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#1 Posted by mrbobdobalina (1155 posts) - - Show Bio

Whatever are their most powerful incarnations, those are the versions in this battle. 
 
I am pretty sure Darkseid's most powerful incarnation is Pre-Crisis(correct me if I am wrong). Can someone let me know about Sidious' most powerful incarnation? 
 
  


#2 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio

How far apart do they start? As far as I'm concerned, it's more or less who it's first.  

Palpatine's most powerful incarnation is this: 

 



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#3 Posted by mrbobdobalina (1155 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" How far apart do they start? As far as I'm concerned, it's more or less who it's first.  

Palpatine's most powerful incarnation is this: 

 
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So distance really matters in this fight? Why?
#4 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina: 
 
Because if Darkseid can hit Palpatine with the Omega Sanction, I think he'd win (not sure he could transfer his soul to escape that). However, based on what I've seen, the Omega Sanction is not lightning fast. If Palpatine is able to hit Darkseid with Force Storm before being hit with the sanction, he'd win. Well, he might win the way Batman won.... depends.
 
Hmm. I wonder if Palpatine could possess Darkseid?
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#5 Posted by GreenLantern555 (2169 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @mrbobdobalina:   Because if Darkseid can hit Palpatine with the Omega Sanction, I think he'd win (not sure he could transfer his soul to escape that). However, based on what I've seen, the Omega Sanction is not lightning fast. If Palpatine is able to hit Darkseid with Force Storm before being hit with the sanction, he'd win. Well, he might win the way Batman won.... depends. Hmm. I wonder if Palpatine could possess Darkseid? "
But how fast is the Force Storm? I also think that Darkseid's mind may be greater than Palpatine, IMO.
#6 Posted by mrbobdobalina (1155 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @mrbobdobalina:   Because if Darkseid can hit Palpatine with the Omega Sanction, I think he'd win (not sure he could transfer his soul to escape that). However, based on what I've seen, the Omega Sanction is not lightning fast. If Palpatine is able to hit Darkseid with Force Storm before being hit with the sanction, he'd win. Well, he might win the way Batman won.... depends. Hmm. I wonder if Palpatine could possess Darkseid? "
So, they both start 100 feet away. Now what? 
 
Also, would prep for Darkseid give him an edge? 
 
Also, is there a name for this incarnation of Sidious (i.e. like they have for "Pre-Crisis Darkseid". Is this like "Post-Movie Palpatine" or something?) 
 
Also, Palpatine in this incarnation, what is he capable of?
#7 Posted by Dracade102 (8126 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

#8 Posted by mattek (1119 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wipes the floor with Palpatine.

#9 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@GreenLantern555 said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @mrbobdobalina:   Because if Darkseid can hit Palpatine with the Omega Sanction, I think he'd win (not sure he could transfer his soul to escape that). However, based on what I've seen, the Omega Sanction is not lightning fast. If Palpatine is able to hit Darkseid with Force Storm before being hit with the sanction, he'd win. Well, he might win the way Batman won.... depends. Hmm. I wonder if Palpatine could possess Darkseid? "
But how fast is the Force Storm? I also think that Darkseid's mind may be greater than Palpatine, IMO. "
Fast enough to travel through multiple systems. But how fast it takes to accumulate.... eh..... I guess a few seconds. That's why I said that it depends on how far apart they are.
 
Also, does Palpatine get any of his clones?
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#10 Posted by GreenLantern555 (2169 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @GreenLantern555 said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @mrbobdobalina:   Because if Darkseid can hit Palpatine with the Omega Sanction, I think he'd win (not sure he could transfer his soul to escape that). However, based on what I've seen, the Omega Sanction is not lightning fast. If Palpatine is able to hit Darkseid with Force Storm before being hit with the sanction, he'd win. Well, he might win the way Batman won.... depends. Hmm. I wonder if Palpatine could possess Darkseid? "
But how fast is the Force Storm? I also think that Darkseid's mind may be greater than Palpatine, IMO. "
Fast enough to travel through multiple systems. But how fast it takes to accumulate.... eh..... I guess a few seconds. That's why I said that it depends on how far apart they are.  Also, does Palpatine get any of his clones? "
I think the Omega Sanction would be faster just because there is no prep for it. He just sends them out.
#11 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina:

