@noobsnowman:
I don't know how to specifically quote, so I guess you have to read my arguments in a huge slab of text.
Just divide the quotes up.
When Kas'im opened the duel with Bane, he thought that Bane would be a weak opponent and wanted to end the duel quickly. Yes, Kas'im was holding back during training, this definitely speaks to levels of skill on Bane's part.
Indeed. It also speaks that he wasn't aware of Kas'im's fighting style completely.
Also, if I remember correctly, Lehon is also a force nexus that amplified Bane's powers, though to what degree is uncertain.
It also amped Kas'im as a Dark Side Nexus amps all Dark Siders, so that renders the point moot.
Knowledge of an opponent plays sincerely more to the weaker opponent's advantage, as it would mean greater familiarity with the opponent's style, even if it was more masterfully employed.
But both had knowledge of each other; heck, Kas'im would have more knowledge of Bane as he purposefully held back a good deal of sequences and his true skill from Bane.
Many characters such as Lord Hoth and Lord Scourge have similar accolades to Kas'im.
Only their accolades come from word of mouth, and only that. Kas'im's come from objective sources, and from the highest ranking characters of that time. His praize means something. And Lord Hoth has no accolade that places him as the greatest Jedi; that'd be Raskta Lsu.
But their abilities shouldn't be blown out of proportion to the point that the person who defeated him is a really impressive fighter, because in the end, there are numerous examples when a less experienced fighter defeated a fighter who has cleaved armies in the thousands for years.
Right, and that less experienced fighter always received praize for it.
Kas'im is skilled, but how skilled is difficult to judge.
Based on his accolades/stated powers and considering the Bane who performed the Tukata feat got stomped by Kas'im(only later in PoD would he actually match him) I'd say Jinn level, ngl.
That still does not show that he is on Dooku's level, because I firmly don't believe Darth Zannah is on Dooku's league in terms of skill.
Why not? Bane's on his level, and Zannah fended him off no problem.
Dooku has held his own against Obi Wan and Anakin in Season 6,
So have Savage Opress and Asajj Ventress.
and Anakin was said to become stronger since Ahsoka left the order.
And?
He defeated Jedi killers such as General Grevious and Asajj Ventress,
And he knew their styles inside out.
and holding his own against Mace Windu at Boz Pity,
For 30 seconds.
I'm pretty sure Zannah struggled against Xaj during the battle of Tython, the only reason why she was even alive was because she was relying on Othone interfering with Xaj's movements constantly.
This is Zannah more than decade before her prime. And fighting a BattleMaster(canonically the most skilled duelists among the Jedi) amped by Battle Meditation shouldn't be considered bad feat.
Bane himself never really won a fight against a skilled opponent outside the sparring arena without external circumstances.
And neither do his enemies. There's always Battle Meditation, or the nexus amping both.
The question is, is Darth Bane the superior force wielder compared to Dooku? Most of Bane's strong showings are either when he was wearing the Orbelisk armour or when he was amplified by a Dark Side nexus.
He became more powerful in DoE, however. And he also has some good feats while off-nexus and poisoned.
Even after sustaining multiple blows that was said to be the force of a meteor strike, Dooku was able to react to openings instead of using the extra time to recuperate after being heavily taxed by Anakin's blows, taking Kenobi out of the fight. Also, Dooku augmented himself against the combined strength of Obi Wan and Anakin before that, so he was already taxed before Anakin's blows started to set in.
When Dooku deflected Kenobi's and Anakin's combined blows, they were luring him into a trap and it seemed he was dominating. Then they unleashed their real skill and Anakin kept pushing Dooku back and Dooku simply couldn't augment himself enough to keep up. As it says:
Skywalker was all over him.
The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-Skywalker was getting stronger.
Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.
Source: Revenge of the Sith novel
Also, while not fully recovered from his previous duel with Yoda, Dooku manhandled Tholme and Sora Bulq,
While not fully recovered? That was months after his duel with Yoda. Are you actually implying Dooku was exhausted for months?
the latter who was said to be Windu's peer in lightsaber combat, meaning that he has an extremely large amount of force reserves that cannot be easily taken advantage of no matter the physicality of the opponent, and even when tired he does not go down easily or fight suboptimally.
He was Mace's peer in skill, not power, therefore there's no point in bringing it up. Plus, Mace was distressed when he had to fight him, as well.
I fail to see what has 'impressing' Dooku got to do with this. During the 2003 Clone Wars series Ventress impressed Dooku by passing his tests, but when it comes to an actual fight with Dooku she was hopelessly outmatched.
She was impressed by her duels against the enemies in the arena. Anakin impressed him by dueling him.
Even after under Dooku's tutelage and becoming considerably stronger, she fought him again and was easily defeated.
Because he knew her style inside out.
When Dooku defeated Ventress in their first duel, Sidious noted that her lightsaber skills are "most impressive", yet, at no point can she ever remotely match the Dark Lord in combat. So calling someone's fighting skills impressive dosen't relate to actual fighting abilities years down the road.
Again, he's not comparing Asajj to himself. Whereas Dooku is comparing Anakin to himself and notes that that's why he's impressive.
Yet, Bane's superior strength in the force did not save him when Kas'im switched up his form, and it took years of Kas'im chanting his victory speech (exaggeration) for Bane to unleash the force wave that collasped the temple, he couldn't do it instinctively.
Due to being unfamiliar, this means nothing really. And Dooku doesn't have any new trick to show Bane as of DoE. So it's irrelevant.
So I still stand by my point that Dooku still beats Darth Bane.
He really doesn't. Less powerful, less physically capable, less augmentatively capable and more skilled, but not by that much.
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