Darth Revan vs Starkiller

@darthant66: I was referring to Weather Storms, which are different.

@dinofreak6301: It's funny how people argue what's canon when neither one was canon to begin with. Secondly...No. Yoda himself saw the potential in Starkiller, that would put him FAR ABOVE BEN KENOBI. Sidiuos himself seen Starkiller as a future threat, that would put him on par with Anakin. Sidious doesn't see everyone as a threat, he usually be littles them and tells them how they basically never had a chance. Yet he seen Starkiller as a potential threat and made that clear the minute he first met him. Sidious seen the potential of Starkiller, Sidious does not allow weaklings to be his Apprentice, Ex. Darth Maul, Dooku, Anakin, Vader, Luke all supremely powerful and few could clash with them and live to tell the tale. Just because you don't like Starkiller, doesn't DEPOWER Starkiller which is what Starkiller haters usually try to do. The Man performed every force ability that Palpatie himself performed at a lesser exstent, he was literally the opposite of Luke. He was based off Luke, made to rival Lukes power. He most likely would have became as powerful as Sidious and slightly under Luke.

Even in a spin off he defeated Young Luke and out dueled him, someone who OUT DUELED PALAPATINE. He tanked force lightning from Sidious and moved forward. He was trained by Vader to I quote "Be able to defeat any enemy that comes against him except me" Meaning he was trained to win against everyone, Vader was the only person to know his weakness, and everyone Starkiller fought. LOST TO HIM, he starts off struggling because he's getting used to real combat fresh out of training, then he defeats masters Veterans, and even his own master. This is all before he duel wields 2 lightsabers, just letting you know. So even with the handicap of Vader knowing his training he still wins. Look at that. He tanks what Vader can't tank full force lightning from Sidious threw the entire body in close range something that incernerates troopers like parchment. Mace couldn't handle it, he flew out the window it left him stuck in his tracks, Luke couldn't handle it left him with long term damage while begging for his fathers help, Yoda could handle it and that's because he can repel it. Yet he walks into it like a boss, COME ON WITH THE DISCREDIT. You eventually become ridiculous.

The creators even said this COME ON MAN.

This is annoying.

besides this guy said it best.

@liquidnazo:

Thanks man!!

My idea is that they were is 2 separate universes of starwars. I believe REVAN wins because he was one of the best ever in his universe. Star killer was in a universe that allowed all force users to be super powered. The stuff he did was done by Vader. If you put REVAN in his universe he would also get the super force and dominate armies. Star killer ended up being a no name never heard of while REVAN set his name in legend with more knowledgable force users. Another huge thing to me is the cunning. In the same universe REVAN wins because he is not too head strong and is a master tactician. Star killer would run in and get set in a trap placed by REVAN most likely. If they were kept in their own universes and battled then of course star killer would win because his force would be so much more powerful and he would literally crush him. But I don't think they could meet without being in one of the universes together having a same basis in power and then REVAN wins from experience and knowledge along with cunning

Well, a lot of Marek's battles end up being lightsaber duels. Revan is just as - if not more skilled than Starkiller with a lightsaber. Revan has defeated more notable opponents, the main one being Darth Malak, who certainly is no push-over. Marek has defeated Vader, but the reason being was because Vader highly underestimated him, wasn't using his full potential, and was nowhere near his prime yet (plus, he was also giving Starkiller a very hard time). Revan could also be faster than Starkiller. I know he's created after-images with his lightsaber; not sure about Starkiller's speed feats. Revan should beat Starkiller in a lightsaber only duel.

Now, for the Force, Revan knows Tutanamis, which he could use to absorb / deflect Marek's lightning (if he doesn't have his lightsaber out). Revan was also a strong telekinetic, pulling down asteroids from space and pulling a large steel door (I believe) right off its hinges. Marek has altered the movement of a Star Destroyer, and grabbed Tie-Fighters mid air. It's close, but I'd give Marek a slight telekinetic advantage. Revan is able to crush organs, and use Force Choke, I'm not sure if Galen can use these powers however. All in all, I might give a slight edge to Marek in the Force, for having more useful offensive Force powers.

