superman has no answer for his TP or Essence Transfer or Force Storm at all, and will never be able to kill him.

@dccomicsrule2011: You don't need to entertain him any longer, or the thread will become more and more off-topic.

@nicksmi56:

Oh please. I've seen battle threads where people literally pop in and say "What is....I don't even."

Most of the time those threads have literally zero discussion battles whatsoever, mainly because they are either stomp threads or spite ones.

I gave you an answer and I'm really not in the best mood.

I think you are confusing what I'm even talking about.

I replied to you because you came in this thread and posted nonessential generalization which really had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Go bother them.

Go bother who?

Yes I think EU is crap. Deal

I care because.....?

I agree with this post 100%

Pfft at this thread.

All these unnecessary comments need to stop. They aren't contributing anything to the thread.

@shootingnova: Actually I think he's the one dragging it off topic. I just said my piece and left. He's the one starting an argument.

@dccomicsrule2011:

Check out the newest comment. I rest my case

@nicksmi56:

Meh. Whatever.

@nicksmi56: It doesn't matter who is dragging it off-topic. The discussion is irrelevant, contributes nothing to the thread, and needs to stop.

This sort of rubbish goes in the General Discussion or Off-topic section.

True

@shootingnova: Yes, this is unnecessary, but there's nothing do discuss in this thread. ^^

@jammen:

I would love for your to enlighten me on how Superman stomps this one.

@jammen: So you have nothing but nonsensical nonsense - and a rather funny sense of self-importance?

Alrighty then.