@eisenfauste:
You seem to have missed where I said I'm looking at this from a combat perspective. Of course 2 or 3 feats don't display all what a character is fully able to do. But combat applicable feats sure as heck show what they've done in battles and very well what they could do again in another battle. What plagueis is able to do in a controlled environment i.e. manipulating midichlorians and meditating to shift the balance of the force honestly has no bearing to this combat perspective I'm speaking of.
I'm not saying his midichlorian manipulation is necessarily a combative power, though considering the progress he made in terms of healing his own body and achieving immortality it's not implausible at all. When Sidious was killing him, Plagueis was actively healing himself, it's just Sidious' lightning was killing him too quickly, which is more than understandable.
My main point is that Plagueis is evidently very powerful, which you seem to be agreeing with without agreeing...
Never said it wouldn't.
Right, so having agreed that Plagueis is indeed very powerful, and this will help him in combat, what point are you really trying to make?
Except you alluded that plagueis is more powerful than his feats suggest simply because he has an inherent talent at learning force techniques and has displayed an arguably pridigious knowledge of the inner workings of the force.
You'd do well not to try and quote my argument for me. Having said that I'm not suggesting he's more powerful than his feats suggest him to be; his feats actually do a good job of that themselves. But his immense knowledge of the Force from both his Banite lineage and his study into midichlorians - the very building blocks of the Force itself - again, are a testament to his power. You come off as if you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
See and now you're taking my comment out of context. Let me put it into context for you, in relation to the idea that plagueis is notSidious calibre is simply from a combat angle.
And your only argument for Plagueis not being Sidious calibre "combatively" is that you seem to believe he hasn't got overt combat feats that are easy to grasp and trust like other characters. A thought process I pretty much detest when a reasonable argument can be made otherwise, and also one that isn't really true to begin with, because while scarce Plagueis does have fantastic combat showings.
Anyway I didn't think I had to make everything black and white with you but here's this.
You are hilarious.
I do take into context battle feats
>suggests that I need to be spoken to in a dumbed down manner
>"context battle feats"
Whatever, dude. Keep making a fool of yourself.
Taking Plagueis feats in context still shows he isn't of sidious calibre. Even below Yoda as well.
I didn't say he was on-par with either, just approachable.
It say's Plagueis did "everything but disintegrate them".
You clearly haven't even read the passage, nor do you know what disintegrate means. It says Plagueis "all but atomized" the assassins; atomizing meaning reducing something to atoms. Disintegrating something means to reduce it to many small pieces, which isn't the same as atomizing. Hope that was black and white enough for ya.
And considering he is a Sith Lord whom have shown to literally thrive on pain and pull incredibly power from it I'm not surprised he was capable of this in his poor form.
This stops being a fair point when you choose to actively ignore that not only was he suffering from major, major organ damage and blood loss, which is well past drawing on pain, but even the text from the fight itself tells us that he was devoting much of his energy to just staying alive.
As to which people below Yoda that could match this? Hmmm Starkiller, Caedus ( I still don't believe he's below Yoda ;P), Exar (possibly), as well as a few others come to mind......
And I suppose you've got a compelling argument for any of them disintegrating 12 armored beings while suffering from equivalent injuries to Plagueis, right?
At what point does said knowledge and mastery show X character being approachable to X character? At that point it is up to interpretation, and therein lies the problem with how you have presented Plagueis is Sidious calibre. It can be interpreted to varying degree's from different perspectives. Not exactly the most concrete way to discuss capabilities IMO.
If Plagueis wasn't also sporting feats like successfully engaging the fracking Force in a tug of war, disintegrating armored beings while devoting most of his energy to surviving extensive organ failure, and so on, then nah, I wouldn't suggest knowledge alone makes him Sidious-tier. Luckily he has both, and both allude to him being very high tier. I understand if you want to disagree but at least make a good argument for it instead of whatever you want to call this.
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