Revan was an expert tactition and a very intelligent fighter. In his fight vs Marek, he could expose his weaknesses, wait for Galen to make a mistake, and capitalize on it. Overall, this is a pretty close fight, but I would see Revan taking it 7/10, since most of Starkiller's fights have revolved around lightsaber duels.

Darth Revan has no speed feats, to memory.

@shootingnova: I'm pretty sure he's created after images, in a photo I saw. But I dunno

What speed feats does Marek have?

Plus you have to realize the guy just came out of training and was mainly used to fighting one style. Then when he got to Vader he started off losing and the second fight he owned him like he was nothing. After that he was not losing anymore fights unless it was against Sidious of Vader himself. That much was clear. That's like me just playing a brand new game for the first time that you've been playing for years, and you expect me to be an expert at it. If you're not owning me in this game in less then 5mins that must mean I'm pretty decent for my first time, If I'm even holding a candle to you in battle that says a lot. So when I actually get good and I began to thrash people that's BETTER Then you...*cough* Vader and then hold up against someone that's stronger then him, WHILE I BARELY CAME OUT OF TRAINING AND DELT WITH REAL WORLD FIGHTS. Then I can say he's not that bad. But completely taking away a guys power and down playing him is just disrespectful to the character, to the people that like the character, and for the people that probably care less that he's a character but acknowledge his powers. Be honest not biased.

Starkiller won this battle long ago, Even when I was debating the person that DO NOT LIKE THE CHARACTER, and DOWN GRADES HIM ALOT BECAUSE HE HAS PURE HATRAD TOWARDS THIS GUY. He still agreed Revan loses to him.

First off Revan can't handle Darth Vader, I think he can be beaten by Darth Malgus, and Darth Vitiate had him screaming in Agony from just 1 bult of lightning he was on his knees. Starkiller took the most powerful lightning known in Starwars history NEXT TO GRANDMASTER LUKE AND ABELOTH. And I still think Sidious lightning is more powerful then any lightning Luke can conjure up in a nutshell and I do mean Grandmaster Luke. I even wonder if Sidious lightning is stronger then Abeloth's and SHE'S A POWERHOUSE "deity" in Starwars. So that alone trumps that, second Starkiller performed just about every feat Sidious performed to a lesser exstent at a very young age. He performed some feats Luke performed with Luke being slightly greater in a dueling sense at the time...actually Luke was the better duelist. But Starkiller was not a bad duelist like people would like to put out.

Next Starkiller's RAW FORCE is higher the Darth Revans. The things that he can do, a lot of other Jedi can't do some people use the excuse that he just violently uses the force. No the dude just HAS A LOT OF FORCE IN HIM. When he can't when in a duel he always out force blitz someone, meaning he just has a lot of force. He's Raw Power, that's what when the creators made him they said "We are going to show the RAW POWER OF THE FORCE". The Guy is very powerful, young naive....he should be a padawan if anything for how young he is. But No he's on a master level.

Holding up against Sidious lightning alone shows the difference between the 2 in power.

One is Far more potent in the Force, and to survive lightning directly from the guy labeled "The Darkside of the Force Incarnate" I believe something like that. Long enough while walking forward feeling your just explode like a thousand suns to the point the lightning explodes AT POINT BLANK RANGE.

Says more about Starkiller then Revan who was shocked by the Emperor by a light dose and was left begging on his knees and he wasn't even in point blank range. Close to him, he was some distance away. Not only that but he was on his knees multiple times until someone saved his life each time.

I'm not even saying this because I like Revan more unlike some people. I'm saying this because it's just true. We should speak truth in a debate, an honest mistake is an honest mistake but just making up things shouldn't be excused. Unless you're joking of course.

@nikladner:

That is so not true at all. General Kota was weak in Forced Unleash.

Actually a lot of people were weak in forced Unleashed he was one of the most powerful people around in forced Unleashed. The other people who were powerful was Vader, and Sidious really. No onelse was really that powerful in that Universe. NO ONE AT ALL. Like literally a lot of people were weak. That says a lot about him in general.

Darth Revan would win with tactics and experience, Starkiller is super powerful in the force - that's true, but in a similar setting Revan would out-class him, I think he is also a stronger dueller.