1. Hmm..... eh....... well, Batman was about ten feet from him and it took like three seconds to hit him (Batman had enough time to fire the gun, release his grip on the gun, and say "Gotcha" before it reached him, so I'm assuming like three seconds - though two might be closer). So at that rate, I guess it would take 30 seconds (3 seconds to travel ten feet. So multiply that by another 90 feet, so that'd be thirty seconds). That might be enough. However, the Omega Sanction - I believe - continues to seek its target even if Darkseid is dead or gone. So I think both might die, or Palpatine wins by default since he might hit first. 
2. I don't know. 
3. Most people refer to him as EU (Expanded Universe) Palpatine. Or Dark Empire Palpatine (Dark Empire is the comic where he performed his best feats). 
4. Create worm holes (for destruction or transporting others), draining an entire planet's population over years, transferring his soul, and others.
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#12 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.  On a side-note, that picture of Palpatine is hilarious.  He looks like the lead guitarist of a Danish black metal band.

#13 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina:
@JediXMan said:
" @mrbobdobalina:

1. Hmm..... eh....... well, Batman was about ten feet from him and it took like three seconds to hit him (Batman had enough time to fire the gun, release his grip on the gun, and say "Gotcha" before it reached him, so I'm assuming like three seconds - though two might be closer). So at that rate, I guess it would take 30 seconds (3 seconds to travel ten feet. So multiply that by another 90 feet, so that'd be thirty seconds). That might be enough. However, the Omega Sanction - I believe - continues to seek its target even if Darkseid is dead or gone. So I think both might die, or Palpatine wins by default since he might hit first.  2. I don't know.  3. Most people refer to him as EU (Expanded Universe) Palpatine. Or Dark Empire Palpatine (Dark Empire is the comic where he performed his best feats).  4. Create worm holes (for destruction or transporting others), draining an entire planet's population over years, transferring his soul, and others."

Alright but wasn't Pre Crisis DS >PC Supes. 
 
 
If that's the case I don't see Sidious winning ay all. 
 
 
I also thought that SF Darkseid was more powerful.
#14 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder: 
 
No idea. In all honesty, I'm speaking of current Darkseid. Don't know much about pre-retcon DS.
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#15 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina: Ok,I thought about SF Darksied for a bit and he's surely stronger than any other Darksied incarnation.
@JediXMan:
Alright. I'll try to post some of Darksied's higer end feats. 
 
 
For everyone,Darksied (SF) fought the Source and put up a very good fight. 
 
 
 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 
    
#16 Posted by GreenLantern555 (2169 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder: @JediXMan: PC Darkseid was quite literally a "god." He could take PC Supes and  smash him down into a pea with two fingers. PC Darkseid was too good.
#17 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@GreenLantern555:
I thought so :P
#18 Posted by mrbobdobalina (1155 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Hey, does SW have any TOAA level beings?
#19 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

Star Wars has no beings on the cosmic level that I've ever heard of.  Darth Nihilus maybe, in a limited sense, and the outsiders who forged the Corellian system.  Even fully powered Luke and Dark Empire Palpatine aren't what I would call cosmic.

#20 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina:
@Alexander Anderson said:
"Star Wars has no beings on the cosmic level that I've ever heard of.  Darth Nihilus maybe, in a limited sense, and the outsiders who forged the Corellian system.  Even fully powered Luke and Dark Empire Palpatine aren't what I would call cosmic. "

I wouldn't really consider any Star Wars character Surfer level. 
 
