@darthbane77:
If you look at Bane's saber duels in ROT it's easy to see that he didn't care about actual strategy or using his forms to their fullest, yes this was in part due to hos orbalisk armor
It was not partly because of the orbalisk armor; it was entirely because of it.
Had the Jedi enjoyed the same advantages Bane's orbalisk armor provided, their encounter would have ended long ago. Bane could shrug off otherwise lethal blows, forgoing all sense of personal safety in a reckless assault of pure offense to overwhelm her defenses.
--Rule of Two
Zannah had fought him once before, back when he was still encased in his orbalisk armor. She remembered it had been like battling a force of nature: the chitinous parasites covering his entire body had been impervious to lightsaber attacks, allowing him to attack with pure animal rage.
--Dynasty of Evil
but in every duel Bane every fought he almost never had the advantage from the start, Bane simply was not highly skilled when it came to fighting other trained Force users.
Bane was initially winning against Kas'im until Kas'im started using Jar'Kai. He was winning against Rastka and Farfalla. He was even with Zannah in their final fight. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
When I said Vader really only has telekinetic abilities I meant that those are the powers he uses the most and are really the only abilities that would play a part in a duel, many of the abilities you mentioned, such as drain knowledge, require a degree of concentration, something that neither Bane nor Vader would be able to spare in a heated battle.
In most cases, TK require concentration as well. In fact, TK would be all almost useless in this fight. Neither are powerfful enough with it to impact the fight.
As for Bane's devotion to Djem So making him a poor duelist, I belive my comment stands, Djem So, from what I have seen and read, is really one of the poorest saber forms you can use, as it requires nothing more than raw power,
What sources did you read to come to that conclusion? Because it is totally false. Djem So is a lightsaber form and requires practice just like every other lightsaber form. More to the point, Bane's skill with Djem So was considerable.
He was faster than she could ever have imagined, and he was using new sequences and unfamiliar moves he had never revealed during their practice sessions. But somehow she had survived the initial flurry, and now she knew what to expect.
--Dynasty of Evil
Recognizing this, Bane backed off and changed tactics. Instead of a savage, relentless pressure meant to overwhelm her, he settled into a pattern of feints and quick thrusts, probing and prodding her defenses in search of a weakness as the two of them settled in for a long battle of attrition.
--Dynasty of Evil
His style back then had been brutish and simple, though undeniably effective. Now, however, his technique was more advanced. Unable to simply bully his way heedlessly forward, he had developed an unpredictable, seemingly random style. Each time she thought she could anticipate where the next attack was coming from, he changed tactics, disrupting the rhythm of the battle and causing her to give ground.
--Dynasty of Evil
yes Band had knowledge of Soresu, but not on a level that mattered significantly, he learned just enough to be able to fight Jedi if he had to, he didn't have an understanding of Soresu that allowed his defenses to be near impenetrable like Obi-Wan Kenobi's.
So? Obi-Wan is irrelevant. You said Bane lacked lightsaber defense. I simply corrected you.
as for Bane's lighting, I believe it would be sufficient to at least throw Vader off balance and give Bane his needed advantage, as Vader has difficulty countering lightning, it's almost killed him on several occasions, and lightning was what killed him in the end.
It would be something for Vader to look out for to be sure. I just disagree that it would be what decides the match. As I pointed out, Zannah has absorbed Bane's Lightning on her lightsaber before and Hetton (who is laughably inferior to Vader) casually dodged it.
Bane's lightning was incredibly powerful, so powerful that even the orbalisks weren't able to absorb all the dark side energy, Bane near;y killed himself and would have been reduced to ash had the orbalisks not absorbed at least some of the dark side energy.
Bane's Lightning would severely injure Vader, yes. The issue is connecting it with Vader.
While Vader was powerful, and obviously the more skilled duelist, Bane has abilities that Vader has proven he can't defend against without great effort,
I assume you mean Lightning. I covered that above. That aside, Bane has no power in his arsenal that Vader cannot repel.
but that argument is void when you pit a Sith Lord against another Sith Lord, as they both draw from the dark side.
The difference is that Bane is a dark sider from the start. Drawing on the dark side does not increase his abilities beyond the feats he already did because they were also done while drawing on the dark side. With Luke, a Jedi, the dark side increased his performance beyond what he is normally capable of. You also never responded to Vader's bloodlust. Unless you really believe Luke is perfectly capable of being even with Vader while Vader was fighting as well as he could, that simply puts Luke above Bane as well. Your whole point about Vader's fight with Luke is plagued by circumstances.
As for Bane's strength compared to Vader's, I will concede that point because I forgot Bane actually did rip a door of it's hinges, though he probably drew on the dark side heavily to do it.
Actually, Bane seemed to do it rather casually. But fair enough.
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