@bruxae: H NO. Outclass..? WOW...This fight is way closer then either of them outclassing one another. I don't even think Starkiller can outclass Revan in this, as far as who's deadlier. Starkiller stating the facts. We can even go back to there greatest feats.

Starkiller fell from orbit and crashed a ship into a planet (I consider it to be the real Starkiller). Starkiller pulled a Star Destroyer out of the sky. (was not all ready falling his force tugged on it for so long the engines blew out and he began to guide it down). He became a human outlit for electricity and amplified his lightning to I believe Near Sidious level but still a great deal lower but higher then most other sith. Actually his Cannon wise he has the strongest lightning other then Sidious, only lightning stronger then his and this is proven is Sidious. He has so many different uses for sith lightning for him it's like working with play doe. Took lightning to the chest by Sidious and walked forward, literally managing to do a beam struggle and push some of his lightning back and this is in the comics and the game story so there's no ruling this out as a weak feat at all. THIS RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY RULES OUT HIM BEING ANY TERRIBLE JEDI or Sith. Anyone taking on lightning from Sidious is powerful never weak. The people he's fought would die in a heart beat. Luke himself LUKE was begging for his father in agony...the most power Jedi to have EVER LIVED, the jedi who would face ABELOTH. Luke even said years later that lightning still effected him. To simply walk through it is one of the biggest feats in Starwars history PERIOD. Even if you hate the character. Vader has an armored suit he should still be able to walk while his organs are getting fried, power circuits would help that even after they over loaded he's still a tank. What's your excuse for Starkiller..? Completely HUMAN.

Revan is more Hype then feats. Starkiller is more feats then Hype. People just hate his feats because he defeated there favorite icon Vader and went on the beat his master. (Even though I don't count it as an all the way win sense he didn't have a lightsaber but none the less he won) Other then that. People don't realize the novel was baste off the game not vice/versa. And there's enough cinema in the game to put the pieces together of what REALY happened that the novel doesn't show which the novel only shows part of. Vader having debre dropped on him and losing the fight that easily. Happens in the game cinema. Vader pimp smacking Starkiller while he's unfocused, happens in the game cinema real time michanes button pressing. It feels in the blanks so you can't say the novel is over the game, like it's just a game with out a proper story. Because even in the game there's certain ways just like button mashes that you have to play the exact same way each time in the story. That way you know that's EXCALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE STORY.

Comparing Revan to Starkiller is like comparing Bardock to Goku.

Yes, Bardock is cooler. Yes he defeated an army of nobodies. Yes he defeated 5 elite warriors.

BUT ALL THESE GUYS ARE FEATLESS. Then when he faces someone who actually has feats...I don't know you know the ruler of the Universe Freeza *cough* (Emperor Vitiate)

He gets owned...badly. While in Revans case...continuously back to back ownage...from the same lightning. He was brought on his knees atleast 4 times by lightning that's just bad.

So even though Revan fought the Mandalorians, who's leftover warriors work for *cough* Sidious and he defeated these so called super powerful masters who were *cough* featless. He comes up against someone with feats and who is a real somebody and gets smashed *cough* senseless.

Revan is more hype then feats. You hardly see his feats. Vader has feats, Shaak Ti has feats and that's who I think Revan should go against. Sidious has Feats, Mace has feats, Starkillers entire story is based off feats.

Give me something from Revan with people we know has feats.

All of Marek's fights have been decided by lightsaber duels. I don't see why this one shouldn't either, and he isn't beating Revan, someone who is clearly much smarter and more skilled than him, in a duel.

@liquidnazo: Opinions change. Most of experts here now agree he beats Starkiller.

@_raptor_: He appeared to be faster than Vader, which is better than Revan.

@liquidnazo: Yeah, not even gonna read a reply that starts with "HAHAHA", try not to act like an obnoxious kid if you want a proper debate - or any respect from people whatsoever.

@bruxae:

I really didn't say anything offensive to you in that comment.

what these guys said. I honestly don't get where the idea of this superior duelist comes in at. Can someone give me actual dueling feats from someone with feats. The only person at that time with decent dueling feats is darth Malgus and Revan didn't even fight him. I honestly think Malgus would probably wipe the floor with him at that time. He seemed like the only person able to rival Revan in that scene.