The force as a whole would probably be around universal Eternity.
#21 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder said:
" @mrbobdobalina:
@Alexander Anderson said:
"Star Wars has no beings on the cosmic level that I've ever heard of.  Darth Nihilus maybe, in a limited sense, and the outsiders who forged the Corellian system.  Even fully powered Luke and Dark Empire Palpatine aren't what I would call cosmic. "
I wouldn't really consider any Star Wars character Surfer level.  The force as a whole would probably be around universal Eternity. "
Yeah, that's sort of how I look at it.  Nihilus could cause planetary level devastation, but he was a one trick pony.  And he's about as powerful as a force-user has ever been.  Certainly not even low Herald level.
#22 Posted by God_Spawn (38292 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid definitley palpatine is strong in his universe but the omega beams darkseid's strength durability surpass sidious's intelligence maybe the same but unless sidious possesses darkseid or has clones i dont see him doing much
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#23 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder: That's an empowered Darkseid. He can't stand up to the Source under any circumstances.
#24 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom said:
" @Pr_Beyonder: That's an empowered Darkseid. He can't stand up to the Source under any circumstances. "

I know,but the OP wanted the most powerful incarnation of Darkseid,so I provided him with what I saw as the most powerful incarnation.
#25 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder said:
" @AtPhantom said:
" @Pr_Beyonder: That's an empowered Darkseid. He can't stand up to the Source under any circumstances. "
I know,but the OP wanted the most powerful incarnation of Darkseid,so I provided him with what I saw as the most powerful incarnation. "
Yeah, but that's not an incarnation. that's Darkseid with a plot device.
#26 Posted by Pr_Beyonder (2429 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom:
So I'm assuming in comics incarnation would reffer to mainstream characters in realtion to different timelines,i.e PR Owen Reece and current molecule man,but Thanos with HOTU or IG wouldn't be. 
 
Is that correct :) ?
#27 Posted by Prince of Saiyans (2059 posts) - - Show Bio

The hell........ 
DS stomps

#28 Posted by Prince of Saiyans (2059 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt DS needs the SFF here

#29 Posted by mrbobdobalina (1155 posts) - - Show Bio

We need either JediX or Silver in here. They are Star Wars experts. If there is an argument to be made for Sidious, they can make one.

#30 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pr_Beyonder said:
" @AtPhantom: So I'm assuming in comics incarnation would reffer to mainstream characters in realtion to different timelines,i.e PR Owen Reece and current molecule man,but Thanos with HOTU or IG wouldn't be.  Is that correct :) ? "
Correct.
 
@mrbobdobalina said:
" We need either JediX or Silver in here. They are Star Wars experts. If there is an argument to be made for Sidious, they can make one. "

There really isn't one, at least IMO. Pre Crisis Darkseid has teleported planets and mind controlled billions of people across thousands of lightyears. Modern Darkseid has torn universes apart just by force of will. The omega effect can go across any obstacle, hit anything, and is faster than Palpatine can track him. This is a clean victory for DS.
#31 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrbobdobalina said:

" We need either JediX or Silver in here. They are Star Wars experts. If there is an argument to be made for Sidious, they can make one. "

I'm still here.
 
@mrbobdobalina said:

" @JediXMan: Hey, does SW have any TOAA level beings? "

One could, in theory, say "The Force itself" is TOAA.
 
The Bedlam Spirits (NOT to be confused with Force Ghosts, people. Different things) are "omnipotent," but are childlike and don't really understand their full power. They occasionally do things by accident rather than intent. They showed casual matter / energy manipulation, time warping, etc. So you could include them (I'm on a quest to bring unknown Star Wars characters into the spotlight, by the way)
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#32 Posted by Reactor (2649 posts) - - Show Bio

I absolutely love seeing Star Wars in the battle forums, but PC Darkseid would dominate Darth Sidious, even EU Sidious.

#33 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor said:
" I absolutely love seeing Star Wars in the battle forums, but PC Darkseid would dominate Darth Sidious, even EU Sidious. "
Most likely, yes.
 
I was basing my opinion on current Darkseid, as it's the version I know better.
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#34 Posted by Silver2467 (16387 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.  
 
Come on, man. 

#35 Posted by WoundingFactor (172 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: And there's always Abeloth, who (despite going out like a punk) probably had the closest to "cosmic" level Force powers.
#36 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" Darkseid.   Come on, man.  "
What? I said that it would probably be a stalemate, but only if Force Storm takes less than thirty or twenty seconds to manifest. I know nothing of PR Darkseid; I was basing this off FC Darkseid. It took the Omega Sanction - from my calculations - two to three seconds to reach Batman, who was 10ft away. If this is 100 feet, it would take 20-ish seconds to hit Palpatine. But it won't stop. So it would be a stalemate, since Palpatine would still get hit.
 
