Darth Maul Vs. Jacen and Jaina Solo

Round 1: TPM Darth Maul Vs. NJO Jacen and Jaina. The Solo twins confront Maul at Theed instead of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

Round 2: Clone Wars Darth Maul and Savage Opress Vs. NJO Jacen and Jaina Solo. Fight takes place on the ship Maul and Savage fought Obi-Wan and Ventress in in "Revenge"

Round 3: Same as Round 2 except the setting is Florum

Round 4: Same as Round 3 except its LotF Jacen and Jaina. Jacen is NOT Darth Caedus, has not done any of his evil actions towards becoming a Sith Lord yet, and cannot use his "teleport items" ability. Basically Jacen Solo very early in LotF, c. "Betrayal".

EDIT: Additional Round: Same as Round 4 except it is now LotF Jacen in-between "Betrayal" and becoming Darth Caedus.

Who wins?

Versus

@JediXMan: Feats for LotF Jaina and Pre-Caedus Jacen? I was always told that Jaina's victory over Caedus was PIS. CW Maul and Savage I would put above or roughly on the same level of Mace Windu, Obi-Wan, and Kit Fisto, all of whom I view as superior to the pre-Caedus Solo twins. I don't see them stomping.

Personally, I'd give Round 1 to Maul, but it go either way. I do think that at least one of the Solo twins dies either way though.

Team 2

Team 1

Team 1

Team 2 in a stomp. Jacen could disarm team 1 without moving.

@guttridgeb said:

Team 2 in a stomp. Jacen disarm team 1 without moving.

How does he accomplish this exactly? I still haven't gotten any feats for LotF Jaina and pre-Caedus Jacen aside from Jaina's killing Caedus, which I was told was PIS.

@shroudofsorrow: he can teleport things using the Force, its a skill taught to him by the Aing-Tii

@guttridgeb: Does he ever use this skill as Darth Caedus? And if so, why didn't he use it in his fights against Mara Jade and his sister?

@shroudofsorrow: To make the story more interesting. I can't recall him using it as Caedus but it has been a while since I read the Legacy of the Force books so I can't say for sure.

@guttridgeb: Then that's PIS. If he has this ability, why doesn't he use it in any of his fights as Darth Caedus? And in fact, in the scuffle he and Ben Skywalker get into at the beginning of the LotF series, why doesn't he use it to teleport all of the thugs' blasters away? He doesn't. Therefore I am saying he can't use this inconsistent and overpowered ability of his.

@shroudofsorrow said:

@guttridgeb: Then that's PIS. If he has this ability, why doesn't he use it in any of his fights as Darth Caedus? And in fact, in the scuffle he and Ben Skywalker get into at the beginning of the LotF series, why doesn't he use it to teleport all of the thugs' blasters away? He doesn't. Therefore I am saying he can't use this inconsistent and overpowered ability of his.

Fair enough, he could probably still solo though.

@guttridgeb: Based on what? I believe Jacen by this point has bested Yuuzhan Vong warriors, but Maul and Savage>Vong warriors. What are Jacen's lightsaber feats as of this point in time?

@shroudofsorrow: This was after he went on the journey to discover as much as he could in the applications of the Force. Another technique he learned from the Aing-Tii was flow walking which essentially allows him to know the exact move his opponent is going to use next. Light side LotF Jacen was almost as powerful as Dark side.

@JamesKM716 said:

@guttridgeb said:

@shroudofsorrow: This was after he went on the journey to discover as much as he could in the applications of the Force. Another technique he learned from the Aing-Tii was flow walking which essentially allows him to know the exact move his opponent is going to use next. Light side LotF Jacen was almost as powerful as Dark side.

That's a little off center of FlowWalking, ain't it?

It requires lots of concentration and allows him to go into the past, not the future right?

Jysella Horn was able to use it in Omen to predict her foes' moves. I assume that it can be used to go into the past and the possible futures with more concentration the further they go.

All interesting, but this ability to predict moves obviously isn't 100% effective or he'd never lose. That said if Pre-Caedus LotF Jacen is almost as powerful as the original, then yes, I can see the Solo twins winning the last round, but not easily.

@JamesKM716 said:

that depends on the Yuuzhan Vong warrior. Slayers could potentially kill Maul and Savage

Potentially. And what are the feats of Slayers? Has Jacen Solo ever defeated any?

@JediXMan: To be fair, all of that sounds like actions committed by a Jacen Solo who is already turning to the Dark Side. I was kind of thinking of "still Light Side" LotF Jacen Solo when I made that thread. Whoops.

@JediXMan: Ah. OK then. Time to edit this again...

@ShootingNova: I do: because seeing Luke in such an invincible form is just too much fun. Sure, it means he can't be put in believable danger, but that's OK. He's just one character. For me, seeing Post New Republic Era Luke be so full of win is like G-d Mode in SW form.

Personally, I would have preferred it if Jaina had beaten Caedus fair and square instead of through PIS.

I actually quite liked the fact that Jaina was the one to kill Caedus. Admittedly, it would have made more sense for Luke to do it in terms of power.