@liquidnazo: The only person Starkiller actually beat who had feats was Vader, yet it's already been established Vader was nowhere near his prime and also underestimated Galen. Revan has defeated Malak, someone who is certainly no push-over, go read Nova's respect thread on him. He also defeated Mandalore the Ultimate, when he was nowhere near his prime yet. This is Revan in his prime, so he would've gotten even better at dueling since then, and also gotten better with the Force.

@shootingnova: that was Vader between Episodes 3 and 4, so he would definitely not have gotten totally used to his suit yet. Starkiller being faster than someone like Vader during that time doesn't mean much

I think Starkiller actually.

Jmarshmallow

@_raptor_:

Malak is featless. Starkiller defeated Shaak Ti, Starkiller defeated a guy who used an entire army of driods to hold back the empire, this guy was said to make up for the skills he lacked with droids parts and he took down armys. Starkiller has more feats then Revan. Malak is featless who's power do we have his to compare to..? plus were talking about a guy who needed to fight Revan with amps yet Malgus needed no amps and he's on par with Vader which further shows that Revan isn't all he's lead to be.

Imean the statement. "Malak, someone who is certainly no push-over" is pretty bold, maybe in his time he was no push-over but what powers do we compare it to..? Starkiller can be compared to Vader. You can say Vader wasn't in his prime but Starkiller was still young, Vader was closer to his prime then not. He had YEARS of experience on Starkiller so the whole issue of he was not in his prime isn't really worth using in an argument. Starkiller never made it to his full potential, comparing someone who lived years later and saying "oh he wasn't in his prime" is a pretty cheap argument. We are not comparing time lines. THAT VERSION of Vader could beat Revan without being in his prime. Darth Maul can out duel Revan, he out dueled Vader before his prime. Come on be forreal.

The Mandalor are left over remnants of the old army Sedious converted them into his army and they aren't even that special compared to the clones.

So again I ask what are we comparing here..? Saying Malak wasn't a push over is bold maybe in the past he wasn't but compare him to tiers like Starkiller, Vader, Sidious, Even Vitiate..He had no chance.

It's also funny how you say Darth Vader underestimated Starkiller, when Darth Malak admitted he underestimated Revan. Which is a double standard and mute argument. Now you tell me what can we compare Mandalore the Ultimate to..? what feats. What is so great about Mandalore the Ultimate?

He took over places that were already weak and defenseless, He attacked army's that had no plans of really attacking back and by the time they became serious which was almost to late. Revan took him down. He's featless, he's nothing really. Just about any serious Jedi from the current series alone could take him down, judging by how he went down actually. Shaak Ti, Bane, STARKILLER, Vader, Sidious, Vitiate, Malgus, Exar Kun, Luke, Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Asoka, Obi Wan, Dooku, Jinn anyone who's even slightly a big deal slightly lower then Shaak Ti and she's terribly weak compared to everyone on here I mentioned can pretty much take him down. So there's no point in bringing him up.

How many people you know can beat Vader even before his Prime..? NOT MANY.

@_raptor_:

Yes he would have....He had 20 years to get used to his suit, before finding Starkiller who was probably 5 he was mopping the floor with Jedi masters. 20 years later Starkiller is older, that's more then enough time to get used to a suit. You can have a stroke and get used to your body in 5yrs. Come onn that's the lamest excuse I heard.

@liquidnazo: Starkiller never beated impressive opponent. He beated mediocre Jedi and then non Prime Vader under circumstances. Revan could do that too.

@penderor: Mybad bro, I feel like such a dick. You're probably right.

@liquidnazo: You mean it seriously or trolling me.

@liquidnazo: I'll respond to that ridiculously idiotic hypocritical post later.

@liquidnazo: Name some feats then that Vader had before fighting Starkiller, and after episode 3. Also, Malak is not featless. Like I said, go check out his respect thread, quit ignoring like a child

@penderor:

No I really do mean it. Unlike most people here I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.

@_raptor_:

How about sense we are debating you present the feats. Vader took out an entire planet that's 1. Which is where Starkiller's father stayed a Jedi master, and then he proceeded to taking down Starkillers father... Prior to that he killed reborn Maul. He has a lot of feats before he's fought Starkiller and again even before his prime, there were not many people who could touch Vader in a duel.