I think in the end I said Darkseid would win.
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#37 Posted by Silver2467 (16387 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said: 
What? I said that it would probably be a stalemate, but only if Force Storm takes less than thirty or twenty seconds to manifest. I know nothing of PR Darkseid; I was basing this off FC Darkseid. It took the Omega Sanction - from my calculations - two to three seconds to reach Batman, who was 10ft away. If this is 100 feet, it would take 20-ish seconds to hit Palpatine. But it won't stop. So it would be a stalemate, since Palpatine would still get hit.  I think in the end I said Darkseid would win. "
Pre-Crisis Darkseid was basically a skyfather. Also, when he attacked BatMan, he was severely weakened. As for Force Storm, I doubt it took that long. It never seemed to anyway. He conjured one while aboard his ship that never seemed to take that long. Still though, I really cannot see Sidious even hurting Darkseid. Although I do also question what Darkseid could do to Sidious's Essence, I just really do not see Sidious possessing or harming Darkseid. 
#38 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: 
 
Huh. Sorry, I need to read Final Crisis again. I heard if you didn't read certain tie-ins (like Legion of 3 Worlds), you won't understand it. And... well I didn't, and therefore it confused me. I still don't get the part with the people being turned into ice cubes....
 
The Omega Sanction affects the body and the soul. 
 
So I'm going with Darkseid.
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#39 Posted by Push (1552 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
"How far apart do they start? As far as I'm concerned, it's more or less who it's first.  

Palpatine's most powerful incarnation is this: 

 
 
"

imo, there's nothing Sidious could do to Darkseid that would mortally wound him. imo, Darkseid is so far above Darth Sidious in sheer strength, power, both physicall and abstact, not to mention that Darth Sadious has absolutely nothing to counter the Omega Sanction, so, depending on what Darkseid wanted to do to Sidious, if he was in a lenient mood, he could just bfr him out of his site, contain him with his OB like he did to Hank in Doomsday: Hunter/Prey and use Sidious as he wishes, or just plain outright destroy him.
#40 Posted by MrDestroyer187 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkside GODOMP'S Darth Sidious so HARD that theres nothing left but Dust Ash Clusters floating in space 

#41 Posted by Push (1552 posts) - - Show Bio

That is a nice pic, but he has the Soulfire there, and is not Darkseid as usually portrayed.
#42 Posted by m0ntyb0y (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins with his Omega thingy

#43 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid see Darth Sidious - Darkseid becomes his slave. Sidious in a stomp. Darkseid cant do anything against his telepathy.

#44 Posted by FMStyyx (738 posts) - - Show Bio

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

#45 Posted by Saren (25056 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid's most powerful incarnation should win.

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

It will get you more raised eyebrows than hate considering this is a fairly ridiculous point to put forward.

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#46 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

Its not about Omega-beams (that wont help Darkseid). Sidious controlled billions on Byss and he wiped out memories of billions of people on Coruscant. Darkseid will become his slave after just looking at him. The end.

#47 Posted by FMStyyx (738 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Darkseid's most powerful incarnation should win.

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

It will get you more raised eyebrows than hate considering this is a fairly ridiculous point to put forward.

:/ ive never really seen darksied use anything else but his omega beams/omega affect

@Jedisupermaster said:

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

Its not about Omega-beams (that wont help Darkseid). Sidious controlled billions on Byss and he wiped out memories of billions of people on Coruscant. Darkseid will become his slave after just looking at him. The end.

i wish lucas would quit holding out on new star wars movies and just let them make them (take our money da*nmit) also i want a good star wars game.. and the entire star wars universe on in a animated style that didnt suck..

#48 Edited by Saren (25056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jedisupermaster said:

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

Its not about Omega-beams (that wont help Darkseid). Sidious controlled billions on Byss and he wiped out memories of billions of people on Coruscant. Darkseid will become his slave after just looking at him. The end.