Bring me feats. You give me feats...everything he's basically done he's done it with Revan. Vs Vader who took down a planet of soilders at that time. Vader was slaughtering scores of Jedi around that time, this is shown by the many people that know and fear Vader even before he's revealed. Meaning around that time he was still Slaughtering Jedi. Vader was hunting down the remainder Jedi.

What does Malak do...I am well versed in Malak so you can't really make up anything around me tell me what does he do exactly..? That counts as supreme feats. Something that's a threat to Vader...because it has to come atleast close to a threat to Vader to be relevant as a threat to Starkiller. It has to come as a reasonable threat to Vititiate and a reasonable threat to Revan because last I remember when they fought Revan was not to concerned then he left to get owned by Vitiate. Multiple times with backup. While Starkiller is a lone wolf soldier taking down army's and taking down Jedi. Mind you what people don't mention is that Shaak Ti had help while fighting Starkiller, she also had help FROM A PLANET MONSTER.

Actually, it does, because at that time, Vader has already moved faster than Jedi could see.

@liquidnazo: You wanna talk about featless, then tell me Vader killed countless Jedi? HAHAHAHHAHA; no. Weren't all of those people uhh what's the word? Featless? Well, Revan has slaughtered waves and waves and waves of Dark Jedi, Sith Troopers, and Droids, on his way to fight Malak. Malak is the one who ordered the destruction of Taris, which had billions of people living on it, who were killed. So by your logic of Vader taking out an entire planet (LOLOOL), Malak is at least 10x stronger than Vader. And Revan is the one who beat Malak, even while he was amped.

Why are you still saying Malak is featless, then claiming you know just about everything about him? You obviously don't then. Now, if you would've actually searched up his respect thread like I told you to, I wouldn't be telling you all of this right now. But since you seem to be in the typical troll-type of mood, I'll do the research for you. Malak's feats include: being considered very powerful by several other powerful people, putting Revan into a telekinetic whirlwind, choking two Jedi Knights at the same time, and walking away with them still in his grip until they dropped dead, hurling someone hundreds of feet across the Senate building, killing a Jedi Knight via lightsaber throw, holding two doors locked via telekinesis at the same time, stated to be masterful at Force Whirlwind (a type of telekinesis), stated to be proficient at both Force Scream and Force Slam, stated to be more powerful than Revan with a lightsaber, holding his own against Revan, defeating a slightly weakened Revan aboard the Leviathan, stomping Bastila Shan at one-on-one combat, having his combat abilities compared to Revan's genius tactical mind, moving his lightsaber in blurs to deflect torrents of blaster bolts (a couple times), putting Revan into a Stasis Field, stated to be masterful at Force Drain (also demonstrated by him using this power aboard the Star Forge), can use Drain from a star system's distance, one-shotting Jedi knights with lightning, stated to be proficient with Force lightning, ability to use Force Immunity which makes him immune from nearly every offensive Force Power, is stated to be proficient with Force Resistance and Force Rage and Dark Healing and Force Slow, also is knowledgeable about Sith Sorcery.

As for durability, he has survived his jaw being sliced off (by Revan by the way), is able to withstand extreme amounts of pain and torture, able to withstand a lightsaber being thrown at him, put his hands through fire and shown no pain, shrugged off punches, and survived a hit from Mandalore the Ultimate's giant battle axe.

As for physical attributes, has thrown a mandalorian onto the ground and choked him, and had to be held back by two Jedi Knights while enraged. He uses a one-handed variant lightsaber form of Juyo, which is considered to be the most physical, aggressive, and demanding lightsaber form.

Yeah, featless, right? And this is the guy who Revan defeated, even while he was amped. And that was just one of Revan's skill feats. All that effort just to convince you about one guy, jesus -_-

Now, should I tell you to go check out a Revan respect thread, or shall I make another post like this one? ;)

How do you know Starkiller was faster than Vader at that time? Because if you mean its because of how the fight went down in-game, that doesn't count, because those are just simple game mechanics. Has Starkiller got any feats to prove he's at the speed of Vader, besides contending with him? Even so, Revan has created blurs with his lightsaber. Lightsaber movement speed =/= reaction time speed.

Anyways, this is just speed we're talking about. It shouldn't play much of a factor in this matchup

@_raptor_: Not sure why you assumed that my only source was game mechanics. Marek being described by the novel as dancing around Vader's defenses, and his speed being used by the author as a direct analogy to Vader's strength, both indicate clearly that he was faster than Vader was.

Darth Revan never performed those showings, unless this is Revan in it's prime, and even then, Revan has better speed feats. Moving in a blur is nothing special, given how often average Jedi could do the same. Dooku performed the same feat at thirteen years of age. Anakin exceeded the feat at nine years of age. Not sure why it seems so impressive to you.

@shootingnova: I never assumed your only source were game mechanics, nor did I say I thought it was impressive. Between Episode 3 and the events of TFU, what exclusive speed feats does Vader have?

And like I said, we're just talking about speed, which would pretty much be a non-factor in this fight anyways.

Revan

@_raptor_: I read it as an implication in your post, since you brought up game mechanics exclusively. If not, then so be it.

And I have every reason to think that you thought Revan's feat was impressive. He has better showings, yet you chose to list that one, which you seemingly believed would match or outweigh Vader's or Galen's showings. If not, then why bring it up?

I just told you that Vader has killed Roan Lands faster than Ferus Olin could see (Secret Weapon), and Ferus is almost as fast as Obi-Wan (Dark Warning). In fact, given how Ferus became re-accustomed to the ways of the Force and so on afterDark Warning more than anything else, it's probable that his speed increased in that time, as well. And for the record, Ferus described Vader as faster than any Jedi he had ever seen except for Yoda, and he has certainly seen at least Obi-Wan fight before.

Speed is consequential if the disparity is noticeable.

@shootingnova: Revan has better speed feats than the one I listed? I just listed it as a speed feat for him I could think of off the top of my head.

Whatever, in my opinion, all in all, Revan takes this 7 / 10. Like DCcomics said, Revan is the better duelist, possibly more powerful force user, and a much smarter fighter. I'm too tired to debate right at this moment

@_raptor_: Darth Revan has shown nothing to me that indicates he is more powerful. Revan at the peak of his power, perhaps, but not as a Sith Lord. For skill, I'm not sure, probably. He is slower and less powerful, but his skill and precognitive traits could make up for that.

And yes, he has better speed feats. His entire battle with Vitiate taking place within only a few seconds is a good feat.

Malak has never shown anything close to Drain across a star system's distance, which is just ridiculous. Virtually nobody has shown that power, except for perhaps Palpatine and Nihilus, who undoubtedly both outclass Malak severely. Malak has never even displayed Drain except whilst amped and even then, he only displayed it on helpless beings placed in machines specifically designed to draw out their life energies, IIRC.

But I do agree that Malak has other power showings that would disprove the notion of being featless.

@shootingnova: The OP States this is Revan after the end of KotOR, so when he came back during his prime around the events of the novel, he will have all the same powers. This isn't Darth Revan.

@shootingnova: It was stated in the official KotOR handbook that Malak has the ability to use drain across those distances.

@liquidnazo: Ok then. Look Galen is worse duelist and has much lesser Force arsenal. His raw power can take him wins but not for majority.

@_raptor_: Where did the OP claim it was after KotOR? He only said Revan was the main character in KotOR, which is just backstory.

If it is, I might change my position.

You mean the KotORCG? That only stated he knew nonexistent powers which were "Devastating Power" and "Distant Power", which sound more like game mechanics than anything else. I agree that some of the powers indicated by the sourcebook are real, but this was never elucidated upon, really, and Malak is obviously not able to do any of this as per his own showings. He has never even displayed Drain on living targets, even whilst amplified (which is the one instance of him displaying Drain). In fact, it was perfectly reasonable for him to utilize it on Revan, who has no proven or implied defenses against Drain, but evidently, that didn't occur.

If Malak needed to be amped just to utilize Drain on half-dead targets suspended in machines specifically designed to draw out their life energies and channel it to him to begin with, nothing indicates he could utilize Drain across entire Star Systems. Even more powerful, knowledgeable and masterful Force-users, such as Bane, have difficulty even utilizing the power to begin with, let alone across such ridiculously laughable distances.