Darkseid resisted the telepathy of Mr. Miracle when he was the living embodiment of the Anti-Life Equation. It froze his body still but his mind refused to be controlled. On top of that, Martian Manhunter has said that his chances of beating Darkseid were basically nil. The Omega Beams will help Darkseid just fine considering Sidious is not durable enough to just tank them, and as for his spirit escaping Darkseid has beaten someone with a similar ability: Cyborg Superman. He used the Omega Beams to trap Henshaw in a golden ball, preventing his consciousness from escaping and finding a new body. A similar tactic could be employed here.

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#49 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Jedisupermaster said:

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

Its not about Omega-beams (that wont help Darkseid). Sidious controlled billions on Byss and he wiped out memories of billions of people on Coruscant. Darkseid will become his slave after just looking at him. The end.

Darkseid resisted the telepathy of Mr. Miracle when he was the living embodiment of the Anti-Life Equation. It froze his body still but his mind refused to be controlled. On top of that, Martian Manhunter has said that his chances of beating Darkseid were basically nil. The Omega Beams will help Sidious just fine considering he's not durable enough to just tank them, and as for his spirit escaping Darkseid has beaten someone with a similar ability: Cyborg Superman. He used the Omega Beams to trap Henshaw in a golden ball, preventing his consciousness from escaping and finding a new body. A similar tactic could be employed here.

What telepathic feats Mr Miracle has? I highly doubt MMs telepathy is more powerfull then Sidious telepathy. Cyborg Superman can rise again and again, yes. But come on - Sidious is the living inbalance of the Force in the whole galaxy. His spirit survived Force Garmony that stripped him from the Force and Force Storm that can rip reality apart. He was a black hole in the Force. he was a Dark Side Nexus by himself. He made one of the most powerfull Dark Side nexuses in the whole galaxy using his powers (planet Byss). I think his essence (not a simple spirit, you know) is too tough for Darkseid to handle. And his telepathy feats... Only the most powerfull incarnation of Darkseid (Pre-Crisis) has telepathy feats that are close to those of Sidious (he controlled 3 million daxamites, DAXAMITES).

P. S. Sorry for bad english.

#50 Edited by Saren (25056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jedisupermaster said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Jedisupermaster said:

@FMStyyx said:

well this may get me alot of hate but batman was the first to dodge the omega beams (then everyone started doing that) but if bats can dodge it so can palpatine

Its not about Omega-beams (that wont help Darkseid). Sidious controlled billions on Byss and he wiped out memories of billions of people on Coruscant. Darkseid will become his slave after just looking at him. The end.

Darkseid resisted the telepathy of Mr. Miracle when he was the living embodiment of the Anti-Life Equation. It froze his body still but his mind refused to be controlled. On top of that, Martian Manhunter has said that his chances of beating Darkseid were basically nil. The Omega Beams will help Sidious just fine considering he's not durable enough to just tank them, and as for his spirit escaping Darkseid has beaten someone with a similar ability: Cyborg Superman. He used the Omega Beams to trap Henshaw in a golden ball, preventing his consciousness from escaping and finding a new body. A similar tactic could be employed here.

What telepathic feats Mr Miracle has? I highly doubt MMs telepathy is more powerfull then Sidious telepathy. Cyborg Superman can rise again and again, yes. But come on - Sidious is the living inbalance of the Force in the whole galaxy. His spirit survived Force Garmony that stripped him from the Force and Force Storm that can rip reality apart. He was a black hole in the Force. he was a Dark Side Nexus by himself. He made one of the most powerfull Dark Side nexuses in the whole galaxy using his powers (planet Byss). I think his essence (not a simple spirit, you know) is too tough for Darkseid to handle. And his telepathy feats... Only the most powerfull incarnation of Darkseid (Pre-Crisis) has telepathy feats that are close to those of Sidious (he controlled 3 million daxamites, DAXAMITES).

P. S. Sorry for bad english.

You're not reading. Miracle at the time was the embodiment of the Anti-Life Equation. That allows mind-control on a vast, nearly universal scale, Cain was able to corrupt the Spectre with the ALE (albeit Spectre was weakened at the time due to the Spear of Destiny). The most powerful incarnation of Darkseid is Soulfire Darkseid, and given that he was able to defeat the Source in a one-on-one encounter (the Source being powerful enough to dictate terms to the Spectre about who he can and cannot kill), I think that version can handle Sidious just fine.

Oh, and it was 3 billion daxamites.

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