It's really the same as bringing up The Jedi Academy Training Manual, which is a similar breed of sourcebook as the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide (both were Saga edition sourcebooks by Wizards of the Coast) stating that Palpatine didn't believe in the light or dark sides.

This, and everything that goes with it.

@penderor:

Revan can't hold up against Vader...He can't handle Vitiate..Starkiller has some of the most powerful lightning in Starwars history. Surpassed only by Sidious. Especially do to his showings, and that's because Sidious is a powerhouse, he's basically a Demi-Abeloth. Revan went down to lightning...easily..sad..like Pathetic and that's by darth Vitiate.

Another thing...Vitiate needed rituals and trinkets which takes time to accomplish most of his feats. He didn't need any amps to do what he did to Revan and Starkillers powers comes directly from him. With this guy not really having any knowledge of the force besides...fight and basically use the force. Vader didn't teach him to much because he would become TO dangerous. I believe I was stated in the novel somewhere about Vader trained him enough to where he can exploit his weaknesses.

Starkillers lightning turns troopers to ash...Maybe not to the level of Sidious but it's not far from it that's why he's the only person who managed to beam struggle lightning with him without having any knowledge force lightning deflection like yoda or Obi Wan. His lightning was just vastly powerful in itself, his lightning is the only lightning to Rival Palpatine's while Sidious lightning still being top dog.

Now Revan can't even take lightning from Vitiate without going down back....to back....to back...to back again. How can he handle lightning from Starkiller who's much more agile, who's very acrobatic, who moves around a lot and shoots lightning. Remember Vitiate didn't do to much moving or running around he just blasted you with lightning. Starkiller will have a lightsaber in one hand, while you're buissy trying to over power him you get blasted with lightning from the other and from the looks of it Revan doesn't have a defense for it.

As for the OP, Vitiate used relics, trinkets and the power of 100 Sith lords to bosst his power in order to become immortal..

Sidious did it WITHOUT any outside help, all of his own will. His lightning is also canocially the most powerful lightning in the SW universe, He is also canocially the most powerful sith lord to ever live.

There is no lightning that has canonically matched Sidious lightning except Starkiller. Not even GrandMaster Luke when he created a jedi version of force lightning.

Starkiller may not be the BEST duelist, but as far as lightning goes. He's OP.

@liquidnazo: And you have any proof that Galen Lightning is stronger than Vitiate Lightning? Its arguable that Vitiate is in terms of Force much better than Galen or Vader. He even managed to change its color to black. Also, Galen never defeated any of his Force users - opponent by overwhelming them with Lightning. Just because it burned some troopers it doesnt mean it can kill Jedi so easily.

And when we are talking about Galen is superhouse lightning then we should drag some Ace of Revans arsenal. Revan can utilize Force or Life Drain, forces against Starkiller cannot defend. As I said previously, he was superior duelist and he is in that terms far better than Kota, Paratus, Ti.

Starkiller dont have any martial arts feats and has bodybuild of 17 years old. Revan can just directly attack him, force him to close combat. In that case, Starkiller is without chance. Most of his opponents were too monotype, with basic TK attacks combined with lightsaber.

Not only that Revan uses almost same fighting style as Starkiller, but he do that better. He beated several melee combat experts and was fighting with strongest Sith of his Era. You honestly dont believe, that Vitiate would be beated by someone like Starkiller :D :D :D

Revan is basically is hardest opponent so far and I am willing to say he is even better than TFU Vader.

Okay one. Going to say this off the back. The color of your sith lightning does not explain how powerful it is. It's been stated on numerous occasions I believe even by the creator themselves. Even if it wasn't it has been proven on multiple occasions....

Starkiller has enough skill to dance around Vader who is much faster then Revan..meaning Starkiller is beyond Revans speed. Not only that Vader is just as skilled if not even more skilled then Revan is in lightsaber dueling combat, he literally trained hisself to fight people faster then him because when he gained a stiff mechanical body he had to get used to it once again. Eventually he mastered the body and became a lot faster..Faster then Obi Wan in his prime I might add which is extremely fast. If Vader skill..WHO'S TRAINED TO FIGHT PEOPLE FASTER THEN HIM. Yea I don't remember Revan being trained to fight people faster then him most of the people he faced were not faster nor on the same power scale as him. EVEN VITIATE who OWNED HIM, wasn't no where near faster then him nor did he have to use speed on him. Yet Vaders skill didn't really matter when Starkiller danced around him, what makes you think Revan's skills would..? It would just make him hold out longer but not win the fight..more like stall for time...for the indefinite defeat..because I don't even think he can escape that fight.

What makes me think Starkillers lightning is more powerful then Vitiates... Well despite him Vaporizing and turning a dozen troopers to ash with his lightning, (which is really hard to do even if you're a master Sith who's trained your entire life with force lightning) using his entire body as a electric conductor, Shocking a living planet unconscious. I think it's extremely safe to say that his lightning is far supperior to Vitiates lightning even with Vitiates amps and trinkets. Which would put Vitiate even further above Revan...

Not only that Starkiller has performed Force Storm to a lesser extent a EXTREMELY lesser extent then Sidious but that alone is a BIG FEAT without amp and that caused him to take out a living planet. His wasn't exactly like a wormhole but it brung forth a storm of lightning. He's actually done everything Sidious has done at such a young age just weaker version, he probably missed probably 2 of his technique's. This is without amps. In order for Vitiate to perform half the feats Starkiller has done, he would need years worth of prep time, a few amulets, and a few trinkets. He would need many more Years to do what Sidious does and probably Naga's ship technology. While sidious just need his mind. Another reason why I say he's more powerful, he DID A LIGHTNING BEAM STRUGGLE WITH SIDIOUS. Vitiate would die..

Another thing Starkiller can change the color of his lightning to.....he has changed it to purple and to blue, I think one time red. Don't quote me on the last one I know he changes the color though. Neither is more powerful then the other. In what way or proof you have that Revan uses the same type of style as Starkiller and better..? Starkiller actually has multiple fighting styles a few that are unique to him that only he himself uses. Like you would really have to show me something on this. If we are to label Revans powers he's actually quite weak if you count the fact that he faced Malak..who in turn needed amps and even with the amps and mulitple clones of himself he could barely utilize force drain. Yet that was supposed to be a big game changing fight for him there...which tells me a lot about his powers.

...You have no evidence supporting that Starkiller cannot defend against force drain. Because apparently there's a lot of technique's he was not thought he just learns out of the blue. Simple and easy, when the time is necessary, Revan also didn't utilize force drain very well you also have to be stronger then the person you're using it on..stronger in the force anyway. I believe there was another Sith that explained how difficult it was to use force drain especially on people who are powerful in the force. It's not something you just throw out there and use, and I think he had an amp when he used it and Bane > Revan. So it's not something he's going to just throw out there, I don't remember anyone utilizing it without some type of Deformity besides Nihilus and Sidious and Sidious did it better then Nihilus.

I wonder where Starkiller doesn't have any martial art's feats comes from..? Anakin..Vader knew martial arts at a young age. Starkiller pure acrobatics makes him naturally talented at martial arts. Even with all that speed he would need some sort of martial arts skills to begin to handle Vader. Who in himself was raised with Jedi martial art's skills....dude martial arts even involves dealing with a saber he would need a great amount of skill in it to wield it competently. He was also raised by Vader like his son...he would teach him martial arts after he abused him everyday..during training. A kid fighting against Vader with no martial arts skills or talent..would be suicide.

You said starkiller never used lightning to defeat...a Jedi.........HE USED LIGHTNING TO ELECTROCUTE A RANCOR UNCONSCIOUS. He electrocuted Shaak Ti into submission. A lot of his fights involved lightning. Like what are you saying exactly..? A Rancor's body is much tougher then a Jedi's body....I take that back HE KILLED it with lightning. Enough doses of his lightning will kill you, he stops..you live. If he keeps going you die. Vitiate could have killed Revan...plenty of times you saying just because he was interupted his lightning couldn't kill him..? Sidious electicute people with lightning and chooses not to kill them all the time just to torture..? you're telling me...HE CAN'T KILL THEM..? When Grandmaster Luke talked about how dangerous his lightning was..? The most powerful Jedi to have ever lived..?

Last comment... Revan isn't near Vader... Not even in forced unleashed. Revan would easily get out duel'ed by Maul.

Come on man your logic.